Is Our Earth FLAT and Motionless, Not a Spinning Globe?

[OutWest]

There are numerous exercise harnesses and such on the ISS which astronauts use to secure themselves to exercise equipment.

No one has "come out" about it because it's real. I mean, come on. There's plenty of fascinating videos filmed there, literally hundreds over the years, and they do certain things that simply cannot be replicated outside of zero gravity, such as fluid dynamics and the way female astronaut's hair moves.

I don't understand. How exactly is that guy on wires using exercising equipment? Why is he on wires? Why doesnt he float around without wires if hes in space?

And if this is a practice interview then why dont the two in front say so and say they're on earth training? It doesnt make sense.

You gotta admit you dont know if that ISS thing is for real. You've never been there so you're taking it all on faith simply because you're an establishment defender and trust that the powers that be are honest and dont lie.

I posted a full hour long tour of the ISS. There are no special effects that have ever been used that can recreate some of the things done in that video and on others, and it shows a 360 degree view of many compartments that would be impossible to film with wires and rigging as there is no place for them to be. As to your video, I didn't listen to the audio so I really didn't know what was being said.

As to "just a defender of the establishment," as I said, in college I used a camera and telescope to take a picture of the ISS as part of a project in Astrophysics. I have seen it with my own equipment, the thing exists, period.

Youre not a hollywood cgi expert. How do you know what they can reproduce and what they cant? I think you underestimate them. Have you seen that movie with jodie foster out in space from 2013? They creates a space station and made it look very real.

Wires can be edited out easily. Some of the videos above show that. I can use camera tricks to make you look like youre somewhere else too by changing the background using a green room or blue screen. Do you know anything about filmmaking?

See kubricks odyssey by jay weidner.

So you took a photo of the ISS when it passed in front of the moon or sky? Its just a silouette right? How do you know that its real?

And why do you trust NASA? Can you explain? They are proven liars and murderers and its well proven amd established that the moon landing was hoaxed.

If youre not an establishment defender, then can you name some government lies and hoaxes that the government has not admitted to yet? Michael shermer and bill nye and lawrence krauss cannot name any. Because they are paid to defend the establishment even if they know they are lying. Wikipedia cannot either and claims the only proven conspiracies are the ones it has confessed to, otherwise they are merely "theories" with no evidence, which is untrue of course, but wikipedia is clearly an establishment defender too.

If you are not then can you do what they cant, and name some government lies that they refuse to confess to publicly? This is a litmus test which michael shermer and his pseudoskeptics failed. Because to them authority always equals truth. Is that your belief too?

Winston, this isn't worth discussing with you. I don't care about changing the opinion of your little echo chamber, it's a bunch of borderline crazy people reinforcing each others' ideas, and literally no amount of talking to you or evidence will fix that, as research has shown people who hold strong confirmation bias are basically immune to factual evidence or logic regardless of their belief system.

I've got a lot of problems with the establishment, but they're about real issues and not your nonsense. The government does a lot of shady and illegal things in a lot of areas, but you make the logical fallacy of assuming that everything all parts of the government do are shady and illegal. The Earth isn't flat, it's a bull**** idea believed only by people of the lowest intelligence, which has been known to be false by people using technology from literally thousands of years ago, and that's just how it is.

The schedule for viewing the ISS can be found here: https://spotthestation.nasa.gov/

[Adama]

Meanwhile NASA reports that there may be breakthroughs afoot in how to penetrate the Van Allen radiation belt and someday put a man on the moon. Oh wait..... Well, I guess it wasn't a problem in 1969 because, as one of the astronauts put it, they didn't know about it. But in fact they did. It was postulated in 1957, and the Soviets gave it as the reason the moon could not be reached.

That is almost certainly not true, but feel free to cite your source. As I point out above in the edited post, you also have said that one can see the earth's curvature from an airplane. That is not true. And you said that a ship's bottom disappearing on the horizon before its top proves the earth's curvature. That is not true.

if you want a report from someone who explored Antarctica before the treaty was in force, check Capt. Cook's log. Three years, 60,000+ miles trying to sail around it.

That's all you need to wake you up right there.

You even got Neil Armstrong saying how he couldn't see any stars while standing on the moon.

Then there are moon rock specimens that have been proven to be nothing but petrified wood.

They've lost all the Apollo footage.

