Replacing PUA with P4P

[Kradmelder]

I wonder if the United States will ever legalize prostitution, most countries already have.

America will never legalize prostitution because America is the most vile evil cesspool of a nation in the world, and it will always support evil and oppose good. But America will degenerate and law-and-order will break down and then prostitution will become more common.

America seems to be the only place that aggressively goes after p4p and prostitution and publicises it. Most nations are content to let it exist as long as it doesn't spread into residential areas or bring in other crime. Even very Christian south africa leaves it alone until it lures Nigerian drug dealers or knock shops open in family areas. When it is confined to night life areas, not even the teetotal church ladies make a scene.

Americans go over the top about sex, most likely due to that strain of charismatic churches that love a spectacle and loud unordained charlatans taking up a cause. Jesus would probably cringe if he saw these money churches.

[jamesbond]

All moral societies in history had widely available prostitution. Morality cannot be maintained without prostitution because if this sexual outlet isn't available to single men, then they will chase all women and turn them all into sluts. America is the perfect example of this.

Exactly, this is what PUA guys are doing, they are turning all women they meet into sluts. PUA experts like Roosh, David DeAngelo and Mystery tell men to approach at least 100 women a month. Then then say you try to get her into bed on the first date.

Some PUA guys recommend going to church single groups and try and meet women there (and try to bed these girls on the first date as well).

If prostitution was legal, none of this PUA stuff would be needed.

[Cornfed]

If prostitution was legal, none of this PUA stuff would be needed.

It would also have to be cheap.

[Kradmelder]

Cornfed, if you want to target the bottom end of the market, struggling working class women, why not a rent a wife type scheme aimed at women? Have a man help you bring home the bacon and help at the house without the control and responsibility of a husband etc. Then leave the terms open to be discussed...Payment via sex etc.

SA is too high end. The hot ones that want luxury. Many men don't want that and many women would prefer a man that would help more in day to day things than a luxury weekend.

Straight nsa is too many men and not many women. Women want more than just dick.

[Cornfed]

Cornfed, if you want to target the bottom end of the market, struggling working class women, why not a rent a wife type scheme aimed at women? Have a man help you bring home the bacon and help at the house without the control and responsibility of a husband etc. Then leave the terms open to be discussed...Payment via sex etc.

Yeah, temporary wife arrangements would definitely be one thing to offer.

[Kradmelder]

Cornfed, if you want to target the bottom end of the market, struggling working class women, why not a rent a wife type scheme aimed at women? Have a man help you bring home the bacon and help at the house without the control and responsibility of a husband etc. Then leave the terms open to be discussed...Payment via sex etc.

Yeah, temporary wife arrangements would definitely be one thing to offer.

That's kind of thing you could even advertise as terms to be discussed so legally it is not prostitution. I would prefer something like that than some tart I must wine and dine. I don't need a wife as I am a good cook, have a maid, kids old enough. I am handy, cut and split all my own braai wood from the property, maintain the house etc. Can do husband chores but want no relationship besides sex and some domestic companionship. Would be better for me than some heifer that wants the high life I can afford but don't want.

[Cornfed]

There would be a bunch of concepts that could be offered. For example, a paid first date, where some guy pays females a few bucks to initially go out with him and then the relationship proceeds or not in the traditional fashion. Or impulsive decisions by females where, for example, a solo mom worried about paying the rent sees and ad for dinner and sex + $100 and thinks “Well, he looks OK and I would probably f**k him on the third date anyway, so I’m just cutting the crap and can pay my rent” and doesn’t necessarily see herself as a hoe.

[Kradmelder]

There would be a bunch of concepts that could be offered. For example, a paid first date, where some guy pays females a few bucks to initially go out with him and then the relationship proceeds or not in the traditional fashion. Or impulsive decisions by females where, for example, a solo mom worried about paying the rent sees and ad for dinner and sex + $100 and thinks “Well, he looks OK and I would probably f**k him on the third date anyway, so I’m just cutting the crap and can pay my rent” and doesn’t necessarily see herself as a hoe.

I can't see paying for dates. I can get that free just paying for the meal. Plus it is bad start as it puts them in gf mode and they think they are on a pedestal. The crap needs to be cut at the very beginning, like there won't be dates, just sex and cash, or sex vs chores and companionship. Sex must be the bottom line or there is no point. i certainly don't want women to talk to, or do things with as my hobbies are generally male oriented, and as I mentioned, the wife domestic chores I already have covered minus the BS and moaning about it.

