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Yohan wrote:
September 14th, 2018, 10:22 am
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September 3rd, 2018, 9:48 pm
The big problems with the Atheist paradigm and model of reality and why you can't adopt it:

1. Atheism provides NO ANSWERS to any big questions about the mysteries of the universe or the creation of it, or our place in it. All it offers is DENIAL. Hence it has no value and is the WEAKEST of all the paradigms.
I do not think, atheism is the weakest of all paradigms. It is at least equal - no religion can prove in any way that a God and afterlife exist.

Atheism - unlike any religion - is into research of the universe.
Religious idiotic bigots tried to silence intelligent people when they started to claim that the earth is not the center of the universe, that the earth is moving around the sun etc. Check out history...

Religion is against research, claiming anything is made by a 'God'. What a cheap excuse is this, it's about being lazy and ignorant, just to push away what might be a not so comfortable truth...

Religion is rather dishonest, if you ask questions, there is no answer, they will tell you something like you don't believe it anyway, why shall I explain it?
A while ago I was asking 'Adama' about the afterlife and was asking him, if the soul has any form of awareness or consciousness and this above is the reply I received.

No religion proves any answer about the universe, just claiming it was 'created'...

Whatever, even if there is a God existing, how is this a proof for any afterlife after the death of a human?

It should be noticed that not all religions point directly to the existence of a God - for example Buddhism.
Many religions just disappeared over time, as humans of those ethnic groups merely died out - like the religions of the ancient Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, Inkas, etc.

To claim a single God is existing, this is not the case with all religions, I think only Jews, Christians and Muslims think in this way and this is because these religions were all created in about the same area - other religions which were created without any connection to that place came to totally different conclusions about what a 'God' could mean.

Interesting, what all religions have together is not really about the existence of a God, but about insisting that there is 'afterlife' after death - so far however there is no proof of any form of the existence of 'soul' and 'afterlife'.
Not true. You've fallen for atheists lies and propaganda, which are easily debunked. Do you only listen to Richard Dawkins and Michael Shermer and no one else? lol

Actually there is some evidence for the afterlife. Have you researched NDE's and Reincarnation? They are well documented at the University of Virginia, which has a whole department on afterlife and consciousness research. Just denying it all or ignoring it all is NOT research. It's just ignorance. Just because YOU are ignorant of the evidence or research does NOT mean it doesn't exist. That's an atheist fallacy. Educated men should know better.

You forget that none of the great scientists were atheists. Not even Galileo or Darwin was atheist. So none of the idols of atheists were atheists, how ironic. LOL

Did you know a Catholic priest invented the Big Bang theory? Newton believed in God or the occult too. I'm not saying all great scientists were religious, but they all believed in a higher power or God or some sort, even if it was just a general belief. Even Einstein and Tesla were not atheists.

The truth is, the greatest scientists and genius minds in history were neither atheists or religious fundamentalists. They all believed in a higher power and that religion was a metaphor for that. Research the works of Carl Jung or Joseph Campbell. That's what the higher IQ geniuses of all time, such as Tesla and DaVinci, believed.

So both you and the religious fundamentalists are wrong. You act as though atheism and religious fundamentalism are the only two choices. That's another fallacy. Why not seek other belief systems that can account for more data? Such as New Age or Theosophy?

There is evidence of the afterlife, but it's not ironclad and controllable. It's mostly suggestive and cirumstantial and anecdotal. But hey, clinical evidence for all medicine is anecdotal in nature anyway and the medical profession accepts that.

You must have missed all the links and documentaries I posted about the afterlife here:

viewtopic.php?f=15&t=8788
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=7149

Where do you get the idea that there's no evidence? Just because atheist dogma says so? You gotta learn to research BOTH sides man, not just one. And denial is not research nor is it a valid argument.

