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Yohan wrote:
September 14th, 2018, 10:22 am
Winston wrote:
September 3rd, 2018, 9:48 pm
The big problems with the Atheist paradigm and model of reality and why you can't adopt it:

1. Atheism provides NO ANSWERS to any big questions about the mysteries of the universe or the creation of it, or our place in it. All it offers is DENIAL. Hence it has no value and is the WEAKEST of all the paradigms.
I do not think, atheism is the weakest of all paradigms. It is at least equal - no religion can prove in any way that a God and afterlife exist.

Atheism - unlike any religion - is into research of the universe.
Religious idiotic bigots tried to silence intelligent people when they started to claim that the earth is not the center of the universe, that the earth is moving around the sun etc. Check out history...

Religion is against research, claiming anything is made by a 'God'. What a cheap excuse is this, it's about being lazy and ignorant, just to push away what might be a not so comfortable truth...

Religion is rather dishonest, if you ask questions, there is no answer, they will tell you something like you don't believe it anyway, why shall I explain it?
A while ago I was asking 'Adama' about the afterlife and was asking him, if the soul has any form of awareness or consciousness and this above is the reply I received.

No religion proves any answer about the universe, just claiming it was 'created'...

Whatever, even if there is a God existing, how is this a proof for any afterlife after the death of a human?

It should be noticed that not all religions point directly to the existence of a God - for example Buddhism.
Many religions just disappeared over time, as humans of those ethnic groups merely died out - like the religions of the ancient Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, Inkas, etc.

To claim a single God is existing, this is not the case with all religions, I think only Jews, Christians and Muslims think in this way and this is because these religions were all created in about the same area - other religions which were created without any connection to that place came to totally different conclusions about what a 'God' could mean.

Interesting, what all religions have together is not really about the existence of a God, but about insisting that there is 'afterlife' after death - so far however there is no proof of any form of the existence of 'soul' and 'afterlife'.
Not true. You've fallen for atheists lies and propaganda, which are easily debunked. Do you only listen to Richard Dawkins and Michael Shermer and no one else? lol

Actually there is some evidence for the afterlife. Have you researched NDE's and Reincarnation? They are well documented at the University of Virginia, which has a whole department on afterlife and consciousness research. Just denying it all or ignoring it all is NOT research. It's just ignorance. Just because YOU are ignorant of the evidence or research does NOT mean it doesn't exist. That's an atheist fallacy. Educated men should know better.

You forget that none of the great scientists were atheists. Not even Galileo or Darwin was atheist. So none of the idols of atheists were atheists, how ironic. LOL

Did you know a Catholic priest invented the Big Bang theory? Newton believed in God or the occult too. I'm not saying all great scientists were religious, but they all believed in a higher power or God or some sort, even if it was just a general belief. Even Einstein and Tesla were not atheists.

The truth is, the greatest scientists and genius minds in history were neither atheists or religious fundamentalists. They all believed in a higher power and that religion was a metaphor for that. Research the works of Carl Jung or Joseph Campbell. That's what the higher IQ geniuses of all time, such as Tesla and DaVinci, believed.

So both you and the religious fundamentalists are wrong. You act as though atheism and religious fundamentalism are the only two choices. That's another fallacy. Why not seek other belief systems that can account for more data? Such as New Age or Theosophy?

There is evidence of the afterlife, but it's not ironclad and controllable. It's mostly suggestive and cirumstantial and anecdotal. But hey, clinical evidence for all medicine is anecdotal in nature anyway and the medical profession accepts that.

You must have missed all the links and documentaries I posted about the afterlife here:

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Where do you get the idea that there's no evidence? Just because atheist dogma says so? You gotta learn to research BOTH sides man, not just one. And denial is not research nor is it a valid argument.

