Hello all ,

Kapinga626 · Post by **Kapinga626** » February 1st, 2011, 6:09 pm

I'm a middle aged man from the mid-west , living in Ca. for awhile now.
As a young man , while in the service , I travelled to many different countries .
I feel disconnected with American women . I'm enthralled by foreign women .

I joined the forums to take in other members comments and experiences .
I'm divorced with 2 young children . My children live nearby with their mother .
Curiously , I still want to be in a loving relationship , and want another shot at fatherhood .

Lastly , I've been there , and done that .
I met and eventually married a Russian girl while vacationing there in 2000.
Our marriage lasted 9 years .
I will gladly give my insight , and tell of my experiences in Russia to anyone who wishes to know .

Take care and be good to yourself

Post by **jamesbond** » February 1st, 2011, 6:34 pm

Hello Kapinga626, were are glad you found our forum. What countries have you visited besides Russia? Would you consider marrying a Russian woman again?

Kapinga626 · Post by **Kapinga626** » February 1st, 2011, 7:05 pm

Mr. Bond , Mr. James Bond ,
Thank you for the welcome . To answer your questions :
As a civilian , and as a peace time Marine vet , I've been to :
Japan ( Mainland , Okinawa , and Iwo Jima )
Thailand
Phillipines
South Korea
Hong Kong
Singapore
Egypt
Russia
Mexico
Most countries listed , I've been to multiple times .

* Also , The word " Awesome " is overused , and underappreciated in our vernacular .
In the true meaning , and spirit of the word , you Sir , have an Awesome avatar !

Kapinga626 · Post by **Kapinga626** » February 1st, 2011, 7:08 pm

Oh ,
Also , I should never say never , but committing to another Russian woman is very unlikely for me .

Adama · Post by **Adama** » February 1st, 2011, 7:34 pm

Welcome.

Tell us more about the duplicity of Russian women, please. Where I live in the states, they are notorious for being gold diggers and general mercenaries. Of the men who prefer foreign women, most prefer Latinas or Asians most likely cause of the cold and calculating demeanor of Russki women.

[Enter Ladislav]
Ladislav: "That's cause you never bothered to learn the Russian culture first!"

Kapinga626 · Post by **Kapinga626** » February 1st, 2011, 9:23 pm

Thank you J. Adama ,
I have so much to say about my 9 year marriage to a Russian woman .
I'll try to abbreviate.
" Gold diggers " and "Mercenaries " were'nt words that I associated with Russian women in the year 2000 .

However some things failed to grab my attention:
She suffered a chaotic childhood ( As a young child , her family was chased out of Baku , by Muslim Nationalists by the point of a sword - literally ) Red flag #1
Through no fault of her own , she never knew , nor laid eyes on her father . Red flag # 2
Though claiming to be Russian Orthodox ( similar to Catholicism ) , she rarely attended services , nor cared . Red flag # 3
Members who prefer Latinas or Asians , I assume part of the attraction is the religion / spiritual aspect , which in my opinion bolsters the covenant of marriage .
Having said this , I met many American - Russian couples during my marriage ( in California ) , and they all seemed so happy and grounded . I always wondered " What's wrong with us " ?
I would never say straight out " Don't do that " , "Don't go there" .
It just didn't work for me .
Ladislavs quote in your avatar might have done me some good prior to my plans of marriage .
She always responded more to strong language ( not my style ) to diplomacy or rational thought .
Russian guys - generally speaking can be much more rude and crude than Western men . Surprisingly , Russian women seem to respond more to that . ( In my experience ) .
We were married in 2000 . She gained her citizenship in May , 2009 . In October 2009 , she wanted a divorce . You can draw your own conclusions .
I am not a wealthy man . I can however travell to most any of the 194 or so countries on this planet . Russia isn't even in my top 5 wish list .
Hope this helps in some way .

Adama · Post by **Adama** » February 1st, 2011, 10:23 pm

I heard they have a saying over there.

"Of course she is a bad person. She came from a bad family."

You arent just vetting the woman. You also have to judge her and her mother's relationship to the father/husband. I'm not religious, so the religious flag probably wouldn't go off for me.

I also guess she has a decent job out there too.

