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pandabear wrote:http://www.fromthetrenchesworldreport.c ... ews/101442

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I haven't examined any alleles on the DNA strands. I have watched documentaries and heard an academic lecture on the topic. Apparently, there is a 'Jewish gene' shared by some of the returned Diaspora Jews and some of the Palestinians. The Palestinians could be comprised partly of ethnic Jews who converted to Islam. Traditionally, though, the Palestinians are believed to be Edomites, descendants of Jacob/Israel's brother Esau. If the Jewish genes they are looking at go back to Isaac and/or Rebecca, then the Palestinians may be Edomites, whose ancestrial home is in Jordan.

There is also research suggesting that European Jews immigrated out of the Jewish community in Rome, and that they married local women. Among the Ashkenazi Jews, there is a male Semetic gene that is common amongst most of them, but the female genes are 'Gentile.' One Jewish commentator commented that by Talmudic law, unless these women converted, the Ashkaniz Jews might not be considered real Jews. By Biblical law they might well be though (the latter is my comment, not his.)

I've read or heard there is about 5% Khazar DNA.

Excellent article.

the population of Judea

That's a key thing. as far as I understand, back then there was no thing as "jews" or "judaism", but instead some people practiced 'pharisaism'.
Judean would just refer to someone from Judea.

Today's "Jew" concept seems pretty much self-referential. Even the star of David is a modern acquisition.

MrMan wrote:Traditionally, though, the Palestinians are believed to be Edomites, descendants of Jacob/Israel's brother Esau. If the Jewish genes they are looking at go back to Isaac and/or Rebecca, then the Palestinians may be Edomites, whose ancestrial home is in Jordan.

You're sure not Philistines? Philistine sounds like Palestine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edom

During the revolt of the Maccabees against the Seleucid kingdom (early 2nd century BE), II Maccabees refers to a Seleucid general named Gorgias as "Governor of Idumaea"; whether he was a Greek or a Hellenized Edomite is unknown. Some scholars maintain that the reference to Idumaea in that passage is an error altogether. Judas Maccabeus conquered their territory for a time in around 163 BC.[35] They were again subdued by John Hyrcanus (c. 125 BC), who forcibly converted them, among others, to Judaism[36] and incorporated them into the Jewish nation,[17] despite the opposition of the Pharisees. Antipater the Idumaean, the progenitor of the Herodian Dynasty along with Judean progenitors, that ruled Judea after the Roman conquest, was of mixed Edomite/Judean origin. Under Herod the Great Idumaea province was ruled for him by a series of governors, among whom were his brother Joseph ben Antipater and his brother-in-law Costobarus.

The evangelist Mark[37] includes Idumea, along with Judea, Jerusalem, Tyre, Sidon and lands east of the Jordan as the communities from which the disciples of Jesus were drawn.

According to Josephus, the siege of Jerusalem by Titus, 20,000 Idumaeans, under the leadership of John, Simeon, Phinehas, and Jacob, helped the Zealots fight for independence from Rome, who were besieged in the Temple.[38] See Zealot Temple Siege for more information. After the Jewish Wars, the Idumaean people are no longer mentioned in history, though the geographical region of "Idumea" is still referred to at the time of St. Jerome.

The Edomites seem basically to have become Jews.

Western Europeans are also true descendants of Hebrews(lost tribes of Israel) that were driven out of Jerusalem by the Assyrians and Babylonians.

Faces Of Basques
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYWD2ERVKyI

The best read I have had on this is " The invention of the Jewish people" by Shalmo Sand. I think we have all been conned by some pretty slick con artist who have hijacked the bible for political purposes.

I know some people do not want to believe they have been duped but 12 years ago I was curious as to who we owed all this money too and I punched in Federal Debt and it opened Pandora's box that said the Rothschild's had seized control of the worlds main power structures by the mid 1800's and they were busy taking control of all media world wide and rewriting history and were also in business with some other select mob bosses who were all taking over this rock one step at a time.

I am afraid we have all been seriously mislead of our real history and especially the religious kook's who believe that nonsense as the bible being actual events, people and the likes related to made up scripture and that the bible is the real word and physical acts of some mythical super being God the Father.