Plus how do you explain NDE's and Reincarnation? There are many compelling cases that cannot be explained by imagination or hallucination. I'm sure you know that. That's been documented for decades by many researchers in many books and documentaries and journals and even university departments like Virginia University. I've posted about this many times before. Shouldn't you try to account for that or find a paradigm that can explain all data, not just some of it?
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fschmidt wrote:
September 14th, 2018, 10:38 am
Congratulations Yohan, you managed to get everything wrong in your post, an achievement even in this crazy forum.

All scientific advances in history came out of religious cultures or recently religious cultures. Once a culture becomes secular, it stops caring about anything except base human desires, so science dies. Isaac Newton was very religious. Science in the West died sometime towards the end of the last century because of the loss of religion. We can see this in the lack of any significant advances in basic science in the last few decades.

Not all religions support an afterlife. I follow the Old Testament which explicitly denies afterlife in Ecclesiastes 3:19-22. The Old Testament promises societal and evolutionary success for moral people.
That depends on which part of the Old Testament you read. Ecclesiastes does have some verses denying an afterlife, but books such as Daniel mention a resurrection of souls. So it depends on which book of the OT you read. If there's no afterlife, what's the point of worshipping God? What do you get for it?

Eastern religions and Theosophy have a middle ground belief. They claim that the soul has layers. Upon death some of those layers disappear, while others continue on. For example, at death your ego and personality die, and your astral body lingers on for a while before it dissipates too. But your higher self or super consciousness, continue on, perhaps in another form.

Plus how do you explain NDE's and Reincarnation? There are many compelling cases that cannot be explained by imagination or hallucination. I'm sure you know that. That's been documented for decades by many researchers in many books and documentaries and journals and even university departments like Virginia University. I've posted about this many times before. Shouldn't you try to account for that or find a paradigm that can explain all data, not just some of it?
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Yohan wrote:
September 14th, 2018, 11:16 am
You mention Isaac Newton, it is questionable if he really was religious - at that time he had no other choice. He was merely careful, otherwise he would be executed for heresy. To think like an atheist at that time meant to risk your life. Religion was forced into people with no way to think otherwise.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious ... aac_Newton
Although born into an Anglican family, by his thirties Newton held a Christian faith that, had it been made public, would not have been considered orthodox by mainstream Christianity;[8] in recent times he has been described as a heretic.[9]
You don't seem to understand. Isaac Newton believed in God but wasn't a church dogmatists. He practiced the occult, which is why he was considered a heretic. He wasn't a modern atheist at all like Richard Dawkins or Michael Shermer or Sam Harris. No way. Obviously an occultist believes in a spiritual dimension and metaphysical reality, and is not a materialist. So obviously Newton isn't one of you. Come on. You are not informed at all man.

In fact there's a lot of material about Newton and the Occult. See these videos below.



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@Yohan and @fschmidt:

Please familiarize yourself with this famous research material below on Reincarnation, NDE's and Afterlife research which are well documented and compelling and been around for decades. (where have you been?) Yet you act like none of this exists for some reason. Why?

First, here is the University of Virginia's survival consciousness department.

https://med.virginia.edu/perceptual-studies/

Their books and media which contain a lot of research and evidence.

https://med.virginia.edu/perceptual-stu ... ops-media/
https://med.virginia.edu/perceptual-stu ... ons/books/

Please research the work of Dr. Ian Stevenson, who researched reincarnation for many years and published many compelling cases of it and is famous for doing so. No skeptic has ever been able to disprove his work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Stevenson

Even the Scientific American magazine wrote an article about his work which was favorable.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/be ... st-cynics/

You guys, all this stuff became popular in mainstream American paranormal subculture in the 1970's. It's old news. Where have you been? (scratching head) Yet you act like none of it exists. WTF? This should be common knowledge for every intellectual and truth seeker. What's your excuse for not knowing something which every other intellectual does and which has been mainstream in American paranormal subculture since the 1970's?