Plus how do you explain NDE's and Reincarnation? There are many compelling cases that cannot be explained by imagination or hallucination. I'm sure you know that. That's been documented for decades by many researchers in many books and documentaries and journals and even university departments like Virginia University. I've posted about this many times before. Shouldn't you try to account for that or find a paradigm that can explain all data, not just some of it?
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September 14th, 2018, 10:38 am
Congratulations Yohan, you managed to get everything wrong in your post, an achievement even in this crazy forum.

All scientific advances in history came out of religious cultures or recently religious cultures. Once a culture becomes secular, it stops caring about anything except base human desires, so science dies. Isaac Newton was very religious. Science in the West died sometime towards the end of the last century because of the loss of religion. We can see this in the lack of any significant advances in basic science in the last few decades.

Not all religions support an afterlife. I follow the Old Testament which explicitly denies afterlife in Ecclesiastes 3:19-22. The Old Testament promises societal and evolutionary success for moral people.
That depends on which part of the Old Testament you read. Ecclesiastes does have some verses denying an afterlife, but books such as Daniel mention a resurrection of souls. So it depends on which book of the OT you read. If there's no afterlife, what's the point of worshipping God? What do you get for it?

Eastern religions and Theosophy have a middle ground belief. They claim that the soul has layers. Upon death some of those layers disappear, while others continue on. For example, at death your ego and personality die, and your astral body lingers on for a while before it dissipates too. But your higher self or super consciousness, continue on, perhaps in another form.

Plus how do you explain NDE's and Reincarnation? There are many compelling cases that cannot be explained by imagination or hallucination. I'm sure you know that. That's been documented for decades by many researchers in many books and documentaries and journals and even university departments like Virginia University. I've posted about this many times before. Shouldn't you try to account for that or find a paradigm that can explain all data, not just some of it?
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You mention Isaac Newton, it is questionable if he really was religious - at that time he had no other choice. He was merely careful, otherwise he would be executed for heresy. To think like an atheist at that time meant to risk your life. Religion was forced into people with no way to think otherwise.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious ... aac_Newton
Although born into an Anglican family, by his thirties Newton held a Christian faith that, had it been made public, would not have been considered orthodox by mainstream Christianity;[8] in recent times he has been described as a heretic.[9]
You don't seem to understand. Isaac Newton believed in God but wasn't a church dogmatists. He practiced the occult, which is why he was considered a heretic. He wasn't a modern atheist at all like Richard Dawkins or Michael Shermer or Sam Harris. No way. Obviously an occultist believes in a spiritual dimension and metaphysical reality, and is not a materialist. So obviously Newton isn't one of you. Come on. You are not informed at all man.

In fact there's a lot of material about Newton and the Occult. See these videos below.



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@Yohan and @fschmidt:

Please familiarize yourself with this famous research material below on Reincarnation, NDE's and Afterlife research which are well documented and compelling and been around for decades. (where have you been?) Yet you act like none of this exists for some reason. Why?

First, here is the University of Virginia's survival consciousness department.

https://med.virginia.edu/perceptual-studies/

Their books and media which contain a lot of research and evidence.

https://med.virginia.edu/perceptual-stu ... ops-media/
https://med.virginia.edu/perceptual-stu ... ons/books/

Please research the work of Dr. Ian Stevenson, who researched reincarnation for many years and published many compelling cases of it and is famous for doing so. No skeptic has ever been able to disprove his work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Stevenson

Even the Scientific American magazine wrote an article about his work which was favorable.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/be ... st-cynics/

You guys, all this stuff became popular in mainstream American paranormal subculture in the 1970's. It's old news. Where have you been? (scratching head) Yet you act like none of it exists. WTF? This should be common knowledge for every intellectual and truth seeker. What's your excuse for not knowing something which every other intellectual does and which has been mainstream in American paranormal subculture since the 1970's?

