Do Shape-Shifting Reptilians Rule The World? The David Icke Theory

[Winston]

Though the notion of intelligent Reptilians manipulating humanity and genetically engineering the creation of humans seems far fetched, ridiculous and the stuff of sci fi, there are in fact some interesting lines of evidence that point to this hypothesis. Thus I think it should be something to consider, or at least an alternative way of looking at things. A true skeptic lives in a world of possibilities, not in one of dogmatic rigidity and limitations, and also questions everything.

Here are some interesting lines of evidence that David Icke and others presents.

- Every ancient culture has stories of dragons, serpents or reptiles creating humans or living alongside them - The "Chitauri" in Africa, the dragons that gave the Chinese Emperors their bloodline, the serpent in the Genesis book of the Bible, India, etc.
- Many eyewitnesses around the world have reported seeing Reptilian shapeshifters. They have come forth to David Icke and others about it. In fact, Christine Fitzpatrick, a close confidante of Princess Diana, said that Diana told her once that the Royal Family was not really human.
- Humans have a part of the brain called the "R-complex" which is considered Reptilian. It controls our flight or fight response, regulates aggressive behavior, and responds to fear and hierarchy. Even mainstream scientists like the great Carl Sagan admitted in his book "Dragons of Eden" that the physiological case for reptilians in our ancestry is overwhelming and inexplicable.

Check out these videos about it:

Reptilians walk among us? (A good intro to the Reptilian case)



Plausible Points for the Reptilian Case 2/22 - Describes reptilian legends throughout history and across cultures.



Plausible Points for the Reptilian Case 3/22



Plausible Points for the Reptilian Case 4/22 - Compares human anatomy to reptilians and discusses how mainstream scientists like the great Carl Sagan mentioned in his book "Dragons of Eden" that the evidence for our reptilian ancestry and origins is overwhelming and inexplicable.



Summary and Video about Credo Mutwa, the African Shaman and friend of David Icke who was given secret knowledge about the Reptilians that have ruled the world.

http://whatisthepyramid.com/tag/chitauri/

[Winston]

Here in parts 8 and 9 of the Reptilian Case film, it talks about the Reptilian connection to the Hollow Earth Theory. Very fascinating and mind-blowing stuff.

[Winston]

Check out these videos and photos of reptilian eyes in politicians and media personalities. It's pretty freaky. I wonder if these videos have been edited in any way.

[Winston]

For those of you who don't want to watch a 22 part film about the case for Reptilians, here at the end, they sum up all the evidence and points in 15 minutes. It's a quick rundown for those of you who are curious but don't want to spend too much time researching it.

[momopi]

- Every ancient culture has stories of dragons, serpents or reptiles creating humans or living alongside them - The "Chitauri" in Africa, the dragons that gave the Chinese Emperors their bloodline, the serpent in the Genesis book of the Bible, India, etc.

Chinese Emperors are given the "Mandate of Heaven" to rule, the concept of "Descendants of the Dragon" was actually popularized from 1970s, and dragons were only used as Imperial national-political banners during the last Qing Dynasty. Prior to Han Dynasty the ancient Chinese referred to themselves as Huaxia people, and post-Han dynasty as Han people, and post-Tang, the Tang loyalists who moved south were Tang people (early China towns abroad were "Tang People Street"). In Chinese mythology the Heavens is ruled by the Jade Emperor, and dragons are one of many servant-beasts, some were given the important post to control rivers and rain. One story tells of a dragon who disobeyed the Jade Emperor's order for rain, and was beheaded as punishment. The 4 ancient spirit totems of the Chinese were Azure Dragon, White Tiger, Vermilion Bird (phoenix), and the Black Tortoise.

Whoever made that video has no idea what the hell he's talking about. The first Emperor did not "descend to earth in the belly of a dragon", and the 4 dragon kings were not the first rulers of China (see: Three Sovereigns and Five Emperors), they were appointed to rule the 4 seas. In terms of ranking, the ancient Chinese mythology ranked the Qilin (Kirin) as the most powerful non-human creature, followed by the Vermilion Bird, then Dragon. When the first Emperor was passing, he was visited by a Qilin and a Phoenix (not a dragon, that was a later myth adaptation). The Dragon's position was only elevated during the Qing Dynasty when the Imperial throne decided to use it as a national-political banner. If you don't know what a Qilin looks like, see a bottle of Kirin beer, they're sometimes referred to as the Chinese Unicorn.

