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HouseMD wrote:
January 15th, 2023, 12:32 pm
gsjackson wrote:
January 15th, 2023, 12:03 pm
HouseMD wrote:
January 15th, 2023, 8:11 am

He cites anecdotes, I cite data. He also wasn't in the hospital when things were quite bad like I was, seeing people die long before we had any vaccine.
Well, we've got... what ... about 50 pages of anecdotes just in this thread, including my own -- four jab deaths, two strokes. Feel free to cite the countervailing data, on the off chance that somebody here can understand it, maybe even Cornfed with his biology degree.

Did you see anybody at all under Medicare age -- 65 -- "die of covid?" The Medicare patients came with the $13K bonuses provided by Uncle Sam, with another $39K if they were put on the death ventilators. Did you see anybody at all "die of covid" who was not on a ventilator?
I saw a lot of people die or nearly die of COVID that were under 65. The majority were unvaccinated people in their 40s and 50s that were smokers or diabetics, but some were just really unlucky- had one kid that was on ECMO for months that was a healthy first responder. He ultimately lived, but his lungs were so ravaged he'll never be able to do his work again. I'm not doing your work for you, if you don't know how to do a basic google scholar or pubmed search I don't know what to tell you. And I can't provide you with the preliminary data as it is unpublished and I don't have the legal rights to release it (academic medicine is a legal minefield when it comes to publishing rights, but you can request personal copies of prelim data for analysis to assess for data integrity), but I've run various regression analyses and evaluations to assess for unusual variances to determine the data is, in fact, legitimate. You could reach out to any of the authors of any of the papers you find and request the preliminary data yourself and probably get it like I did, but I doubt you've got the calculus and statistics background to actually do anything with it
By all means let us all bow down in deference before the Great God of academese buzz words. Or maybe not.

Since you won't summarize the data you're invoking, or even provide a hint as to what it deals with, let alone provide a citation so that we can look at it ourselves, I guess we are to assume that it is some sort of study that assesses outcomes of people who had a positive PCR test beginning in 2021 -- in some country? the world? -- and compares it to outcomes in 2020.

First problem there, as has been discussed so many times here, there and everywhere, is the validity of the PCR test. I've seen studies that show an over 90 percent false positive rate. And when the cycle rate is dialed up to over 35, as it was often by financially incentivized hospitals, the results are meaningless, as even Fauci admitted in one of his rare moments of inadvertent candor.

And then there's the problem of the "covid" environment after the "vaccines" were introduced. For most of that time the great bogeyman was the "omicron variant," which data showed to be little more than a head cold. Most of the highly vulnerable elderly had been killed off by that time by the ventilators -- a 94 percent death rate when they were used, I believe, -- and even venal hospital administrators by 2021 must have realized that gravy train had to end.

For a lot of reasons any such study purporting to find better covid outcomes after the vaccines were introduced is going to be highly problematic.
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gsjackson wrote:
January 15th, 2023, 1:57 pm
HouseMD wrote:
January 15th, 2023, 12:32 pm
gsjackson wrote:
January 15th, 2023, 12:03 pm
HouseMD wrote:
January 15th, 2023, 8:11 am

He cites anecdotes, I cite data. He also wasn't in the hospital when things were quite bad like I was, seeing people die long before we had any vaccine.
Well, we've got... what ... about 50 pages of anecdotes just in this thread, including my own -- four jab deaths, two strokes. Feel free to cite the countervailing data, on the off chance that somebody here can understand it, maybe even Cornfed with his biology degree.

Did you see anybody at all under Medicare age -- 65 -- "die of covid?" The Medicare patients came with the $13K bonuses provided by Uncle Sam, with another $39K if they were put on the death ventilators. Did you see anybody at all "die of covid" who was not on a ventilator?
I saw a lot of people die or nearly die of COVID that were under 65. The majority were unvaccinated people in their 40s and 50s that were smokers or diabetics, but some were just really unlucky- had one kid that was on ECMO for months that was a healthy first responder. He ultimately lived, but his lungs were so ravaged he'll never be able to do his work again. I'm not doing your work for you, if you don't know how to do a basic google scholar or pubmed search I don't know what to tell you. And I can't provide you with the preliminary data as it is unpublished and I don't have the legal rights to release it (academic medicine is a legal minefield when it comes to publishing rights, but you can request personal copies of prelim data for analysis to assess for data integrity), but I've run various regression analyses and evaluations to assess for unusual variances to determine the data is, in fact, legitimate. You could reach out to any of the authors of any of the papers you find and request the preliminary data yourself and probably get it like I did, but I doubt you've got the calculus and statistics background to actually do anything with it
By all means let us all bow down in deference before the Great God of academese buzz words. Or maybe not.

