Is Our Earth FLAT and Motionless, Not a Spinning Globe?

[gsjackson]

Don't you see that every time you weigh in with either personal insults or appeals to established authority ("all intelligent people know....") without any substantive arguments you just discredit the position you're taking? It reinforces the idea that the people who defend the establishment position are unable to think through ideas, only memorize and regurgitate them. Go on youtube and check some flat earth videos -- all 99 percent of the opposition has got is name calling.

I wouldn't worry about NASA's budget being subject to the whims of voters. They are plugged in at the power center and their hundreds of billions are a sure thing. God knows what they do with the money.

[HouseMD]

Don't you see that every time you weigh in with either personal insults or appeals to established authority ("all intelligent people know....") without any substantive arguments you just discredit the position you're taking? It reinforces the idea that the people who defend the establishment position are unable to think through ideas, only memorize and regurgitate them. Go on youtube and check some flat earth videos -- all 99 percent of the opposition has got is name calling.

I wouldn't worry about NASA's budget being subject to the whims of voters. They are plugged in at the power center and their hundreds of billions are a sure thing. God knows what they do with the money.

The entirety of NASA's budget is 18.4 billion dollars per year. The Department of Defense has literally lost more money in the last 20 years than NASA has had in its entire history. As to "appeals to authority" I'm telling you that there are experiments you can do yourself to prove all of these things. I have done many of them myself. You're the one who would rather appeal to the authority of uneducated conspiracy theorists than actually, you know, get a job in Antarctica, fly to the edge of space, or spend a few hundred dollars making a camera setup that can take a picture of the ISS. Hell, you could even do the most simple of experiments, getting sticks of equal height and measuring their shadows at the same time of day at differing points from the equator. It. Isn't. Hard.

[OutWest]

And while it may be true that you were once a man of some intelligence, it seems that either your intellectual or logical faculties have suffered some significant deterioration over the years. Your mind is so open it appears that your brain has fallen out.

Are all flat earthers lazy asses? It is not that hard to go to Antarctica and document it as a vast 100,000 mile long sea wall if that was the case.
When does the expedition leave? Maybe it is that if flat earthers made actual inquiry on the ground about their claims, that would make them scientific researchers, and all of science is a fraud, right? So to maintain their purity, flat earthers stay way from those tainted scientist and all their methodologies, like on the ground inquiry and documentation. Of course, it may be that flat earthers are unable to get to the extreme south as if you use a flat earth type map, as soon as you get south of the equator, your navigation quickly goes to hell.

PS, Note to MD: That space station project you did, well, I confess. I faked you out. Just as you were set to get your shots, I used my medieval catapult to launch on old lawn mower with three trash cans attached with chains across your camera view! Gotcha! If you had really studies your pics, you would have seen that Briggs and Stratton logo!

I would also hope that you can soon come clean on this science fakery as a Doctor! Cells do not exist! Have you eve seen one? Are you to tell me that a human body is some trillions cells all coordinated and working together like magic? Only a moron would believe such poppycock. Cell theory is part of the same scientific complex that brought us that round earth hoax! Flea ! Flea!

[gsjackson]

Look, all of this stuff is addressed in the flat earth videos. The two sticks and the rest of it. There are hundreds of persuasive arguments for flat earth on there, a very small handful for the globe. You're just not familiar with the discussion you're dismissing. You're being outgunned -- by a large margin. For anyone who can get his mind around NASA and the other countries' space agencies being fraudulent organizations and faking all pictures of the globe earth, it just becomes no contest. The rest of the evidence overwhelmingly points to a flat, motionless earth around which the sun and moon revolve.

And speaking of the "pictures" of earth, most of which NASA admits are photo shopped, they keep producing perfectly round spheres. Aren't they aware that chief apologist Neil DeGrasse Tyson is now describing the earth as "an oblate spheroid" and "pear-shaped?"