Finally, check out this new lecture and presentation by Dr. Bruce Greyson, one of the top experts in NDE studies, in India where he presents about a dozen types of evidence/arguments that NDE's are proof of the survival of consciousness beyond physical death, and that consciousness is not dependent on brain. The evidence he gives is mind blowing and very compelling and persuasive, enough to convince even the most closed minded skeptics, which cannot possibly refute any of this. Show this to any skeptic or atheist and they will be forced to change their beliefs for sure.



From now on, can you stop pretending that none of this exists? There's no excuse now. Geez. I'm tired of having to repeat everything here. Why do men like to pretend they are ignorant? HappyGuy was right when he said that women and children are more open to new ideas and evidence, whereas men are rigid and narrow and not open to new ideas at all, even if they are good or compelling. Why are men like that? Even in paranormal or horror movies, the men are always the ones who deny that anything paranormal or supernatural is going on, and of course, later on they are proven wrong in a poetic justice type of way. But not only in the movies, in real life too, such skeptical disbelieving "rational men" who refuse to believe in anything they can't see and that "everything must have a rational explanation" are proven wrong as well.
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Some interesting ebooks that refute Atheism and its arguments. Download links and description below.

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Atheism on Trial: Refuting the Modern Arguments Against God - Louis Markos

Dr. Louis Markos confronts the modern-day atheists' claims that new evidence disproves the existence of God. In fact, you will find that the "proof" they claim is not new at all. Rather, they recycle old claims that have already been disproven by Philosophers and Christian thinkers of the past...claims that can be silenced today with the same solid logic.

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Although vast and complex, the universe is orderly in many ways, and conditions at its beginning were right for the eventual evolution of life on this planet. But with life there is death, and with sentient life there is great pain and suffering, often with no apparent justification or purpose. Taking these things together, is it reasonable to conclude that the universe was brought about by God? Moreover, does the magnitude of seemingly pointless suffering square with the idea that God exists, or is it good reason to think there is no God? These questions come up for many people, not just religious believers, and are examined in this engaging and thought-provoking book.

Starting out with no pre-disposition to theism, atheism, or agnosticism, God, Evil, and Design takes up these questions in order to see where an impartial investigation leads. To achieve impartiality, the reader is invited to simulate ignorance insofar as his or her own religious preference is concerned. With this approach, God, Evil, and Design provides both a fresh look at important and controversial issues in philosophy and an excellent introduction to the contemporary debates surrounding them. Lively and non-technical, this book will be accessible to anyone with an interest in these topics.

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“O’Connor’s book ranks with the very best of the many introductions to the philosophy of religion that have been published over the past several decades. His selection and discussion of two main topics, the problem of evil, and the apparent design of the universe, convey especially well the importance of the question of God’s existence.” Quentin Smith, Western Michigan University

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Although vast and complex, the universe is orderly in many ways, and conditions at its beginning were right for the eventual evolution of life on this planet. But with life there is death, and with sentient life there is great pain and suffering, often with no apparent justification or purpose. Taking these things together, is it reasonable to conclude that the universe was brought about by God? Moreover, does the magnitude of seemingly pointless suffering square with the idea that God exists, or is it good reason to think there is no God? These questions come up for many people, not just religious believers, and are examined in this engaging and thought-provoking book.
Starting out with no pre-disposition to theism, atheism, or agnosticism, God, Evil, and Design takes up these questions in order to see where an impartial investigation leads. To achieve impartiality, the reader is invited to simulate ignorance insofar as his or her own religious preference is concerned. With this approach, God, Evil, and Design provides both a fresh look at important and controversial issues in philosophy and an excellent introduction to the contemporary debates surrounding them. Lively and non-technical, this book will be accessible to anyone with an interest in these topics.

About the Author
David O'Connor is Professor of Philosophy at Seton Hall University, and the author of three books, including Hume on Religion (2001), God and Inscrutable Evil (1998) and The Metaphysics of G.E. Moore (1982).
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