There's actually tons of evidence against them. How is it possible to ignore all that? Many of them simply refuse to acknowledge the existence of this information. Just as they can't admit simple things, like you cannot see the curvature of the earth in a plane. It's completely flat. The earth may be a circle, but it is a flat circle.

[OutWest]

And while it may be true that you were once a man of some intelligence, it seems that either your intellectual or logical faculties have suffered some significant deterioration over the years. Your mind is so open it appears that your brain has fallen out.

Are all flat earthers lazy asses? It is not that hard to go to Antarctica and document it as a vast 100,000 mile long sea wall if that was the case.
When does the expedition leave? Maybe it is that if flat earthers made actual inquiry on the ground about their claims, that would make them scientific researchers, and all of science is a fraud, right? So to maintain their purity, flat earthers stay way from those tainted scientist and all their methodologies, like on the ground inquiry and documentation. Of course, it may be that flat earthers are unable to get to the extreme south as if you use a flat earth type map, as soon as you get south of the equator, your navigation quickly goes to hell.

PS, Note to MD: That space station project you did, well, I confess. I faked you out. Just as you were set to get your shots, I used my medieval catapult to launch on old lawn mower with three trash cans attached with chains across your camera view! Gotcha! If you had really studies your pics, you would have seen that Briggs and Stratton logo!

I would also hope that you can soon come clean on this science fakery as a Doctor! Cells do not exist! Have you eve seen one? Are you to tell me that a human body is some trillions cells all coordinated and working together like magic? Only a moron would believe such poppycock. Cell theory is part of the same scientific complex that brought us that round earth hoax! Flea ! Flea!

We've gone over this before in this same thread, and as I said I've read the relevant treaty. You need special permission from the U.S. government to go to Antarctica, otherwise you will be turned back. Let me know when you've gotten that permission to go exploring on your own.

The regulations focus on having a viable rescue plan in place. Otherwise, there is no one there to turn you back. As if there are hundreds of thousands of men working on the Antarctic Border Patrol. There have been several groups busted after the fact when their adventures required rescue efforts or there was loss of life. Im waiting for that video.."Watch our group turned back by the Antarctic Border Patrol!"
If you inform yourself about both Arctic and Antarctic extreme conditions, it is not the kind of place where you can run your zodiac up to the beach and go strolling around to check it out. Conditions are extreme and very remote. Otherwise you are free to go there if you have all the assets you need for exploration and rescue.

That is almost certainly not true, but feel free to cite your source. As I point out above in the edited post, you also have said that one can see the earth's curvature from an airplane. That is not true. And you said that a ship's bottom disappearing on the horizon before its top proves the earth's curvature. That is not true.

if you want a report from someone who explored Antarctica before the treaty was in force, check Capt. Cook's log. Three years, 60,000+ miles trying to sail around it.

There many copies of the map of Capt. Cook's journeys. The 60,000 miles reference included the distance to and from England and many side-trips in both the Atlantic and Pacific. He did travel around Antarctica. He went a long ways all to be eaten...

Here is the text of the Antarctic Treaty. It is simple and short, and nowhere does it restrict access to Antarctica except that it prohibits military activity there. https://www.state.gov/t/avc/trty/193967.htm#treaty

[HouseMD]

Have you guys noticed that those "actors" (if they are) on the ISS do not look like high calibre or high quality people? They look kind of goofy and not serious. Like goofballs or hillbillies, the kind of people who will do anything for money. Do you get that feeling from them too? It's as if the ISS has low criteria or low qualifications on who they will accept as a crew member. It's as if the screening process was simply:

Q: Are you willing to participate in a hoax if we pay you? And will you keep it a secret for life under penalty of death and the death of your loved ones?
A: Yeah sure. Why not? Sounds like a good deal! Let's do it!
Q: Ok we will prepare the contracts for you to sign. You will then be briefed further.

If so, then NASA would not try to recruit anyone to be an ISS crew member. Certainly not someone like Adama that gripes about truth and morals and God. They would look at the background of the applicant and pick people who have a history of lying for money and showing no conscience about it. Right?

A man who views things with the simplicity of a tubby alcoholic Chinese farmer that looks the part saying that the PhDs riding on the ISS seem like hillbillies is the most ironic thing I've come across in months. Astronauts are specifically selected to be charismatic ambassadors of science, in addition to having research-level credentials in the sciences and personalities that can handle the isolation of space.

