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Question: Should a man try to settle down and raise a family, as society and most people say you should?

Would such a settled life bring one more happiness and joy? If so, how? Are all the responsibilities and burdens of raising a family really worth it? Is it more like a prison or a happy family life?

Does raising a family lead to a better life, or is it something people do because they are "supposed" to out of a sense of duty?

What's in it for a man to settle down and raise a family? What does he gain from it? And is this "gain" worth a lifetime of hardship, responsibility, burden, and loss of freedom and mobility?

Do most men who settle down and raise a family regret it? Or do they say that it's the best thing that's ever happened to them?

It is understandable that society would try to make the settled down life a norm for everyone, otherwise there would be social chaos and disarray. But that is from the vantage point of seeing the masses as cattle. And it doesn't mean that it is better for every individual. You also have to remember that society's job and function is to control and organize people, not to make them happy and free. So society is acting out of its interest, not yours.

(It does seem that everything in society is built around settling down and raising a family - buying a home, getting a stable job, shopping for your family and home, etc. It's definitely not built for meeting hot girls or picking up chicks. lol)

Or is it better for a man to be free, have romantic relationships without marriage (one or multiple), good friends, freedom, adventure, and be free to do what he wants?

Which is better and why?

Or how about this: What if you were to meet a woman who was an 8, 9 or 10 (by your standards)? If you settled down with someone you thought was really hot like that, would that lead to happiness? Would it be a way to keep her?

Or what if you fell madly in love with someone whom you thought was your soulmate? Are you better off marrying her and settling down to raise a family? Would a soulmate make "settling down" a happy venture?

What do you all think?

What are you talking about? Society says you shouldn't. Or at least Feminism actively encourages women to wait before having kids and to have less of them.

Whether a family is prison or happiness depends on how people act.

I want a family to carry on my genes and values. It's something older cultures understood. You get to pass on your wisdom to someone. It's something that will exist after you die. That's why it's always a tragedy when a kid dies before his parents.

I don't think a chaotic society would make many people happy. Chaos really means violence. Much higher crime rates. You look at things like single mothers and Blacks and there's your answer. So you get people being born into poverty and a culture of violence.

What is freedom anyway? Freedom is only good if someone is responsible and has morals. Otherwise people are free to do whatever they want and that can be very destructive. Both self destructive and violent crime.

If you meet your soulmate and don't marry her you're a moron. That's if you believe in the whole soulmate thing. But I think there are tons of qualified women, even if they are well dispersed or extremely rare locally.

You can still be free in a family. My parents took my sister and I to about half of the states in America as a kid and we went overseas a few times.

To me, Feminism is evil because it actively encourages unstable families. Turns wives against husbands.

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If so, it should be in the second half of his life, not the first half.

Families shackle men financially, intellectually, socially, and sexually. Men are free to create great things when they are unhindered by the myth of marital bliss.

In the second half of life, men are most wise and wealthy thus in the best position to impart knowledge and wealth to their offspring.

Of course, if a man is content to experience the world without the baggage of family, he can do just that best when he is free and unencumbered.

Winston wrote:Question: Should a man try to settle down and raise a family, as society and most people say you should?
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What do you all think?

Should a gazelle run slower so the lion doesn't have to work so hard for its dinner?
See if you can find an episode of the original Twilight Zone called To Serve Man.

This is not a question of "should you", but rather, "what do you want", and if you can find someone with compatible life goals.

If you don't want to have a family and settle down, by all means, don't. If you're a cloud type person who'd enjoy being a perpetual traveler, by all means, do it.

What you should NOT do, is knowing that you'd be happier as a cloud, but choose to live as a grass and be miserable with yourself and blame everyone else for your own life choices.

momopi wrote:This is not a question of "should you", but rather, "what do you want", and if you can find someone with compatible life goals.

If you don't want to have a family and settle down, by all means, don't. If you're a cloud type person who'd enjoy being a perpetual traveler, by all means, do it.

