I'm at a strange and difficult point right now

[Jester]

However, she IS brainwashed to believe that marriage is the only way to prove commitment...which obviously isn't true. Although I love her and would hate for her to leave me...if she gave me an ultimatum right now, I'd let her go. The older I get, the less marriage makes sense...it's like an emotional trap. I'm do not have a commitment phobia like some would say. I am always faithful and have no problem with committing to A WOMAN. I have a problem with committing to the government that hates me...

+1
Good phrasing.

[Ghost]

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[Tsar]

Girls who give away their virginity before marriage should not expect a man to marry them.

I agree. In the past there would be almost no men who would marry a girl that lost her virginity. Today many men marry non-virgins.

Marriage offers little or no benefits anymore. The government has turned marriage into a legal and financial contract. Only marrying a virgin gives a man some benefits.

Never allow a woman to pressure or force you into marriage.

By traditional standards it's very unlikely for a woman to be a virgin past her early twenties (because girls were traditionally married by age 23). One of the main problems is that girls that do not get married at a younger age will have a lower chance of being virgins. That is why in the past men between 20-40 would marry women between 15-23. Today in the West the girls don't want marriage until their late 20s to late 30s. They are sluts and would be terrible girlfriends/brides. Look at the divorce rates, number of single mothers, and the STD rating among women.

In the West people would rather teenage girls become sluts rather than marry an older man (20-40). Then they except men to marry those sluts. They except men to value those sluts and treat them like princesses. I would never treat any girl except a virgin as a princess.

I don't care what society demands of me. I would rather be shamed, shown on the media, and have infamy rather than lose my pride and honor. I will go after what I want in life and never give in to another person, society, or even a government's demands. I don't care if the infamy would prevent me from working as a serf in America. My Number One goal in life is to marry a virgin between the ages of 15-19.

[E Irizarry R&B Singer]

.....My Number One goal in life is to marry a virgin between the ages of 15-19.

The closest thing to NE US of Gay to acquiring some chick like that is maybe the Canadian province of Nunavut.

[Tsar]

.....My Number One goal in life is to marry a virgin between the ages of 15-19.

The closest thing to NE US of Gay to acquiring some chick like that is maybe the Canadian province of Nunavut.

I don't understand what you're trying to say?

[E Irizarry R&B Singer]

.....My Number One goal in life is to marry a virgin between the ages of 15-19.

The closest thing to NE US of Gay to acquiring some chick like that is maybe the Canadian province of Nunavut.

I don't understand what you're trying to say?

It sounds like an exercise in futility is what I mean, bud....in that in N. America it will not be easy to find. As much as this place gets "wordplay" around here,
you should join the bandwagon and go to The Philippines in order to find that.

[Tsar]

It sounds like an exercise in futility is what I mean, bud....in that in N. America it will not be easy to find. As much as this place gets "wordplay" around here,
you should join the bandwagon and go to The Philippines in order to find that.

I plan to go to Russia or EE to find that. There is no way anyone would find a girl like that in America or the western world, and even if they did she would still be brainwashed and corrupted by the toxic culture.

[HouseMD]

I really feel like people over sell virgins. You never know if they will be good in bed until after you marry, at which point out is sort of too late. If you wouldn't buy a car without a test drive or buy a house without seeing the inside, why in the f***ing hell would you make the most important decision of your dating life without sampling the goods?

Having been married, I really don't recommend it anyway. Love doesn't last forever and the whole dynamic is changed once kids enter the mix. Very few people have the chemistry and will to make that work for as long as they live. Most people who think it can have never had a relationship longer than three years, which is when that sweet oxytocin starts to kick off and the new love fades to companionship.

[fschmidt]

I really feel like people over sell virgins. You never know if they will be good in bed until after you marry, at which point out is sort of too late. If you wouldn't buy a car without a test drive or buy a house without seeing the inside, why in the f***ing hell would you make the most important decision of your dating life without sampling the goods?

The point isn't you test driving, the problem is others test driving. Would you want to buy food in the supermarket that others have tasted? That's a better analogy. That said, I don't think virginity is critical but one should never marry a slut. I think Ghost should have sex vacation somewhere and then he can decide where to go from there.

[HouseMD]

I really feel like people over sell virgins. You never know if they will be good in bed until after you marry, at which point out is sort of too late. If you wouldn't buy a car without a test drive or buy a house without seeing the inside, why in the f***ing hell would you make the most important decision of your dating life without sampling the goods?