Get a job in Antarctica -- lol. You think you can do that, and do you think you'd be allowed to explore on your own? Maybe they would hire a doctor, but if they let you go exploring the outer reaches unsupervised, please get back to us.

[gsjackson]

And while it may be true that you were once a man of some intelligence, it seems that either your intellectual or logical faculties have suffered some significant deterioration over the years. Your mind is so open it appears that your brain has fallen out.

Are all flat earthers lazy asses? It is not that hard to go to Antarctica and document it as a vast 100,000 mile long sea wall if that was the case.
When does the expedition leave? Maybe it is that if flat earthers made actual inquiry on the ground about their claims, that would make them scientific researchers, and all of science is a fraud, right? So to maintain their purity, flat earthers stay way from those tainted scientist and all their methodologies, like on the ground inquiry and documentation. Of course, it may be that flat earthers are unable to get to the extreme south as if you use a flat earth type map, as soon as you get south of the equator, your navigation quickly goes to hell.

PS, Note to MD: That space station project you did, well, I confess. I faked you out. Just as you were set to get your shots, I used my medieval catapult to launch on old lawn mower with three trash cans attached with chains across your camera view! Gotcha! If you had really studies your pics, you would have seen that Briggs and Stratton logo!

I would also hope that you can soon come clean on this science fakery as a Doctor! Cells do not exist! Have you eve seen one? Are you to tell me that a human body is some trillions cells all coordinated and working together like magic? Only a moron would believe such poppycock. Cell theory is part of the same scientific complex that brought us that round earth hoax! Flea ! Flea!

We've gone over this before in this same thread, and as I said I've read the relevant treaty. You need special permission from the U.S. government to go to Antarctica, otherwise you will be turned back. Let me know when you've gotten that permission to go exploring on your own.

[OutWest]

Look, all of this stuff is addressed in the flat earth videos. The two sticks and the rest of it. There are hundreds of persuasive arguments for flat earth on there, a very small handful for the globe. You're just not familiar with the discussion you're dismissing. You're being outgunned -- by a large margin. For anyone who can get his mind around NASA and the other countries' space agencies being fraudulent organizations and faking all pictures of the globe earth, it just becomes no contest. The rest of the evidence overwhelmingly points to a flat, motionless earth around which the sun and moon revolve.

And speaking of the "pictures" of earth, most of which NASA admits are photo shopped, they keep producing perfectly round spheres. Aren't they aware that chief apologist Neil DeGrasse Tyson is now describing the earth as "an oblate spheroid" and "pear-shaped?"

Get a job in Antarctica -- lol. You think you can do that, and do you think you'd be allowed to explore on your own? Maybe they would hire a doctor, but if they let you go exploring the outer reaches unsupervised, please get back to us.

I do not have the inclination to delve over hundreds of slices of baloney, but I would welcome some compilation of a "Top ten" proofs of a flat earth so that I can focus on dispatching those. What I have read so far has people who are not even literate in basic scientific terminology, mathematics or Physics enough to have a conversation.

And YES, you can explore Antarctica on your own, providing you have a viable rescue plan in place if things go wrong. The "Pear shaped" earth references are referring to differences within exact measurements of the shape of the SPHERE, that are not perceptible on models but are there never-the-less. If you take an exact measurement of a basketball, it is likely not a perfect sphere at all, but it is certainly not shaped like a pizza.

Send me the real meat of it, so far all i have seen is cheap baloney!
And yes, you CAN explore Antarctica.

https://www.quarkexpeditions.com/en/antarctic

[Winston]

Have you guys noticed that those "actors" (if they are) on the ISS do not look like high calibre or high quality people? They look kind of goofy and not serious. Like goofballs or hillbillies, the kind of people who will do anything for money. Do you get that feeling from them too? It's as if the ISS has low criteria or low qualifications on who they will accept as a crew member. It's as if the screening process was simply:

Q: Are you willing to participate in a hoax if we pay you? And will you keep it a secret for life under penalty of death and the death of your loved ones?
A: Yeah sure. Why not? Sounds like a good deal! Let's do it!
Q: Ok we will prepare the contracts for you to sign. You will then be briefed further.