Since you won't summarize the data you're invoking, or even provide a hint as to what it deals with, let alone provide a citation so that we can look at it ourselves, I guess we are to assume that it is some sort of study that assesses outcomes of people who had a positive PCR test beginning in 2021 -- in some country? the world? -- and compares it to outcomes in 2020.

First problem there, as has been discussed so many times here, there and everywhere, is the validity of the PCR test. I've seen studies that show an over 90 percent false positive rate. And when the cycle rate is dialed up to over 35, as it was often by financially incentivized hospitals, the results are meaningless, as even Fauci admitted in one of his rare moments of inadvertent candor.

And then there's the problem of the "covid" environment after the "vaccines" were introduced. For most of that time the great bogeyman was the "omicron variant," which data showed to be little more than a head cold. Most of the highly vulnerable elderly had been killed off by that time by the ventilators -- a 94 percent death rate when they were used, I believe, -- and even venal hospital administrators by 2021 must have realized that gravy train had to end.

For a lot of reasons any such study purporting to find better covid outcomes after the vaccines were introduced is going to be highly problematic.
Your statements just aren't correct

With regard to sensitivity and specificity of testing, here is an article with sources: https://www.cap.org/member-resources/ar ... pecificity.

This paper goes into the mortality rates worldwide as they relate to COVID. Most excess death occurred in the first year of the pandemic, during which time no vaccine was available. People claim that every death was being accounted as COVID, but this simply isn't correct- only one third of excess deaths were due to COVID. The way we recorded deaths related to COVID was actually designed to undercount rather than overcount cases, as we only coded people with verifiable symptoms that were consistent with a COVID diagnosis AND positive testing at the time of illness onset once testing was available. Any unclear case was generally chalked up to the most likely culprit (myocardial infarction, COPD, etc, whatever matched the presentation) despite COVID likely being implicated in many of these deaths. https://www.thelancet.com/article/S0140 ... 3/fulltext

We saw far more clotting disorders in unvaccinated than vaccinated individuals by a long shot, which is consistent with COVID's endothelial destruction and subsequent activation of inflammatory and coagulation cascades, and which also fits observed data: https://www.bmj.com/content/379/bmj-2022-071594
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9115120/
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161 ... 122.060785

I've seen the original data sets, and they're legitimate. COVID itself presents a profound thromboembolic risk that is many, many times greater than the vaccine. The risk of the vaccine is not, however, zero. With COVID being so contagious, you will get it. But the risk is akin to being shot with a regular bullet versus a rubber one- the real thing hits far harder on every front. You could still die from that rubber hitting you wrong, but it's much less likely
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Pseudo-academic gobbledygook funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. Could there have ever been any doubt that the conclusions would fit the standard narrative? You'll note the word "estimated" in front of all the excess deaths. I remember when that 4 million estimate for India came along, generated by an American NGO that hadn't set foot in India. No names or death certificates of any of the supposed 4 million, no actual dead people, just an "estimate" by an outfit probably also funded by Gates.

I don't think you grasp, Doc, just what a credibility problem the last three years have created for your profession. Which is a shame because there are a lot of conditions you can be genuinely helpful with, but now there are many, many millions of people who believe that the profession is thoroughly tainted by the corruption of Big Pharma and psychotic eugenicists like Gates.
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Here are the facts as I see them. Covid became less and less dangerous over time and was generally not dangerous for healthy people. The Covid vaccine was poorly tested and uses untried technology. So any healthy person who took the Covid vaccine is a moron. We still have no idea how dangerous the vaccine is, and we won't know for years. Of course I hope it kills all those who took it, but that is just my hope. Did I get anything wrong?
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Here is a graph of excess deaths in England. Red means more deaths. You will notice the deaths in children really begin to increase a few months after the lethal injection rollout. You people in the medical system are really making a difference. You have murdered millions of children. All the serial killers in prison are irrelevant punks compared to you. The Mongol hordes will go down in history as rank amateurs unworthy of being mentioned in the same context as you.