The point isn't you test driving, the problem is others test driving. Would you want to buy food in the supermarket that others have tasted? That's a better analogy. That said, I don't think virginity is critical but one should never marry a slut. I think Ghost should have sex vacation somewhere and then he can decide where to go from there.

I agree with you, I don't mind if a girl isn't a virgin, but I don't want a whore. I just never got the virgin is all. Either you plan to bang her before marriage, in which case you're a hypocrite, as you don't want girls that are sleeping around before marriage while encouraging them to engage in said behavior, or you plan to bang them after marriage and are rolling some serious dice.

[Tsar]

I really feel like people over sell virgins. You never know if they will be good in bed until after you marry, at which point out is sort of too late. If you wouldn't buy a car without a test drive or buy a house without seeing the inside, why in the f***ing hell would you make the most important decision of your dating life without sampling the goods?

The problem is that type of thinking. Marrying a girl that lost her virginity to another man is a major problem. Why would anyone want to marry a girl that isn't a virgin? A girl that has been "test driven" by other men is a slut. Traditionally sluts are used, not married and not long-term relationship material. You might be able to keep a slut as a platonic friend or a sex buddy but I think it's a destruction of pride for a self-respecting man to treat such a girl as a princess or marry such a girl.

Would you want to imagine your girlfriend/bride doing things with other men? Maybe acting out porn scenes with previous boyfriends? Doing sexual acts with them? Maybe be comparing you to previous boyfriends, especially during sex? This is why many relationships are failing. The women aren't virgins and men can't trust or respect a slut.

A slut is a f**k buddy. Accepting a girl with one previous partner is an even greater dishonor (it's like she's saying "I lost my virginity to another man but you get to be second." How is being second any better than being third, fourth, fifth, or one-hundredth? You still don't get to be her first and it's the first that matters. It's proven that girls always remember their first and have feelings for their first).

This is why only virgins are marriage quality.

[Tsar]

[Either you plan to bang her before marriage, in which case you're a hypocrite, as you don't want girls that are sleeping around before marriage while encouraging them to engage in said behavior, or you plan to bang them after marriage and are rolling some serious dice.

I believe that if a man wants to be with a virgin he should marry her if he takes her virginity. Or he doesn't sleep with her they are married. When a man takes a girl's virginity and just leaves, that is what reduces the population of desirable virgins for honorable men that only want a virgin.

I think it's a personal choice if a man will accept a woman with a sexual past, but he is rolling some dice with even worse odds. The statistics prove that marrying a woman that isn't a virgin results in higher divorce ratings.

I remember that marrying a virgin has about an 86-90% success rating.
Marrying a woman with one previous partner had about an 54%-56% success rating.

[HouseMD]

I really feel like people over sell virgins. You never know if they will be good in bed until after you marry, at which point out is sort of too late. If you wouldn't buy a car without a test drive or buy a house without seeing the inside, why in the f***ing hell would you make the most important decision of your dating life without sampling the goods?

The problem is that type of thinking. Marrying a girl that lost her virginity to another man is a major problem. Why would anyone want to marry a girl that isn't a virgin? A girl that has been "test driven" by other men is a slut. Traditionally sluts are used, not married and not long-term relationship material. You might be able to keep a slut as a platonic friend or a sex buddy but I think it's a destruction of pride for a self-respecting man to treat such a girl as a princess or marry such a girl.

Would you want to imagine your girlfriend/bride doing things with other men? Maybe acting out p**n scenes with previous boyfriends? Doing sexual acts with them? Maybe be comparing you to previous boyfriends, especially during sex? This is why many relationships are failing. The women aren't virgins and men can't trust or respect a slut.

A slut is a f**k buddy. Accepting a girl with one previous partner is an even greater dishonor (it's like she's saying "I lost my virginity to another man but you get to be second." How is being second any better than being third, fourth, fifth, or one-hundredth? You still don't get to be her first and it's the first that matters. It's proven that girls always remember their first and have feelings for their first).

This is why only virgins are marriage quality.

I guess the reason I've never really cared whether I am first or not is that I know I'm going to be one of the best lays she has ever had, so all those other guys do is give her a frame of reference for how good I am. You should hear the shit some girls will talk about their ex's sexual prowess after you give them a good f**k.

