Winston, this is complete nonsense. That whole notion completely negates the entire reason for the religion then. The religion itself can't even have an objective. In order to make something an objective, you must first desire it. The only exception would be if someone could completely lack desire and obtain Nirvana without having known that such a state ever existed. That is the only way a person could reach nirvana without desiring it. Because simply abstaining from desire itself isn't a natural state of being for any man. We automatically desire things, and there is not one person who has ever been born who has not had desire.Winston wrote:LOL Adama, it's obvious that you haven't read any good Buddhist books. Because that question is usually addressed and mentioned in any good Buddhist book. Yeah, you are not supposed to have "desire" for nirvana either, otherwise it will block you from it. It's an oxymoron. Nirvana is supposed to be a blissful state free from desire. So you can't get in by having the "desire" to get in. lol. You are supposed to get in naturally without wanting to, they say. lolAdama wrote:Why do Buddhists seek Nirvana when they aren't supposed to be seeking after anything because they're supposed to remove all desire? Don't Buddhists desire nirvana? No suffering involved in the desire for nirvana?
But then again, what's the point of life without desire? Without desire, there's no joy or sorrow or any feeling at all. Without emotions, you are no longer truly alive or human. You become numb like a robot. It's another form of "Brave New World" albeit a spiritual version of it. lol
Basically using your logic, nirvana is just a state that you would have to fall into unaware. It cannot have been a conscious choice. The conscious choice is to avoid desire, but it isn't the natural choice. The natural choice is desire, and lots of it.
After the person has decided they WANT nirvana, they have already defeated themselves. They desired nirvana, which itself must lead to suffering by other precepts of this doctrine of devils.
You can't achieve Nirvana without having first wanted it. Anything else is simply to PRETEND (even self-deception) that one's actions are not because they desire nirvana. They want nirvana, but they act as if they haven't made that decision to chase after it by losing desire for everything else. Their last and supposedly only desire is nirvana. How do we know? Because these fools supposedly have shed their desire for everything else.
Their desire to end all desire is a desire unto itself. The desire to do away with all desire is not only impossible. It is also a desire. The desire to end suffering is a desire. The desire to stop suffering to reach nirvana is desire. Desire is suffering.
Desiring nirvana however is not suffering?
You've been deceived once again, dear Winston, kind friend.