Finally, check out this new lecture and presentation by Dr. Bruce Greyson, one of the top experts in NDE studies, in India where he presents about a dozen types of evidence/arguments that NDE's are proof of the survival of consciousness beyond physical death, and that consciousness is not dependent on brain. The evidence he gives is mind blowing and very compelling and persuasive, enough to convince even the most closed minded skeptics, which cannot possibly refute any of this. Show this to any skeptic or atheist and they will be forced to change their beliefs for sure.



From now on, can you stop pretending that none of this exists? There's no excuse now. Geez. I'm tired of having to repeat everything here. Why do men like to pretend they are ignorant? HappyGuy was right when he said that women and children are more open to new ideas and evidence, whereas men are rigid and narrow and not open to new ideas at all, even if they are good or compelling. Why are men like that? Even in paranormal or horror movies, the men are always the ones who deny that anything paranormal or supernatural is going on, and of course, later on they are proven wrong in a poetic justice type of way. But not only in the movies, in real life too, such skeptical disbelieving "rational men" who refuse to believe in anything they can't see and that "everything must have a rational explanation" are proven wrong as well.
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Starting out with no pre-disposition to theism, atheism, or agnosticism, God, Evil, and Design takes up these questions in order to see where an impartial investigation leads. To achieve impartiality, the reader is invited to simulate ignorance insofar as his or her own religious preference is concerned. With this approach, God, Evil, and Design provides both a fresh look at important and controversial issues in philosophy and an excellent introduction to the contemporary debates surrounding them. Lively and non-technical, this book will be accessible to anyone with an interest in these topics.

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To any Atheists here:

Keep in mind that while you may be right that organized religion is bunk and a control system, hard core atheism is also bunk and bollocks too.

For example random forces and blind chance can NEVER create things like the origin of life, human consciousness or intelligent design of the human body (which must have been created top down, not bottom up).

Thus atheism explains nothing and is highly lacking too.

Two huge thorns you cannot remove from your side are:

1. Life always comes from life. Never from non-life. The chicken and the egg closed circle loop means that the Creator must have come from outside the cycle.

2. Randomness can never in a gazillion years or eternity create complex patterns, order, design or complexity. At best chance can create very simple patterns but NEVER complex patterns such as human anatomy or human DNA. The discoverer of DNA Francis Cricke admitted this too and said evolution could never create something as complex as human DNA and RNA. Likewise random typing can never create an entire Encyclopedia Britannica. Not in a trillion years or eternity. NEVER.

Thus, If you choose to remain atheist then understand that those two huge thorns will be in your side for the rest of your life. Even famous atheists like Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris and Christopher Hitchens cannot explain away those 2 thorns, and they never have either in any of their books. So if you wanna be logical and rational and honest, you should look for another belief system, something less extreme. Doesn't mean u should turn to religion of course, because religion is rife with problems and was created by man too, but atheism definitely doesn't cut it either. Understand that.

Furthermore, if you saw the Science Uprising series i posted long ago you would no longer be an atheist. You still never saw that? The series explains what i mean in easy to understand videos geared toward average people. Even dumb people could understand it. Yet you guys are intelligent, so there's no excuse.

Moreover keep in mind that none of the greatest geniuses in world history were atheists. Einstein, Tesla, Edison, Leonardo Da Vinci, Ben Franklin, Isaac Newton, etc all believed in a higher power but not organized religion. Same as me and Alex. So we are in good company, while you are not. That should tell u something, that if the smartest people in the world know that atheism isn't the ultimate truth, then they are probably right. Think about it.

Also none of the heros of atheism such as Darwin, Galileo or Newton were atheists. They all believed in God in general even if they didnt believe in the Bible. Every great scientist in history was a theist. Never an atheist. That should tell u something too. Think about it.

A smart wise person would definitely decide its time to look for another paradigm. Think about it next time youre in a quiet place and you'll understand what i mean.

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Here again is the link to Science Uprising. Watch it⁩ and you are guaranteed to change your atheist beliefs. Heres the playlist to all 15 episodes of Science Uprising. Each episode is short and packed with great new info and discoveries that disprove materialism and atheism. Wow. Its about time someone put all this together finally!