That is the plan, herd the ignorant masses with their own stupid beliefs in order to move them the desired direction like cattle and take the world over in the name of god's work and throw in other dumb made up stuff like the" war on terror " as another phase of this process to further manipulate the dumbed down masses and seize control of all worldly assets of any value in the process.

This is what our rulers are attempting to do, create another divide and conquer war of past centuries only bigger on a world scale. We are going to see if anybody has learned anything over centuries past or as recently pointed out in another thread people are becoming stupider and the IQ's are going lower on this planet and the stupidity of the masses reigns the world to oblivion.

It's up to the masses to find their a$$es and figure it out, keep your fingers crossed!

pandabear wrote:http://www.fromthetrenchesworldreport.c ... ews/101442

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stuff we see on the net or read in books is always good for shits and giggles. One person will say one thing, another will say something completely different. Often the more outrageous the story the more likely it is to be believed.

You can bet the DNA testing funded by the elites of the west is for sure rigged just like they rigged the Genome findings to say all races are the same, they are making the made up story of the bible appear to be real and true because they are attempting to pacify billions as they lay down the one world socialist system to manage the cattle as stated in " the Learned Elders of Zion ".

Moretorque wrote:You can bet the DNA testing funded by the elites of the west is for sure rigged just like they rigged the Genome findings to say all races are the same,

I think that they are finding that different races have different genetics. Otherwise, why would they have said that Craig Cobb was an octoroon, if there were no genetic differences by race?

Moretorque wrote: they are making the made up story of the bible appear to be real and true because they are attempting to pacify billions as they lay down the one world socialist system to manage the cattle as stated in " the Learned Elders of Zion ".

Actually, the article is claiming that a lot of the Jews are not actual descendents of Abraham, which would make at least their understanding of their biblical lineage false.

pandabear wrote:

Moretorque wrote:You can bet the DNA testing funded by the elites of the west is for sure rigged just like they rigged the Genome findings to say all races are the same,

I think that they are finding that different races have different genetics. Otherwise, why would they have said that Craig Cobb was an octoroon, if there were no genetic differences by race?

Moretorque wrote: they are making the made up story of the bible appear to be real and true because they are attempting to pacify billions as they lay down the one world socialist system to manage the cattle as stated in " the Learned Elders of Zion ".

Actually, the article is claiming that a lot of the Jews are not actual descendents of Abraham, which would make at least their understanding of their biblical lineage false.

I am talking about the way our rulers had Bill Clinton come out and say we were all the same genetically before they starting dropping all the borders and mixing us together so the rainbow color spectrum will turn brown quick.

As far as the bible the same thing. They are attempting to make it appear their is a coherent tribe of God and the state of Israel being put together is Gods work and Gods peoples homeland. It is all a fabrication to dupe and herd and the real story is the bible is a fictional piece of literature but is coming true in a lot of ways because man is just repeating history and the people who wrote it new how predictable man is. As stated those who do not know their history are destined to repeat it and the vast majority don't and repeat it.

When did Bill Clinton say that? I don't remember it.

Palestineans are the descendants of Jews partly, but there was huge admixture in that area. Most Jews were kicked out by the Romans, anyway and resettled around the empire. Only some Jews stayed. Turks,Greeks, and the huge Arab invasion took place in Palestine. All mixed together, most converted to Islam and changed names to Arabic names. Self identified as Arabs. Seen by Arabs as Arabs, too.
Arab and Jewish genes are 50 percent the same, anyway. All Semites share the same genes.

According to that article, though, most Jews who lived in Judea actually stayed in Judea after the Roman war (I previously thought that the Romans had depopulated the place).

There were already Jewish communities elsewhere, in both the Roman and Persian empires, and in between. A big one in Alexandria (to which one Gospel account has Joseph and Mary fleeing with Jesus).

pandabear wrote:When did Bill Clinton say that? I don't remember it.

Back around 2000 when the human Genome was just mapped and completed he came out and said the Genome was so close we were all the same. This was a lie because our rulers were going to undemocratically start lowering all the borders and mix all of us together so we would lose all our identities as different distinct people. They are doing it primarily more so in western countries because they know the only group of people they believe can upset the elites plans are their own kind other Europeans.

This is a carefully orchestrated plan for total world domination by controlling the purchasing tickets of all the worlds economies as stated in the 10 planks of the communist manifesto under plank #5.