What you should NOT do, is knowing that you'd be happier as a cloud, but choose to live as a grass and be miserable with yourself and blame everyone else for your own life choices.

I thought blaming others for one's own life choices was one of the major points here....

Quality men have a moral obligation to raise quality families while keeping their wives on the straight and narrow and contributing to the fabric of society. To not do so and let your genetic line and society go extinct so the regime can replace them with genetic garbage who are easier to control is to fail all your ancestors, would be descendants and the Universe. However, trying to raise a family in feminist-infested societies without some form of protection is insane. The idea is to try and find a way around the traitor system.

Cornfed wrote:Quality men have a moral obligation to raise quality families while keeping their wives on the straight and narrow and contributing to the fabric of society. To not do so and let your genetic line and society go extinct so the regime can replace them with genetic garbage who are easier to control is to fail all your ancestors, would be descendants and the Universe. However, trying to raise a family in feminist-infested societies without some form of protection is insane. The idea is to try and find a way around the traitor system.

This. All other posts in this thread were utterly worthless. He even kept it religion free too. So don't try to nitpick a religion into it.

/highlighted the best part

There's too many factors to consider, like spouse, lifestyle, age etc ... my father is a good example; he was married twice before he met my mother ... why wasn't his former marriges ideal ?? We asked him, he said if he knew he would have fixed it ... sometimes things just don't work out, then you meet someone at the right time in your life & you realise why it didn't work with anyone else.

Children have no benefit these days unless you enjoy raising them.in the ages of yore they were your slaves on a farm,they cared for you in your old age.

they carried on your legacy etc

but what is the importance of a legacy?when your dead,does it matter?legacy is immaterial.1000 years from now youll be forgotten.

what can a wife really offer you?validation?

I think thats it.as Sex,food,maid can be bought.

its the need to ''feel loved''since most humans cannot love themselves,they need external validation.

a good website on marriage,family,society etc

http://forbiddentruth.8k.com/

also following the social script means very little in our atomized societies.

Cornfed wrote:Quality men have a moral obligation to raise quality families while keeping their wives on the straight and narrow and contributing to the fabric of society. To not do so and let your genetic line and society go extinct so the regime can replace them with genetic garbage who are easier to control is to fail all your ancestors, would be descendants and the Universe. However, trying to raise a family in feminist-infested societies without some form of protection is insane. The idea is to try and find a way around the traitor system.

Society exists to screw you and your descendants over and you have no obligation to it.
the sun will explode in 5 billion years so all else is useless.

theprimebait wrote: but what is the importance of a legacy?when your dead,does it matter?

This is why the self-separate-from-the-Universe secular humanist model of looking at the world is a death cult. Not only do people not breed and therefore go extinct, but they tend to be short-sighted, lazy, selfish jerks in their own lives, since most efforts aren't directly and immediately rewarded, so they figure they shouldn't bother. I suggest taking up a more positive set of beliefs such as the one I proposed in the "West needs a new religion" thread.
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what can a wife really offer you?

A wife is a household appliance which if properly wired and maintained can perform a number of useful roles. Also, it turns out that the irritating, idle banter females engage in with each other on a daily basis is a critical component of the social fabric.

It's a natural desire, and this is why one starts getting horny and stuff at a certain age, and falls in love. The problem is if it's in the US, the society is not normal, so one's sexual urges won't be channeled into a normal, productive groove. If one is deprived of it long enough, the desire will ferment and then take new shapes. Some sickos will become kidnappers like what they had in Cleveland now. Some will become gays, some will become sex tourists and residents of Bangkok and AC. After that, it's hard to settle down and follow a natural path anymore.

After you hit 46-47, the sexual urge diminishes, but a new urge rises- you want to have kids growing up around you whom you protect, nurture and educate. But you don't have them. This is why you have all these middle aged couples dying to adopt and have a complete home.

Philosophically speaking, none of those things are lasting.

Perfect answer ladislav.