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Well-known scientists have been preaching a materialistic worldview rather than presenting the public with all the evidence. We are here to change that. The objective scientific evidence does not prove our universe is blind and purposeless. It does not show we are simply meat machines. It does not prove that evolutionary mechanisms can completely account for the diversity of life on earth.

Think for yourself and make an informed decision.

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Keep in mind atheists, that religion is not 100% false, it contains some truths mixed with lies. You see nothing that is 100% false can sell well. The only way to sell effectively is to mix truth with lies. For example a used car salesman cannot sell cars with 100% lies. To sell cars he has to mix truth with lies. Same with religion and the Bible. Etc. Hence extreme views like dogmatic atheism or materialism are most certainly wrong. You can bet on that. Extremes are never right nor the best answer.
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Question for atheists like @Yohan and @MarcosZeitola:

Consider this: Open up the computer you have. Look at the hardware inside. You can tell it was intelligently designed. Not put together at random. Look at a computer program. Was it typed randomly? Of course not. It was typed intelligently. Now look at human anatomy and human DNA. Its a million times more complicated than a computer. So how could it be put together randomly by random chemicals colliding randomly? Its 1000 percent impossible and dumber than dumb. Even children know better..so why do most university professors and most math and science geeks believe it? It boggles the mind.

Even the discoverer of DNA francis cricke said theres no way in hell DNA could be formed by evolution. No way.

Thus atheism is the weakest belief system in the world. Why choose it? Just because religion has flaws and used to control people doesnt mean atheism is the truth. Thats jumping from one extreme to the other. Extremes are never the truth. Truth is usually in the middle. Never on any extreme.

Think about this for a while. Youre an experienced expat. Most wise people your age and over usually say that they've seen enough in life to know that theres a higher power for sure. How come youre an exception? You fall for atheistic lies so easily. Why?

A big THORN in your side you will never get out is this:

Randomness will NEVER ever in a gazillion years create complex patterns. it will create simple patterns at best. For example a hundred monkeys typing for a gazilion years can only create very short sentences. Never long ones and never whole paragraphs and certainly never an entire encyclopedia. Its been mathematically calculated. Thus atheism is impossible. There has to be an intelligent designer or designers at work in creation. Whether its god or gods or computer programmers creating a simulation, or something unfathomable, either way its definitely not randomness or purposeless. No question about it. Its a no brainer.

Think about it and u will see that ur atheism is 1000 percent false and so is academia and reductionist science and its cult followers. U should have figured this out long ago. Why havent you? You got a lot of life experience im sure. So how do u explain that? It boggles my mind. You might as well believe that ur computer hardware was put together at random with no purpose or design. Yet u know thats absurd. So why do u think atheism is the truth and that the universe was put together randomly without design or purpose? Its the weirdest mystery. Ask yourself this question.

2 obvious fallacies to keep in mind from famous atheist illogical morons like Stephen Hawking and Richard Dawkins:

1. Just because science understandings how something works doesnt mean theres no creator. Thats like saying that just because we understand how a car engine works that Henry Ford never existed. We all know thats absurd. So Dawkins and Hawking are total morons.

Theres no conflict between science and religion. Thats artificial and a false dichotomy. Galileo and Newton never thought there was. Neither did any of the greatest scientists or inventors or geniuses in history.

2. Just because God lets people suffer unjustly and allows evil doesnt mean he doesnt exist. That's like saying that just because your dad is an asshole and neglects you means he never existed. No one would buy that. Not even a child would, even if it applied to the child's father. Tell a child that because his father abandoned him that it means he never existed and that he was created by random chemicals in a pool of mud. The child would never accept something that dumb and bogus. So why do most university professors do? Such as Dr. Bart Ehrman? It totally boggles the mind. You gotta have a negative 1000 IQ to believe that. Care to explain?