[HouseMD]

Are all flat earthers lazy asses? It is not that hard to go to Antarctica and document it as a vast 100,000 mile long sea wall if that was the case.
When does the expedition leave? Maybe it is that if flat earthers made actual inquiry on the ground about their claims, that would make them scientific researchers, and all of science is a fraud, right? So to maintain their purity, flat earthers stay way from those tainted scientist and all their methodologies, like on the ground inquiry and documentation. Of course, it may be that flat earthers are unable to get to the extreme south as if you use a flat earth type map, as soon as you get south of the equator, your navigation quickly goes to hell.

PS, Note to MD: That space station project you did, well, I confess. I faked you out. Just as you were set to get your shots, I used my medieval catapult to launch on old lawn mower with three trash cans attached with chains across your camera view! Gotcha! If you had really studies your pics, you would have seen that Briggs and Stratton logo!

I would also hope that you can soon come clean on this science fakery as a Doctor! Cells do not exist! Have you eve seen one? Are you to tell me that a human body is some trillions cells all coordinated and working together like magic? Only a moron would believe such poppycock. Cell theory is part of the same scientific complex that brought us that round earth hoax! Flea ! Flea!

We've gone over this before in this same thread, and as I said I've read the relevant treaty. You need special permission from the U.S. government to go to Antarctica, otherwise you will be turned back. Let me know when you've gotten that permission to go exploring on your own.

The regulations focus on having a viable rescue plan in place. Otherwise, there is no one there to turn you back. As if there are hundreds of thousands of men working on the Antarctic Border Patrol. There have been several groups busted after the fact when their adventures required rescue efforts or there was loss of life. Im waiting for that video.."Watch our group turned back by the Antarctic Border Patrol!"
If you inform yourself about both Arctic and Antarctic extreme conditions, it is not the kind of place where you can run your zodiac up to the beach and go strolling around to check it out. Conditions are extreme and very remote. Otherwise you are free to go there if you have all the assets you need for exploration and rescue.

That is almost certainly not true, but feel free to cite your source. As I point out above in the edited post, you also have said that one can see the earth's curvature from an airplane. That is not true. And you said that a ship's bottom disappearing on the horizon before its top proves the earth's curvature. That is not true.

if you want a report from someone who explored Antarctica before the treaty was in force, check Capt. Cook's log. Three years, 60,000+ miles trying to sail around it.

There many copies of the map of Capt. Cook's journeys. The 60,000 miles reference included the distance to and from England and many side-trips in both the Atlantic and Pacific. He did travel around Antarctica. He went a long ways all to be eaten...

Here is the text of the Antarctic Treaty. It is simple and short, and nowhere does it restrict access to Antarctica except that it prohibits military activity there. https://www.state.gov/t/avc/trty/193967.htm#treaty

Aside from the relative ease by which one can visit, you can also easily get jobs in Antarctica, as few people want to work there and they are always hiring for everything from janitors to bartenders at the research bases.

[gsjackson]

What is unclear about Article VII, section 1 of the Antarctica treaty? You have to get permission of the United States or the government of whichever signatory nation you are a citizen of if you want to go there, for employment or any other purpose. Try getting that permission for unbridled exploration.

[Cornfed]

Aside from the relative ease by which one can visit, you can also easily get jobs in Antarctica, as few people want to work there and they are always hiring for everything from janitors to bartenders at the research bases.

How would being a bartender at a research base allow you to test the theory of whether it was the end of the earth?

[gsjackson]

Aside from the relative ease by which one can visit, you can also easily get jobs in Antarctica, as few people want to work there and they are always hiring for everything from janitors to bartenders at the research bases.

How would being a bartender at a research base allow you to test the theory of whether it was the end of the earth?

Full disclosure (as I would hope all FEers would practice): One of the FEers, Rob Skiba, says he has talked to someone who worked as a cook in Antarctica, who had flown between locations there. The flight times appear to make more sense on a globe map than a FE map.

Skiba's, and my remaining reservations center around the map of the southern hemisphere. There apparently are direct flights between Sydney and Santiago, Chile, taking between 11.5 and 14.5 hours. On the usual FE maps you see the distance between them is too far to be flown in that time. You'd need Australia and South America to be a little bit closer. Some online have shown revised maps where this would work, and one guy made the flight with his compass, which always pointed northwest, as a flat earth map would suggest. All FEers agree that an obviously correct map has never been put forward, and the one you usually see is simply a reproduction of the UN logo.