And those virgin marriage statistics were from a Focus on the Family study and thus about as reliable as a '95 Ford Taurus. Look at the divorce rates in some Arab countries where men only marry virgins for a more accurate barometer. I was like you once, and would very much have preferred my marriage to my high school love had gone differently, but she got curious and strayed. I wish you the best of luck, I really do, but I just don't want you to idealize something and then be crushed by the very real possibilities of poor chemistry, bad sex, love fading, or her straying.

[kai1275]

I really feel like people over sell virgins. You never know if they will be good in bed until after you marry, at which point out is sort of too late. If you wouldn't buy a car without a test drive or buy a house without seeing the inside, why in the f***ing hell would you make the most important decision of your dating life without sampling the goods?

The problem is that type of thinking. Marrying a girl that lost her virginity to another man is a major problem. Why would anyone want to marry a girl that isn't a virgin? A girl that has been "test driven" by other men is a slut. Traditionally sluts are used, not married and not long-term relationship material. You might be able to keep a slut as a platonic friend or a sex buddy but I think it's a destruction of pride for a self-respecting man to treat such a girl as a princess or marry such a girl.

Would you want to imagine your girlfriend/bride doing things with other men? Maybe acting out p**n scenes with previous boyfriends? Doing sexual acts with them? Maybe be comparing you to previous boyfriends, especially during sex? This is why many relationships are failing. The women aren't virgins and men can't trust or respect a slut.

A slut is a f**k buddy. Accepting a girl with one previous partner is an even greater dishonor (it's like she's saying "I lost my virginity to another man but you get to be second." How is being second any better than being third, fourth, fifth, or one-hundredth? You still don't get to be her first and it's the first that matters. It's proven that girls always remember their first and have feelings for their first).

This is why only virgins are marriage quality.

I guess the reason I've never really cared whether I am first or not is that I know I'm going to be one of the best lays she has ever had, so all those other guys do is give her a frame of reference for how good I am. You should hear the shit some girls will talk about their ex's sexual prowess after you give them a good f**k.

And those virgin marriage statistics were from a Focus on the Family study and thus about as reliable as a '95 Ford Taurus. Look at the divorce rates in some Arab countries where men only marry virgins for a more accurate barometer. I was like you once, and would very much have preferred my marriage to my high school love had gone differently, but she got curious and strayed. I wish you the best of luck, I really do, but I just don't want you to idealize something and then be crushed by the very real possibilities of poor chemistry, bad sex, love fading, or her straying.

You make a very good point. Alot of guys want a logically easy fix to a somewhat complex issue. It is possible he can find happiness and success doing it his way, but it is possible he will fail miserably for a totally different cause. Like you I was married before to someone that was not yet corrupted that I met in college, but people do change! Hopefully things will work out better than last time, but still... Virginity is... It's tough to say for sure! I feel the same way you do. The other intangibles might matter alot more, but eh...maybe we just had bad luck with AW....

[Tsar]

I was like you once, and would very much have preferred my marriage to my high school love had gone differently, but she got curious and strayed.

A man shouldn't allow his woman to have opportunities to cheat. It's easier if the woman is not feminist, more traditional, and works right beside her man. Her man accompanies her to all her appointments and they do shopping together.

I wish you the best of luck, I really do, but I just don't want you to idealize something and then be crushed by the very real possibilities of poor chemistry, bad sex, love fading, or her straying.

I assume poor chemistry means poor sexual chemistry. No one would enter into a relationship if they didn't have a connection with a girl, but then there is the counter argument of arranged marriages working out without any chemistry. People grew to love each other. Usually virgins and brides between 16-19 are more malleable and can be imprinted with values.

Bad sex is another issue I don't agree with. I don't believe anyone an be permanently bad as sex. Either she would want to learn and improve, or she doesn't. Teaching a virgin girl is better than going after an experienced slut. If she doesn't want to learn and improve then that could be an issue.

I don't believe love will fade if the relationship has enjoyment and you are her first and only. Many girls don't want to lose their first. There will be points where the passion might be reduced but it's not like people are always at a euphoric high, they just have to continue with their love and try to regain their euphoria.

The possibility she will stray? A virgin girl usually wouldn't cheat because she would lose her man. There will always be a probability she could cheat but the probability can be minimized. Don't give her many opportunities to cheat. She should need her man and should want him. If she strays there must be some underlying reasons, she had the opportunity, and she felt she really didn't need him.

I would rather be alone forever than be with a girl that wasn't a virgin. I'm a virgin and I will never lose my virginity to any girl except an attractive virgin girl.