The date thing can be done the traditional way or from dating sites. Plenty of women will go on a date for a free romantic meal and drinks, but won't give sex. Why should I pay their enetertianment for nothing in return? Just for the favour of being graced with their BS? I think many men want to avoid the whole date thing. I certainly have no desire to date.

[Cornfed]

There would be a bunch of concepts that could be offered. For example, a paid first date, where some guy pays females a few bucks to initially go out with him and then the relationship proceeds or not in the traditional fashion. Or impulsive decisions by females where, for example, a solo mom worried about paying the rent sees and ad for dinner and sex + $100 and thinks “Well, he looks OK and I would probably f**k him on the third date anyway, so I’m just cutting the crap and can pay my rent” and doesn’t necessarily see herself as a hoe.

I can't see paying for dates. I can get that free just paying for the meal. Plus it is bad start as it puts them in gf mode and they think they are on a pedestal. The crap needs to be cut at the very beginning, like there won't be dates, just sex and cash, or sex vs chores and companionship. Sex must be the bottom line or there is no point. i certainly don't want women to talk to, or do things with as my hobbies are generally male oriented, and as I mentioned, the wife domestic chores I already have covered minus the BS and moaning about it.

The date thing can be done the traditional way or from dating sites. Plenty of women will go on a date for a free romantic meal and drinks, but won't give sex. Why should I pay their enetertianment for nothing in return? Just for the favour of being graced with their BS? I think many men want to avoid the whole date thing. I certainly have no desire to date.

Just because you don’t want a service doesn’t mean others won’t. The date thing could be spun as men saving time by not having to pursue females. In a sense it is starting off on a better footing than traditional dates in that the man is paying for a service to be rendered, rather than begging/wheedling a date out of the female, as many men have to.

[Kradmelder]

There would be a bunch of concepts that could be offered. For example, a paid first date, where some guy pays females a few bucks to initially go out with him and then the relationship proceeds or not in the traditional fashion. Or impulsive decisions by females where, for example, a solo mom worried about paying the rent sees and ad for dinner and sex + $100 and thinks “Well, he looks OK and I would probably f**k him on the third date anyway, so I’m just cutting the crap and can pay my rent” and doesn’t necessarily see herself as a hoe.

I can't see paying for dates. I can get that free just paying for the meal. Plus it is bad start as it puts them in gf mode and they think they are on a pedestal. The crap needs to be cut at the very beginning, like there won't be dates, just sex and cash, or sex vs chores and companionship. Sex must be the bottom line or there is no point. i certainly don't want women to talk to, or do things with as my hobbies are generally male oriented, and as I mentioned, the wife domestic chores I already have covered minus the BS and moaning about it.

The date thing can be done the traditional way or from dating sites. Plenty of women will go on a date for a free romantic meal and drinks, but won't give sex. Why should I pay their enetertianment for nothing in return? Just for the favour of being graced with their BS? I think many men want to avoid the whole date thing. I certainly have no desire to date.

Just because you don’t want a service doesn’t mean others won’t. The date thing could be spun as men saving time by not having to pursue females. In a sense it is starting off on a better footing than traditional dates in that the man is paying for a service to be rendered, rather than begging/wheedling a date out of the female, as many men have to.

My kids were watching Keeping Up with the kardashians. Is it a tongue in cheek over-done mockery, or are american women really that plastic and obnoxious? They are really horrid women with over inflated self worth and toatlly brainless. Who would want to pay those things for a date, also pay for the dinner, and endure hours of that conversation as well? Even if I didn't have to pay I would say no thanks. The only possible thing is to stick your dick in their mouth just to shut them up, or flee.

They are the exact opposite of what a desirable woman should be; humble, respectful, kind, soft spoken, polite, thrifty etc

[Cornfed]

On the subject of paid dating, I guess there really is no such thing as an original idea.
https://www.whatsyourprice.com/

However, they are still targeting a tiny niche compared to where this could go.

[droid]

My kids were watching Keeping Up with the kardashians. Is it a tongue in cheek over-done mockery, or are american women really that plastic and obnoxious? They are really horrid women with over inflated self worth and toatlly brainless. Who would want to pay those things for a date, also pay for the dinner, and endure hours of that conversation as well? Even if I didn't have to pay I would say no thanks. The only possible thing is to stick your dick in their mouth just to shut them up, or flee.

They are the exact opposite of what a desirable woman should be; humble, respectful, kind, soft spoken, polite, thrifty etc

+1 One of your best posts
+1 also for your first post without bringing up 'darkies'

[Adama]

There would be a bunch of concepts that could be offered. For example, a paid first date, where some guy pays females a few bucks to initially go out with him and then the relationship proceeds or not in the traditional fashion. Or impulsive decisions by females where, for example, a solo mom worried about paying the rent sees and ad for dinner and sex + $100 and thinks “Well, he looks OK and I would probably f**k him on the third date anyway, so I’m just cutting the crap and can pay my rent” and doesn’t necessarily see herself as a hoe.

