Did Jesus Christ Exist as a historical person? If so, who was he?

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Dr. David Skrbina talks about the Jesus hoax on MythVision podcast.

Time-stamps:
0:00: Introduction
3:34: What separates Dr. Skrbina from other liberal scholars
12:43: Dr. Skrbina’s basic argument
18:38: The first problem: lack of evidence
24:21: The second problem: chronology
27:33: The historical context of Jesus’ story, and Paul’s role
33:17: More on Dr. Skrbina’s basic argument
41:59: Is Paul’s Jesus an enhanced view of James’ and Peter’s Jesus?
44:20: Could Paul have wanted to hijack an already existing Christian movement?
46:45: Paul’s audience: slaves and non-Romans?
48:34: On the Roman Provenance theory
50:48: Paul’s reasons: not only political but also financial?
55:07: “Paul’s pushing a story to the masses that he does not believe”
57:56: Allusions to the Romans in Paul’s letters
1:01:14: Children of Devil = Children of Rome?
1:03:34: How did the letters were adopted by Rome?
1:05:47: What convinces Dr. Skrbina that a historical Jesus existed
1:07:05: Paul using stories about a historical Jesus?
1:08:20: What makes Dr. Skrbina’s different from Dr. Ehrman’s position?

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David Fitzgerald on MythVision Podcast talks about his book "Nailed: 10 Christian Myths That Show Jesus Never Existed at All".


Why would anyone think Jesus never existed? Isn’t it perfectly reasonable to accept that he was a real first century figure? As it turns out, no. NAILED sheds light on ten beloved Christian myths, and with evidence gathered from historians all across the theological spectrum, shows how they point to a Jesus Christ created solely through allegorical alchemy of hope and imagination; a messiah transformed from a purely literary, theological construct into the familiar figure of Jesus – in short, a purely mythic Christ.

Nailed: Ten Christian Myths That Show Jesus Never Existed At All

“Fitzgerald’s is possibly the best ‘capsule summary’ of the mythicist case I’ve ever encountered …with an interesting and accessible approach.”
—Earl Doherty, author of The Jesus Puzzle

“Fitzgerald summarizes a great number of key arguments concisely and with new power and original spin. I really learned something from him. Recalls classical skeptics and biblical critics. A surprising amount of new material.”
—Robert M. Price, author of Deconstructing Jesus and The Incredible Shrinking Son of Man

“David Fitzgerald reveals himself to be the brightest new star in the firmament of scholars who deny historical reality to “Jesus of Nazareth.” His brilliance would have been sufficiently established had he done nothing more than illustrate and explain traditional arguments with a clarity and transparency never achieved…But he has done more. He has developed new arguments and insights as well...”
—Frank R. Zindler, editor of American Atheist Press and author of The Jesus the Jews Never Knew

“Fitzgerald has hit the nail on the head…A nice, readable introduction to the top ten problems typically swept under the rug by anyone insisting it's crazy even to suspect Jesus might not have existed.”
—Richard C. Carrier, Ph.D., author of Not the Impossible Faith: Why Christianity Didn’t Need a Miracle to Succeed and the forthcoming book On the Historicity of Jesus Christ

David Fitzgerald is a writer and historical researcher who has been actively investigating the Historical Jesus question for over ten years. He has a degree in History and was an associate member of CSER, the former Committee for the Scientific Examination of Religion. He lectures around the country at universities and national secular events and is best known for his popular multimedia presentation "The Ten Thousand Christs and the Evaporating Jesus."
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Tim Freke wrote an excellent book on early Christianity and gives a convincing explanation on why Jesus never existed.

Jesus and the Lost Goddess: The Secret Teachings of the Original Christians

https://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Lost-Godde ... =Tim+Freke

Freke is not an atheist and so goes deep into the spiritual aspects, rather than just being a debunker.
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This is interesting. A new letter has been discovered from the Roman era written by an eyewitness to Jesus Christ. See details below. Does this prove that Jesus existed?



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https://www.jstor.org/stable/40858588?seq=1
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Wow is this letter really written by Jesus? See below. What do you think @Lucas88?

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Nietzsche explained why Jesus was not a hero in his book "The Antichrist". See summary of it below.

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