Likewise, its like saying that because you and your dad have disagreements about how he runs things that therefore he doesnt exist. Again thats bogus and dumb and sheer desperation to try to fool people that no creator exists.

You sound like intelligent experienced educated expats. So how do u explain these absurd things that are dumber than dumb that require a minus IQ to buy? Or have u never even thought about all this? Lol

Can you guys give some honest intelligent answers please? Other atheists ive asked ran away in fear and were dumbfounded once their lunacy was exposed. Will u do the same or can u give me some honest answers to these baffling questions that defy all reason and logic.
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Do you have any answers to the questions above?

Keep in mind that if everything were a coincidence we would not exist or be here, because randomness can NEVER create life or complexity. Never. Not in a gazillion years. So we cannot be the result of random molecules colliding together without purpose. That's an atheist philosophy with zero proof and has hijacked the science community too of course. But that doesn't make it true if there's no evidence to support it.

Keep that in mind and you will see that chance and coincidence cannot explain everything or anything at all. Look at the big picture and learn to let go of your rigid beliefs if the data doesn't fit or if it doesn't make sense or doesn't feel right. Atheists need to learn that their beliefs do not have to be fixed. Look around you, do you honestly feel that everything is here by accident and random chance only???
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One more BIG fallacy of atheists:

They seem to assume that just because there are many flaws and problems and implausibilities in Christianity and the Bible and organized religions, that therefore:

- Total Atheism must be the truth and the remedy.
- No creator or architect or intelligent designer of any kind must exist.
- No soul or spirit exists. Consciousness is a by product of the brain only.
- No spirit world exists.
- No ghosts or spirits exist.
- No psychic phenomena exist.
- No afterlife exists. Or reincarnation either.
- No higher power exists.
- Only the material world exists.
- Anything that contradicts the above is automatically dismissed as BS or bunk, no matter how true, valid or legit, and ridiculed and scoffed at too of course. No exceptions.

You see how ludicrous that is? It's an unwarranted jump of course, and one that makes no sense and is too overly extreme too. But no one seems to dare point this out to them, especially the media or academics. They all jump on the atheist bandwagon like it's cool and trendy. It's very weird and Orwellian. It's as if everyone is a mind controlled zombie now and will jump on any trendy bandwagon even if it makes no sense at all and is utterly ludicrous and in this case, a HUGE unwarranted jump.

Problems with religion or Christianity or the Bible definitely do NOT lead to the above extreme conclusions. But atheists want to trick you into thinking that it does of course, because they are desperate to have you believe in a godless universe at any cost, even if they have to lie to you or give you the most bogus arguments. I can't believe that many people fall for it, including academics, professors, math/science geeks, modern trendy liberals, etc. It boggles the mind and seems like the Twilight Zone. How can everyone be that dumb to believe something that a child would not accept? The world must be raving mad.

Why not take a middle ground and believe in God or a spirit world and the human soul without having to adopt any man made organized religion? After all, the truth tends to be somewhere in the middle on such issues, not on either extreme. New Agers try to have spirituality without religion of course, but their movement has become too commercialized with self help BS and woo woo that make them look bad, credulous and uncredible. Plus there is too much religion in New Age now (though it's unofficial) in the form of fixed religious beliefs, that New Agers now tend to believe whatever is popular in their movement now and don't even think for themselves anymore. Thus ironically these New Age "freespirits" now have a hive mind and group mind that they conform to. Eastern spirituality is another option of course but there's lots of different types of it, some of which are atheistic or agnostic too. Either way, atheists and most scientists and academia still want you to make the unwarranted jump above.

What do you think @Neo and @MrMan and @gsjackson?
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I split this topic because it became focused on proofs for God's existence. So I created a new topic thread for that. See the new thread here:

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Some new videos by Darryl Sloan where he explains more about the core flaws in Atheism. Like me, he also believes that neither Atheism nor Christian Fundamentalism are the answer, as both are very flawed and deficient and relies on false assumptions.




