theprimebait wrote:Enticer wrote:In the west, we think of maturity in stages of 20-25-30 years old. So...my mind thinks that a woman 25 is VERY immature and a handful. She may not be able to handle the cesspool of the US mindset...
..and yes, we'd be living here...that is not an option. I have a child here. I'm not moving...
So...how mature are ME women at age 25 versus the west?
Darker middle easterners go thru puberty earlier than white people.I mean physichally.I could grow a beard at age 12,and many of the women I knew had breasts at age 11 and a half.maturity does vary from race to race,and its well known muslim women mature earlier.
mentally,they are raised to cook,clean,and help out as a child.no religious muslim woman will succumb to western influence,for one,she wouldn't speak the language,two muslims don't watch western TV or associatte with kuffar.its haram in islam to have non-muslim friends,and muslimas only talk to other muslimas anyway.besides muslim women have a low opinion and some could call it hatred towards western women for being slutty and immodest.they are literally offended by western women.of course they are polite in mixed company,but most muslimas I know do not like non-muslim women unless they are like orthodox christians,I know in the levant we are pretty tight with them as friends if they are following the same values as us.Ironically when they go to europe they don't assmilate with their fellow christians but usually have contact with us,because we share the same culture and values as orthodox arabs.
anyway the whole being spoiled by the local culture is a non-issue with muslimas.women don't stray because it means
!)no more money
2)SHAME and being an OUTCAST in the community(women are herd animals)
3)in extreme cases the dad just kills her
as for maturity,dude..I've been over the houses of friends with their 11 yr old sisters doing the cooking,and the cleaning and playing hostess(and they loved doing so).this is so common in the culture.
alot of 10 yr old muslimas are more mature than 26 yr old westerners.thats the truth.
but I don't recommend the islam route unless you are serious about the religion.if you shame their family by divorcing her for no reason it could spell trouble.I have stories to tell....
Enticer, speaking from experience I would advise not bringing a woman to the US unless you are extremely patient and willing to gamble on American culture influencing her. Maturity is relative in that a woman may seem mature in her own culture and surrounding she grew up in, but may lack maturity in other areas not yet exposed to you. Especially a culture foreign to her (this goes for anyone actually of any gender).
American culture will do it's best to influence and change her, she will experience culture shock to some degree. How she gets through it, and how good you are at patiently helping her through it, during this phase will determine whether she changes too. It makes some go a bit crazy, some turn into the AW types that are described on these forums, the lucky will come through it without the negative changes but with more knowledge and experience (maturity).
My ME experiences are from Egypt having lived there for awhile pre-revolution, and married there. Thus what I describe below may be limited to Egyptian muslim traditions and not necessarily global muslim traditions.
To marry a muslim woman in a traditional sense, you are required to convert if you're not already muslim. No pre-marital sex at all, and "dating" is simply meeting at a coffee shop and talking. There are the minority of course who may bang you and go to the disco tech, but these types are fairly westernized and of the same cloth that is AW types that you are wanting to avoid.
The woman needs to have approval from her family to marry you, final decision up to her father, this means you need to meet them, get to know them, if they do not approve you're SOL. She will not be able to marry you (unless of the minority type who doesn't mind being disowned from family).
If you pass all of the above tests, then you get to negotiate with the family on the dowry. Yes dowry. This generally speaking means a lump of money, a place to live (you buy an apartment/house for her), and of course the gold jewelry for her to wear at wedding. This goes into the thousands (dollars), unless you're wooing a peasant who doesn't give a shit and wanting a visa, or a middle-aged divorcee who also doesn't give a shit.
OK all that is settled, now where to marry? Usually the family isn't going to allow her to go to another country to be wed. So expect to do some traveling yourself (unless you've met a local who's family is also here).
The marriage itself takes place with you sitting across from her father in front of an official, you ask the father for her etc. he agrees you all sign some papers. Congrats you're now legally married, but wait, you still cannot be with her. There is now what's called making it public. Thats where the party comes in where family, friends etc. are all invited and dressed up. This is generally a catered party at a hotel ballroom, or other similar venue. You get to pay for this too, and how extravagant it is, is negotiated between you and her and sometimes the family has a little say in it depending on her.
Now that your married, expect at least one year, sometimes two in waiting for immigration process to bring her to US. Where are you going to live during this process? If you come back to the US leaving her there for a year or more with just visits now and then, expect allot of friction, and maybe even triggering the batshit crazy woman gene on that "mature" woman you thought you knew.
Again, speaking above from first hand experience. The traditions and customs may vary between different ME/muslim countries, but will be similar I imagine.
Good luck.