If you're looking for ancient Chinese symbols of man-serpent, look up Fuxi and Nüwa. In one version of creation myth, the female Nüwa goddess (with serpent body) created man from yellow clay. Those that she spent considerable effort to craft, became the nobles, while those that she just tossed to the ground as blobs of mud, became the common people:






Also, the Kappa is a Japanese water spirit that carries a bowl of water on its head (not teenage mutant ninja turtle). The mythology goes that if you can trick the kappa to spill the water from their heads, they'd be rendered helpless (kappa spirits are stupid with below average IQ). As a water spirit it must carry water on its head to retain its power and vitality. If you politely offer a kappa cucumbers (their favorite food), they might be obliged to return the favor in some way. In ancient times Japanese parents wrote the names of their children on cucumbers and tossed them into lakes and rivers, hoping that if their children were to drown in the water, the Kappa would be obliged to save them.

[Adama]

This is the part of CT that really makes everyone look like an idiot. Does anyone have proof that any elites are reptilians or aliens? Arguments like these just turn people off.

[Rock]

This is the part of CT that really makes everyone look like an idiot. Does anyone have proof that any elites are reptilians or aliens? Arguments like these just turn people off.

Winston will just tell you and Momopi that neither one of you is qualified to dismiss it.

[momopi]

This is the part of CT that really makes everyone look like an idiot. Does anyone have proof that any elites are reptilians or aliens? Arguments like these just turn people off.

People like David Icke have a western-centric mindset, so their belief system confirms to western-christian values where dragons (reptilians?) are seen as malevolent creatures, with rare exceptions like the red dragon of Wales (found on their flag). From Chinese or Chinese-influenced cultures (Korea, Japan, Vietnam)'s perspective, dragons are seen as auspicious, because they control water and rainfall (important to agriculture). Consider that one culture can worship cows as sacred and another sees cows as beef tartare. It'd be silly to argue who's cultural perspective is right or wrong. From Sino-centric perspective, there is no christian god or satan, the lord & judge of the underworld (hell) is simply a bureaucratic post appointed by the Celestial Ruler, and dragons are servant beasts to higher deities, i.e. Guan Yin and her dragon steed:



I'm not an expert on middle eastern myths, so I'll just comment on the East Asian ones. From Chinese cultural perspective, there are several ways to classify heavenly bodies. The classical method is "3 enclosures (of 31 regions) and 28 mansions", where the 28 mansions are divided into 4 directions: the azure dragon of the east, the black tortoise of the north, the white tiger of the west, and the vermillion bird of the south. These were based on the 1,000+ observable stars from ancient times. The 4 mythical creatures have been found on carvings as old as 6,000 years, and you can find variations that were later transferred to other East Asian cultures. i.e. in Vietnam the Four Saintly Beasts are Dragon, Qilin, Tortoise, and Phoenix. The dragon is only 1 of the 4 mythical beasts and, as far as pecking order goes, it ranks #3 behind Qilin and the Vermillion Bird. If you like anime, watch Fushigi Yûgi for a modern spin on this myth.

Classical Chinese cosmology also used the element of fives. The five elements are water, fire, tree, metal, and earth. The five colors are azure, red, yellow, white, and black. The five directions are east, south, center, west, north. The five emotions are anger, happiness, desire, celebration, and mourning. The five norms are humanity, ritual, trust, righteousness, and intelligence. The five seasons are spring, summer, mid-summer, fall, and winter. The concept is that the rule of fives represent harmony and balance.

Ancient Japanese myths used primal "giant serpents" (orochi) and not intelligent dragons, the 8-headed orochi was slain by Susanoo, the Shinto God of Sea and Storms. The concept of powerful ryu (dragon) and dragon as rain/river deities is probably a later Chinese cultural import (ryu is a Chinese loanword, and Japan doesn't have many dinosaur fossils). Many of Japan's dragon myths is a combination of indigenous, Chinese, and Hindu/Buddhist influences. In Chinese mythos the four dragon kings ruled the 4 seas, Ao Guang to the East, Ao Qin to the South, Ao Run to the West, and Ao Shun to the North. They were never considered Emperors or rulers of China, and they served under the Celestial ruler, the Celestial Lord or the Jade Emperor (depending on which version of the myth). Celestial Lord (Shangdi) pre-dates Jade-Emperor in Chinese myth -- China is a big place and had multiple creation myths from ancient times.