Kapinga626 · Post by **Kapinga626** » February 1st, 2011, 10:45 pm

J. Adama - Agreed on all points .
I eventually got to know her family . F*** , I sponsored them all over here . They are scattered to the four winds . All I know is that they are all doing well .
When we divorced , I told my Ex , " For every bad thing that happens to your family , I'm part responsible , For every good thing to happens to them , I'm part responsible , and I'm guessing that there will be a lot more good than bad . I'll be waiting for the thank you phone call " .
The phone call never came.
As it turns out , she is now not on speaking terms with her brother , or her mother .
Coinsidence - I think not . Karma is a B.
As for her job , yeah , she works for Amgen , one of the best Bio-science firms in the world .
And how did she score that job ? By the same S.O.B. that taught her how to : swim , drive a car , manage a bank account etc. , etc. etc..

Ha ha , just venting at the end there .

Kapinga626 · Post by **Kapinga626** » February 1st, 2011, 11:08 pm

J. Adama ,
I can't tell if you're pro Russian or anti- Russian
But being a fair , objectionable guy , I will say that there are some real sweethearts out there .
It just wasn't good for me .
Take care ,

Post by **Winston** » February 1st, 2011, 11:15 pm

Welcome Kapinga626,
I guess I have a question. How do you tell a Russian woman that you're on a budget and that you don't like to waste money, without making her look at you like there is something wrong with you, as though not wanting to waste money is a "bad thing" which to me is bizarro logic?

Russians themselves are stingy and count every rouble, so why do they look down on foreigners who are frugal and don't like to overpay or get ripped off? Shouldn't they be sympathetic to frugal foreigners?

odbo · Post by **odbo** » February 2nd, 2011, 12:35 am

are you sure they're not giving off the cheapass vibes? i know it can be a thin line..

knowing how to save and not being wasteful is not the same as being cheap.
jews are cheap, indians are cheap, i see some "russians" (eastern european) and a lot of chinese grandmas are "damaged goods" from communism. even though their family has plenty of money and they get a state pension, they count literally every penny and have money making schemes like recycling aluminium cans. they often fill them with junk to make them heavier for more cash, ignoring that the cans can't be recycled after that.

i remember reading that out of all immigrants in the US more russians were millionaires than any other, and i think that was per capita too.
however i also read russians are the most despised tourists now, recently surpassing the french & british.
but why are they despised? because they are "ballin' out of control" when they're abroad. maybe they expect tourists in their country to do the same.

i think most foreigners with an IQ over 80 (so mexicans not included) are conservative on daily things, trying to buy things on sale, etc but when it's time to have fun they can relax without sitting there with a calculator ready to have a heart attack.

mentally-ill (cheap) people and indians are heap on everything till the day they die

middle americans are careless with everything. movie theater, carnivals every week. and don't bring food with you, buying a $6 corndog or tap water lemonade is perfectly sensible. nevermind the big stupid suv's that they don't need. i see them at the supermarket picking stuff up and not noticing the "buy one get one free" sign. i'm sure the next day they return to buy more soda.. that's how wasteful they are. but of course until 10 years ago everyone claimed that's what made america's economy the envy of the world

Post by **Winston** » February 2nd, 2011, 1:02 am

The difference between being cheap and spending wisely is a matter of opinion and value judgment. However, the point is that if you resist scams and overpaying and are conscious of your spending and look like you are careful not to get ripped off, many Russian women will become disgusted by that, even if you are simply behaving responsibly. I don't know why, but they do. They prefer a guy who doesn't care about how much he spends, even if he's about to go broke, he should spend his last penny with a smile. That's what many Russian women want to see, and they've told me so directly.

ladislav · Post by **ladislav** » February 2nd, 2011, 6:38 am

i remember reading that out of all immigrants in the US more russians were millionaires than any other, and i think that was per capita too.