Meanwhile, in the world of astrophysics settled science, a new black hole has been discovered that is 13.1 billion light years away from earth. It's all right there in that sky you see, plain as day (to the cognoscenti). You have simply but to believe with a childlike faith.

[Adama]

Meanwhile, in the world of astrophysics settled science, a new black hole has been discovered that is 13.1 billion light years away from earth. It's all right there in that sky you see, plain as day (to the cognoscenti). You have simply but to believe with a childlike faith.

Don't forget that mysterious dark matter, which is lurking out there, increasing the mass of the universe and slowing it down!

[OutWest]

What is unclear about Article VII, section 1 of the Antarctica treaty? You have to get permission of the United States or the government of whichever signatory nation you are a citizen of if you want to go there, for employment or any other purpose. Try getting that permission for unbridled exploration.

Can you give me a quote" Article VII, section one is talking about observers beng put in place to oversee treaty compliance.

"Article VII

1. In order to promote the objectives and ensure the observance of the provisions of the present treaty, each Contracting Party whose representatives are entitled to participate in the meetings referred to in Article IX of the treaty shall have the right to designate observers to carry out any inspection provided for by the present Article. Observers shall be nationals of the Contracting Parties which designate them. The names of observers shall be communicated to every other Contracting Party having the right to designate observers, and like notice shall be given of the termination of their appointment. "

[gsjackson]

What is unclear about Article VII, section 1 of the Antarctica treaty? You have to get permission of the United States or the government of whichever signatory nation you are a citizen of if you want to go there, for employment or any other purpose. Try getting that permission for unbridled exploration.

Can you give me a quote" Article VII, section one is talking about observers beng put in place to oversee treaty compliance.

"Article VII

1. In order to promote the objectives and ensure the observance of the provisions of the present treaty, each Contracting Party whose representatives are entitled to participate in the meetings referred to in Article IX of the treaty shall have the right to designate observers to carry out any inspection provided for by the present Article. Observers shall be nationals of the Contracting Parties which designate them. The names of observers shall be communicated to every other Contracting Party having the right to designate observers, and like notice shall be given of the termination of their appointment. "

Standard statutory construction -- if the state is given the prerogative to designate observers, it is implied that those not so designated do not have that right. And that is in fact the case in Antarctica.

[OutWest]

What is unclear about Article VII, section 1 of the Antarctica treaty? You have to get permission of the United States or the government of whichever signatory nation you are a citizen of if you want to go there, for employment or any other purpose. Try getting that permission for unbridled exploration.

Can you give me a quote" Article VII, section one is talking about observers beng put in place to oversee treaty compliance.

"Article VII

1. In order to promote the objectives and ensure the observance of the provisions of the present treaty, each Contracting Party whose representatives are entitled to participate in the meetings referred to in Article IX of the treaty shall have the right to designate observers to carry out any inspection provided for by the present Article. Observers shall be nationals of the Contracting Parties which designate them. The names of observers shall be communicated to every other Contracting Party having the right to designate observers, and like notice shall be given of the termination of their appointment. "

Standard statutory construction -- if the state is given the prerogative to designate observers, it is implied that those not so designated do not have that right. And that is in fact the case in Antarctica.

Because you cannot be named an official Antarctic Treaty compliance observer, it means you can not go to Antarctic at all? That is an amazing stretch! Thousands of people a year go to the Antarctic a year that are certainly not treaty compliance observing officials...tourists, various scientific groups, environmental groups and extreme sports addicts.

[gsjackson]

What is unclear about Article VII, section 1 of the Antarctica treaty? You have to get permission of the United States or the government of whichever signatory nation you are a citizen of if you want to go there, for employment or any other purpose. Try getting that permission for unbridled exploration.

Can you give me a quote" Article VII, section one is talking about observers beng put in place to oversee treaty compliance.

"Article VII

1. In order to promote the objectives and ensure the observance of the provisions of the present treaty, each Contracting Party whose representatives are entitled to participate in the meetings referred to in Article IX of the treaty shall have the right to designate observers to carry out any inspection provided for by the present Article. Observers shall be nationals of the Contracting Parties which designate them. The names of observers shall be communicated to every other Contracting Party having the right to designate observers, and like notice shall be given of the termination of their appointment. "

Standard statutory construction -- if the state is given the prerogative to designate observers, it is implied that those not so designated do not have that right. And that is in fact the case in Antarctica.