I can't see paying for dates. I can get that free just paying for the meal. Plus it is bad start as it puts them in gf mode and they think they are on a pedestal. The crap needs to be cut at the very beginning, like there won't be dates, just sex and cash, or sex vs chores and companionship. Sex must be the bottom line or there is no point. i certainly don't want women to talk to, or do things with as my hobbies are generally male oriented, and as I mentioned, the wife domestic chores I already have covered minus the BS and moaning about it.

The date thing can be done the traditional way or from dating sites. Plenty of women will go on a date for a free romantic meal and drinks, but won't give sex. Why should I pay their enetertianment for nothing in return? Just for the favour of being graced with their BS? I think many men want to avoid the whole date thing. I certainly have no desire to date.

Just because you don’t want a service doesn’t mean others won’t. The date thing could be spun as men saving time by not having to pursue females. In a sense it is starting off on a better footing than traditional dates in that the man is paying for a service to be rendered, rather than begging/wheedling a date out of the female, as many men have to.

My kids were watching Keeping Up with the kardashians. Is it a tongue in cheek over-done mockery, or are american women really that plastic and obnoxious? They are really horrid women with over inflated self worth and toatlly brainless. Who would want to pay those things for a date, also pay for the dinner, and endure hours of that conversation as well? Even if I didn't have to pay I would say no thanks. The only possible thing is to stick your dick in their mouth just to shut them up, or flee.

They are the exact opposite of what a desirable woman should be; humble, respectful, kind, soft spoken, polite, thrifty etc

I thought you were respectfully disagreeing when I wrote the same, that is that women should be submissive.

Why do you entertain Cornfed? He isn't thinking in the realm of reality. Sorry to say but he is in a complete fantasyland where he wants to reinvent the wheel. He has eliminated all the choices that normal men choose: marriage, girlfriends, prostitutes, and even real mistresses (he has a different definition than what you are thinking of).

This is just jibber jabber from some guy who is chasing his own tail, running in circles. Really, he should keep these thoughts to himself until he has them figured out.

[Kradmelder]

Adama, my point is Hebrewwood is portraying the ideal woman as loud, obnoxious, entitled, race mixing, brain dead, plastic, materialistic, money focused, God complex as if she is above everyone, flashing body, heavily made up. The exact opposite of what any man would want.

Why would a man pay to date such harlots? That kind of woman is strictly pump and dump if you can stomach her for more than 5 minutes.

The reality is that behaviour has infected women to varying degrees. The not infected ones have long since married and stayed married.

Given the situation, I don't want to marry or be in any relationshit with such women. Except of the mistress type with those of the less extreme above type. I would agree with Cornfed that the economic downturn has resulted in women needing money; those that don't have good jobs and rely on men. Those with harlot like natures would not be averse to taking money or gifts for a mistress arrangement. I favour this as I don't want a relationshit with a harlot.

I just would not want to pay to date them. You don't date whores. Just pomp them. Dating them puts them on a pedestal and feeds their entitlement. I would only ever date a decent woman, if I still wanted one. Such a woman would not accept cash. I don't know of any decent women I would date who are not married. I know plenty of entitlement Queens I would only bang. They are everywhere. But I have also seen that the decent ones you marry also play the whore's game, selling their body for the best deal they can get and then making sure you feather that nest to their satisfaction. And if they leave, they make sure they get well paid.

I simply no longer want to go there. I have had enough of relations with women. I prefer to pay a little to keep emotional interaction to a minimum and just satisfy physical needs. In that sense what Cornfed suggests has merit. As long as so many women peddle their bodies, why not make the payment conditional on no relationshit and leaving afterwards, instead of paying them to move in or marry. Then they are free of the man control they hate and can take the cash and behave like the Kardashians and I don't have to care about it nor expose my kids to it by seeing I accept this behaviour.

Frankly I don't have to give a shit whatever drama and bs they want to do as they can do it away from me. Around me they must be decent in behaviour and indecent in bed or I will get rid of them. The same as I behave towards them.

[droid]

Exactly, that's why cornfed's idea is flawed. Those insufferable "Like OMFG" m*fers are only good for quickies. The thought of paying them to hang out doesn't make sense. Like I said, shitty location, shitty p4p/service, with exceptions. As for the ones that are more palatable to interact with, they are unlikely to take money, or you may not need the scheme to begin with, but are most likely taken.