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Keep in mind that all the greatest geniuses in history like Einstein, Tesla, DaVinci, Swedenborg, Ben Franklin, Thomas Edison, Isaac Newton, Mark Twain, Carl Jung, etc were neither atheists nor Christian fundamentalists. They saw both extremes as hogwash. They all believed in a higher power or God but believed that the bible should be taken metaphorically, not literally. Same as me. So I'm definitely in good company, as the greatest geniuses and minds in history agree with me and hold the same views.

This means that the smarter or more brilliant someone is, the more they see through atheism as hogwash and fundamentalist Christianity as well. Keep that in mind. Its very revealing.

The lesson here is that the truth tends to be in the middle. Not on either extreme. Both Christians and atheists need to understand this. But university debates tend to portray a false dichotomy as if the only two choices were atheism and Christian fundamentalism.

Think about this.
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Re: The Problems With Atheists and Atheism

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Question for Atheists:

It's obvious to anyone that this universe and matrix is designed and not by random chance or accident. It's common sense and instinctive. Even children sense that. So why do you deny it and suppress it and try to pretend the opposite, which is totally unnatural? Everyone knows randomness and unguided processes cannot create life or specified complexity - like computer hardware or software code, or human anatomy or DNA which is the software code of life. Even a child knows that. Yet most university professors actually believe that, or claim to. Go figure. But atheism requires you to believe that life came by chance only via unguided processes, and the universe too. It's the most absurd idea in the world. So why do you promulgate it against all reason, instinct and common sense? How exactly does randomness create order, complexity, patterns and design? Atheists never answer that and always dodge this question. Not even unguided natural processes can create design.

I'm not saying you ought to believe the Bible and become religious. I'm not into organized religion either. But clearly we are NOT here by chance or accident without purpose. That's all I'm saying. So how do you manage to convince yourself that we are a "cosmic accident"? Deep down I'm sure you know it's not really true. But somehow you convince yourself of it or you lie to yourself. The truth you don't want to face is the fact that Macro-Evolution is not observable or testable, it's purely composed of presupposed assumptions only. Thus it's philosophy, not science, and never been proven in actuality. There's no way around it, no matter how much you try to deny it.

I also don't get how someone with a living soul comes to believe that their own soul doesn't exist? Doesn't that defy basic logic? I can only conclude that atheists who really believe that either have dead souls, no souls, or are just AI consciousness with an artificial mind like an NPC (non-player character in a video game) or organic portal. Also, since the existence of God is imprinted in our souls, how do you deny it? Surely you must be of a different creature than those with living souls and divine essence, or at least beings with higher consciousness.

No offense, but I've never met any atheist that was truly warm, kind and loving. They've always been dry and odd and artificial, not natural or down-to-earth. That's not surprising and what I would have expected. They seem to be missing something. It's as if they're not all there, like something has been "gutted out of them". Like the logos or spirit has been yanked out of them. They are like the soulless clones in the movie "Invasion of the Body Snatchers". Maybe that's what too much liberalism, socialism and communism does to them?
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What atheists don't realize is that if everything is random, then the whole universe would not have any form, structure, design or life at all. Everything would just be a swirling mass of atoms floating around randomly for all eternity. Or nothing would exist at all. Either way they lose and are in an impossible indefensible position. Their position is the weakest of all positions. Hence they must be amazingly dumb. No sane person would base randomness as their religion. It's very unnatural and inhuman. You gotta wonder if these atheists are just NPCs and computer programs with no soul. That's why they love science and math so much and don't need spirituality to fill their "soul", as if science can fill one's soul. Very weird , bizarre, and unnatural. After all, who with a real soul would claim the soul doesn't exist? Why would a self-aware being deny being self-aware? It makes no sense and is self-refuting.
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Re: The Problems With Atheists and Atheism

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Science denialism is not ideal. For the soul we have love, literature and music.
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