Jade was mined in China as early as 6,000 BC and used extensively as valuable & ceremonial objects. In ancient Japan the magatamas were made from Jade (and other minerals) as ritual items during Jōmon period (around 5,500 years ago). While the ancient Scythians and Egyptians valued gold, the ancient Chinese valued jade. When King Tut of Egypt was buried, he was decked out in gold. During Han Dynasty China, when rich & powerful people were buried, they were buried in suits of jade until it was banned for its extravagance:



Lizard CT fans are free to draw links between jade suits and green reptilian scales. ;p The ancient Chinese found dinosaur bones and thought they were dragon bones, and used them in traditional Chinese medicine to this day. They'd grind up the dinosaur fossil and eat it. At one time China probably had lots and lots of dinosaur graveyards, but the bones were eaten so they're not easy to find these days.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19606626/ns ... gon-bones/


p.s. Fans of master-race conspiracies might like to read books by S.M. Stirling:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Domination
http://www.amazon.com/S.-M.-Stirling/e/B000AP5GTA

[odbo]

I'll say it once and I'll say it again, there is and never was any contact with aliens. We're the vitctim of a 60+ year long predictive program from Hollywood. The alien deception (project blue beam) is coming, "truthers" and unthinking "sheeple" will be fooled just the same. Most people believe the government is hiding aliens, and that is precisely what you are supposed to believe. Wake up and smell the coffee, you're a pseudo-skeptic, a useful idiot.

We might have come from aliens, that's not what I'm debating. In fact if we did that makes the deception more potent, being a "hijacking", similar to the hijacking of Christianity or any other piece of our history. But aliens won't save us in 2012, nor will they come to kill us. The world order is all man made. Thousands of years ago, a group of sneaky individuals came up with the idea of ouroboros, and used solar eclipses as the source for their power. That's where the elite's sun worship comes from. Tricking others using fear of the sun-eating snake is probably where religion, government, and man's power over other men came from. People were dumb then, and they're dumb now.



Mel Gibson dangled this history in front of you in Apocalypto. Take a look starting at 8:20


You should move this topic to religion or history. It was on the history channel so it must be true

[momopi]

I'll say it once and I'll say it again, there is and never was any contact with aliens. We're the vitctim of a 60+ year long predictive program from Hollywood. The alien deception (project blue beam) is coming, "truthers" and unthinking "sheeple" will be fooled just the same. Most people believe the government is hiding aliens, and that is precisely what you are supposed to believe. Wake up and smell the coffee, you're a pseudo-skeptic, a useful idiot.
We might have come from aliens, that's not what I'm debating. In fact if we did that makes the deception more potent, being a "hijacking", similar to the hijacking of Christianity or any other piece of our history. But aliens won't save us in 2012, nor will they come to kill us. The world order is all man made. Thousands of years ago, a group of sneaky individuals came up with the idea of ouroboros, and used solar eclipses as the source for their power. That's where the elite's sun worship comes from. Tricking others using fear of the sun-eating snake is probably where religion, government, and man's power over other men came from. People were dumb then, and they're dumb now.

You might like to compare with the Japanese myth of Amaterasu-ōmikami, and her retreat into Ama-no-Iwato after a fight with Susanoo. The idea of Sun Goddess retreating into a cave is pretty similar to a solar eclipse.

[odbo]

You might like to compare with the Japanese myth of Amaterasu-ōmikami, and her retreat into Ama-no-Iwato after a fight with Susanoo. The idea of Sun Goddess retreating into a cave is pretty similar to a solar eclipse.

Absolutely, it's a worldwide phenomenon. You'll see the swastika, hexagram (aka seal of solomon or star of david), and the ouroborus (self-eating serpent) in so many cultures throughout history...

You people need to watch this video. The origin of occult. The origin of slavery?