Because you cannot be named an official Antarctic Treaty compliance observer, it means you can not go to Antarctic at all? That is an amazing stretch! Thousands of people a year go to the Antarctic a year that are certainly not treaty compliance observing officials...tourists, various scientific groups, environmental groups and extreme sports addicts.

Oh come on. You're just arguing for the sake of arguing. No one -- whether someone going on one of the pre-arranged tours, being employed there, going as a scientific observer, etc. -- goes there without the approval of the government of which he is a citizen. "Compliance observer" is your language. It is not in the treaty. If you go to Antarctica to explore it, you will need the approval of the U.S. government. Period.

[OutWest]

What is unclear about Article VII, section 1 of the Antarctica treaty? You have to get permission of the United States or the government of whichever signatory nation you are a citizen of if you want to go there, for employment or any other purpose. Try getting that permission for unbridled exploration.

Can you give me a quote" Article VII, section one is talking about observers beng put in place to oversee treaty compliance.

"Article VII

1. In order to promote the objectives and ensure the observance of the provisions of the present treaty, each Contracting Party whose representatives are entitled to participate in the meetings referred to in Article IX of the treaty shall have the right to designate observers to carry out any inspection provided for by the present Article. Observers shall be nationals of the Contracting Parties which designate them. The names of observers shall be communicated to every other Contracting Party having the right to designate observers, and like notice shall be given of the termination of their appointment. "

Standard statutory construction -- if the state is given the prerogative to designate observers, it is implied that those not so designated do not have that right. And that is in fact the case in Antarctica.

Because you cannot be named an official Antarctic Treaty compliance observer, it means you can not go to Antarctic at all? That is an amazing stretch! Thousands of people a year go to the Antarctic a year that are certainly not treaty compliance observing officials...tourists, various scientific groups, environmental groups and extreme sports addicts.

Oh come on. You're just arguing for the sake of arguing. No one -- whether someone going on one of the pre-arranged tours, being employed there, going as a scientific observer, etc. -- goes there without the approval of the government of which he is a citizen. "Compliance observer" is your language. It is not in the treaty. If you go to Antarctica to explore it, you will need the approval of the U.S. government. Period.

"In order to promote the objectives and ensure the observance of the provisions of the present treaty, each Contracting Party whose representatives are entitled to participate in the meetings referred to in Article IX of the treaty shall have the right to designate observers to carry out any inspection provided for by the present Article. Observers shall be nationals of the Contracting Parties which designate them. The names of observers shall be communicated to every other Contracting Party having the right to designate observers, and like notice shall be given of the termination of their appointment."


In this paragraph is clearly states that signatory countries have the right to appoint observers to conduct inspections as defined in the treaty in order to ensure the observance of provisions of the treaty. If "ensuring the observations of the provisions of the treaty" is not about compliance, you command of the language is suspect. Im quoting from the treaty. Tell me, seriously, that "Ensuring the observations of the provisions of the treaty" is not about COMPLIANCE. You are losing it. And no, everyone who goes to Antarctica is not an appointed treaty observer.
All this, just about your imaginary 100,000 mile long ice wall and a host of other crazy shit. Documenting such would be the story of the century, but flat earthers can't seem to find anything south of the equator because they are following the delusional maps. It is simple geometry. Southern hemisphere navigation would be so far off that all transport calculations based on the globe would be drastically off if the flat earth were a fact. Airplanes could not even carry enough fuel for what are now already long trips. Ships and airplanes would run out of fuel. Many millions of square miles of land would be created in Africa, Australia and South America. Just imagine a flat earth country of Chile...a 100 miles wide at the north and a thousand miles wide at the south. It would be shaped like a pyramid.Apparently tens of thousands of people turned away from visiting the Antarctic, you just cant find any of these people.

[gsjackson]

One of the first things you would learn in law school is to read a statute by looking at "the four corners of the document." That means you read all of it, and construe it in that context. Read sections 2, 3, 4 and 5 of Article VII, and tell me these people are designated only as a sort of compliance police, or whatever the hell you're arguing. The people so designated in Article VII are the ones who get to explore Antarctica, and they are the only ones.

The circumference of the earth is estimated by FEers to be somewhere around 50,000+ miles, which corresponds with Capt. Cook's diary about attempting to sail around it, including sailing from England. Not 100,000, as you say. You're just making shit up.