I think the main figure is for "Americans by ancestry". And the "Russians" that are referred to in US census are people with names like Goldberg, Lipshitz, Bernstein. In other words, Ashkenazi Jews - these were almost never allowed to live in Russia proper because of the infamous Pale of Settlement - they were either in Ukraine, Lithuania ( these places are "Russia" to Americans)- and then most were either kicked out or left because of pogroms. When they arrived in the US, at the Ellis Island they were classified as Hebrews- rightfully so. Americans were pretty sharp at knowing who is Jewish and who is not.
Then, I think sometime after WWII, Jews disappeared themselves from US censuses and the word Hebrew disappeared as well. And Mr. Levine, Mr. Katz, Mr. Goldstein and Mr. Rosenblum started calling themselves " Russians" (in America, that is) because, you see, a great grandfather came from Belarus because the locals kicked him out during the pogroms and Belarus is Russia- to an American, that is. Now you ask if a name like that is a Russian name or if their faces with big noses like that look Russian. Or if Vilnius is a Russian city.
But by now the US public is so dumbified they will swallow everything. So, yeah, America now has a good 3 million "Russians". Visit your local Hassidic sinagogue to see them.

Any millionaire in the US with the last name such as Ivanov? Or Petrov? Sidorov?

Then, later on, another million Jews had to escape the country. They were never granted Russian nationality by Soviet authorities. Big discrimination because they are a non indigenous population. Internal IDs bear a designation:" Nationality: Hebrew" Many went to Israel or the West also because of racial attacks and no jobs. Russians are pretty sharp and can spot Jewish facial features well. Plus again, last names and the accent are another dead give away. Hair texture and skin color are different, too.

But in America, these Ashkenazi Jews became " white" and "Russians". And Ashkenazis are the smartest people on earth. So, yes, they have the highest income. However, in US censuses, there is no longer a Hebrew designation so a Mr. Abraham Goldenberg is now..a "Russian" in America!

Oy, vey!
Only in the USA!

Enter Ladislav: "That's cause you never bothered to learn the Russian culture first!"

Knowing the culture/language, while not the only factor in success, is a very big one and significantly reduces your chances of being used. If you do not know it, you run a much greater risk of being utilized as a Green Card mule. This does not go in all cases, but generally, one would not be able to mingle with the general female population if one did not speak the language ( can a non English speaking man - I mean someone who does not speak at all, and who does not know anything about the way things are in the US fair well with local women? )and instead attract women who are drawn to you for being a foreigner or an American and those who want to be Americans, too. Unless you are into arts or music and meet someone along those common lines, you run a very big risk. Much much greater than if you went there knowing the language and doing things on their terms. Then your risk would be more or less equal to that of a Russian guy.
Had the OP known the language and the culture and dealt with the ladies on local terms by local rules, yes, that is right, he would have had a much much greater chance of meeting a very mainstream person 99 percent of whom would never leave their country let alone to the US.
Nothing is 100%, of course as there are so many more factors involved.
Most Russians do not like to live outside of their country and those who are attracted to foreigners ( as in people who are non Russian speakers) are usually not your average Russians. This same thing goes for Japan and Thailand. Those who like men who are of other races, that do not speak Japanese or Thai are usually not your average Japanese and/or Thai and are either rebels, have agendas/problems or want to become 'foreigners" too. They are not mainstream people as a rule.

And those who live in America and speak English, are well... Americans. And naturalized ones are often more American than native born ones. And they make up for being treated like shit by men in their countries by being doubly bitchy and double nasty.

Adama · Post by **Adama** » February 2nd, 2011, 4:26 pm

Thanks for the history lesson, Ladi. Always interesting to read more on how they succeeded in subverting the mind of the good Gentile peoples of the world.

Adama · Post by **Adama** » February 2nd, 2011, 4:29 pm

ladislav wrote: Most Russians do not like to live outside of their country and those who are attracted to foreigners ( as in people who are non Russian speakers) are usually not your average Russians. This same thing goes for Japan and Thailand. Those who like men who are of other races, that do not speak Japanese or Thai are usually not your average Japanese and/or Thai and are either rebels, have agendas/problems or want to become 'foreigners" too. They are not mainstream people as a rule.

And those who live in America and speak English, are well... Americans. And naturalized ones are often more American than native born ones. And they make up for being treated like shit by men in their countries by being doubly bitchy and double nasty.

I think you are mostly correct about this, looking back at my own experiences. When I was overseas, I came to realize early on that the European women who spoke English and liked certain types of American music were practically the same as American women. From that point on, I only sought European women who didnt speak any English.

Russian might be a particular difficult one to learn though, since it has much less in common with English than French and German.

Anyhow, Russian women are still notorious gold diggers. You seem to ignore this part. It also seems like from the history lesson you gave that the Baltic women might be tainted with Ashkenazi traits I want nothing to do with.