[momopi]

Uh, no, that's the natural product of human evolution from hunter-gatherers to agricultural society. Hunter-gatherer societies were simple tribes with a chief (often not hereditary) and they moved around a lot. When conflict with another tribe occurs they'd simply run away if they choose not to fight or lose a fight. When human society develop into agricultural societies, wealth was represented by land ownership and its agricultural or pastoral value. With agriculture you have excess production of food and increased population. To protect your land from being raided or taken, armies were formed and the head honcho became kings. And what do you do with an army? You go raid your neighbors, take their women and sheep/cattle. In those early days the priests were the ones who could read and write, so I'd expect them to utilize that to their advantage until someone called their bluff. Consequently, cultures that restricted reading/writing to priesthood scribes didn't survive the test of time -- Egyptian, Mayan, etc.

People in ancient times worshiped the sun/moon, rain, and river/flood in one form or another. These are all important to agricultural societies. People such as the Inuit lived in different environments, so they worshiped fishing, hunting, polar bear, and caribou deities reflective of their environment. Our ancestors had a variety of polytheist beliefs and religious/ceremonial symbols. Cherry picking a few to connect the dots is taking things out of context. Snakes/reptiles? What about Sobek (Crocodile), Sekhmet (Lion), Horus (Hawk), Throth (Ibis Bird), Khepri (Beetle), Taweret (Hippo), etc.?

[odbo]

Going off to kill other people is not in people's nature. But once something becomes part of culture/religion, most people follow it without question.

In the early days the priests were the ones who could read and write, so I'd expect them to utilize that to their advantage until someone calls their bluff.

Exactly. It wasn't the strongest, it was the smartest most sneaky who controlled man. Coincidentally people with rh negative blood-type are more intelligent on average, and today the elites are still overwhelmingly rh negative. They inbred for centuries and this almost ensured psychopathic traits, which in the general population only occurs about every 6 out of a 100 people.

[Rock]

The ancient Chinese found dinosaur bones and thought they were dragon bones, and used them in traditional Chinese medicine to this day. They'd grind up the dinosaur fossil and eat it. At one time China probably had lots and lots of dinosaur graveyards, but the bones were eaten so they're not easy to find these days.

So how do you explain the magnificent dinosaur museum with dozens of fully intact dinosaur fossils in Zigong? Why did the Chinese give this site a pass before the museum was created?

Does the PRC government allow for the use of dinosaur bones in traditional medicine or is it an underground activity? And how are Chinese med practitioners able to get steady supply of extremely rare dragon, err, I mean dinosaur bones? I'll ask about this next time I visit the corner vendor in my neighborhood. But it sounds pretty far-out, wouldn't you agree?

[odbo]

People in ancient times worshiped the sun/moon, rain, and river/flood in one form or another. These are all important to agricultural societies. People such as the Inuit lived in different environments, so they worshiped fishing, hunting, polar bear, and caribou deities reflective of their environment. Our ancestors had a variety of polytheist beliefs and religious/ceremonial symbols. Cherry picking a few to connect the dots is taking things out of context. Snakes/reptiles? What about Sobek (Crocodile), Sekhmet (Lion), Horus (Hawk), Throth (Ibis Bird), Khepri (Beetle), Taweret (Hippo), etc.?

what are you arguing exactly? my point was that

a) aliens and reptiles are a complete fabrication of the media, a program started 60+ years ago, thinking this far ahead. I think back to Conan the Barbarian (the ending) and reptilian overlords featured in other films, and realize there's actually zero evidence for any reptilian-men, little grey men, green men with big heads, or flying saucers not spotted within a few miles of a known military base. zilch! Nothing besides media fabrications. It's all predictive programming!

b) the origin of the occult (eclipse), and of the main religions. I never said this or the ouroborus is used or talked about in the religions themselves. If anything they link to the snake using some other animal. The same way there are a thousand symbols, synonyms and codewords for Satan (including snake/serpent). I don't care what the Inuit believe! You can't take anything from people who have nothing, like the Amish, thus they are free regardless of where their religion originates. Who's taking things out of context here? Arguments due to lazy posts or unrealistic expectations for posts are so typical of internet conversations. Everything must be absolute. "Oh, you can't say all American women are bad. Not all of them. You're sexist!.. blah blah blah". Not sure what you want from me, to write a book of religious history? I'm trying to cut through the bullshit. At first glance the Catholic church is into God and Jesus, but you look into it, and it's pagan sun worship, and if they worship anything about Christianity it's the death of Jesus.