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HouseMD wrote:
January 14th, 2023, 8:42 pm
The newer bivalent vaccine by Pfizer has been linked to strokes. I didn't get the second booster for this very reason- no demonstrated benefit, unknown risk
They should've just called it the "awesome booster." I don't think the average american knows what bivalent means. Or they could've called it the Tesla booster or something.
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There are numerous reports of the Davos people and other rich tossers insisting on unvaxxed pilots to fly their private jets. They would have to be insane not to. No-one wants you stupid disease-ridden lemmings operating critical machinery their lives depend on when your clot-ridden blackened hearts could give out at any moment. This is just the beginning. It will soon be a world of opportunity for authentic human beings. Unxaxxed sperm really will be the new bitcoin.

https://newspunch.com/wef-hires-unvacci ... -priority/
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Two of my acquaintances have died suddenly from heart attacks. One was 30 year old and other was 60 year old. I suspected that they took the experimental poison heart killers such as COVID Vaccine. I didn't take the jab. And recently Publicduende did an eulogy of a HA member, Jester. He also died 12 hours later after taking the jab I believe.

All of my mainstream friends and acquaintances outside Happierabroad.com, have taken the jab. It's just a matter of time before they all suddenly drop dead en masse. :( Dr Fauci is the new Josef Mengele. He should be promptly executed for financing and developing the "gain of function" of the COVID 19.
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Natural_Born_Cynic wrote:
January 18th, 2023, 8:55 am
All of my mainstream friends and acquaintances outside Happierabroad.com, have taken the jab. It's just a matter of time before they all suddenly drop dead en masse. :( Dr Fauci is the new Josef Mengele. He should be promptly executed for financing and developing the "gain of function" of the COVID 19.
I congratulate Dr Fauci on promoting the highly eugenic covid vaccines.
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fschmidt wrote:
January 18th, 2023, 11:22 am
Natural_Born_Cynic wrote:
January 18th, 2023, 8:55 am
All of my mainstream friends and acquaintances outside Happierabroad.com, have taken the jab. It's just a matter of time before they all suddenly drop dead en masse. :( Dr Fauci is the new Josef Mengele. He should be promptly executed for financing and developing the "gain of function" of the COVID 19.
I congratulate Dr Fauci on promoting the highly eugenic covid vaccines.
Yes.. just like the good old days..
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For the random funny stuff category, this is Chelsea Handler after her second Murderna lethal injection. Hopefully she won't linger on too long.

https://twitter.com/johnrich/status/1614676206653251584
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Cornfed wrote:
January 18th, 2023, 12:00 pm
For the random funny stuff category, this is Chelsea Handler after her second Murderna lethal injection. Hopefully she won't linger on too long.

https://twitter.com/johnrich/status/1614676206653251584
She is not even a good comedian anyway. She shouldn't have taken the poison jab of death. Oh well..
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Corny, good news from the home front. Jacinda Ardern has resigned unexpectedly (and her WEF homies cavorting at Davos are getting beat up, at least in the alternative press). Majority of New Zealanders want unjabbed nurses back at work. It's a start.
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Attempts to retcon the corona situation as anything other than an obvious hoax from the beginning are lame and will fail. If you are a medical professional in any capacity and didn't call out the hoax then you are guilty of mass murder and fully deserve execution. What is your excuse? You were warned, including on this forum. If you are a bit stupid and didn't initially see it for yourself, you could have checked it out. If you are too stupid to check things out, you shouldn't have been posing as a medical professional in the first place. Either way, you are of a much worse moral character than anyone you would encounter in most maximum security prisons.
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Jordan Peterson regrets taking the lethal injection. If you took the lethal injection and don't realise what a disastrous mistake your lameness and stupidity caused you to make, then it follows you are even more dysfunctional and/or intellectually dishonest than Jordan Peterson.

https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/sta ... ing-him%2F
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