If so, then NASA would not try to recruit anyone to be an ISS crew member. Certainly not someone like Adama that gripes about truth and morals and God. They would look at the background of the applicant and pick people who have a history of lying for money and showing no conscience about it. Right?

[gsjackson]

Look, all of this stuff is addressed in the flat earth videos. The two sticks and the rest of it. There are hundreds of persuasive arguments for flat earth on there, a very small handful for the globe. You're just not familiar with the discussion you're dismissing. You're being outgunned -- by a large margin. For anyone who can get his mind around NASA and the other countries' space agencies being fraudulent organizations and faking all pictures of the globe earth, it just becomes no contest. The rest of the evidence overwhelmingly points to a flat, motionless earth around which the sun and moon revolve.

And speaking of the "pictures" of earth, most of which NASA admits are photo shopped, they keep producing perfectly round spheres. Aren't they aware that chief apologist Neil DeGrasse Tyson is now describing the earth as "an oblate spheroid" and "pear-shaped?"

Get a job in Antarctica -- lol. You think you can do that, and do you think you'd be allowed to explore on your own? Maybe they would hire a doctor, but if they let you go exploring the outer reaches unsupervised, please get back to us.

I do not have the inclination to delve over hundreds of slices of baloney, but I would welcome some compilation of a "Top ten" proofs of a flat earth so that I can focus on dispatching those. What I have read so far has people who are not even literate in basic scientific terminology, mathematics or Physics enough to have a conversation.

And YES, you can explore Antarctica on your own, providing you have a viable rescue plan in place if things go wrong. The "Pear shaped" earth references are referring to differences within exact measurements of the shape of the SPHERE, that are not perceptible on models but are there never-the-less. If you take an exact measurement of a basketball, it is likely not a perfect sphere at all, but it is certainly not shaped like a sliced of pizza.

Send me the real meat of it, so far all i have seen is cheap baloney!

Read my subsequent post. You can keep saying that anyone can go to Antarctica, but there is a well-enforced treaty in place saying you can't go without special permission. As we've discussed before.

Everything you've said above you've just spun right out of your head. Why would I want your take on these arguments? You have said that one can see the earth's curvature from an airplane. That is not true. You have said that the bottom of a ship going out of view before the top proves the earth's curvature. That is not true. You have said that anyone can go and explore Antarctica. That is not true.

[gsjackson]

Have you guys noticed that those "actors" (if they are) on the ISS do not look like high calibre or high quality people? They look kind of goofy and not serious. Like goofballs or hillbillies, the kind of people who will do anything for money. Do you get that feeling from them too? It's as if the ISS has low criteria or low qualifications on who they will accept as a crew member. It's as if the screening process was simply:

Q: Are you willing to participate in a hoax if we pay you? And will you keep it a secret for life under penalty of death and the death of your loved ones?
A: Yeah sure. Why not? Sounds like a good deal! Let's do it!
Q: Ok we will prepare the contracts for you to sign. You will then be briefed further.

If so, then NASA would not try to recruit anyone to be an ISS crew member. Certainly not someone like Adama that gripes about truth and morals and God. They would look at the background of the applicant and pick people who have a history of lying for money and showing no conscience about it. Right?

Yes, I'm sure that any organization intent upon fooling the public has a well-developed system in place for determining who will play ball and who won't. Mind control and who was susceptible to it were very much the rage in certain government circles around the time NASA was formed.

But going back to the motivation of the astronauts to lie, I'm not sure you'd need to take it any further than assuming they were told we were in a propaganda war with the USSR, a battle to the death with godless communism, and the public relations victory of a moon landing was much needed in this war. The pictures of a ball earth came along with the deal out of necessity, and once everybody was in for a dollar, who was going to upset such a large apple cart?

Meanwhile NASA reports that there may be breakthroughs afoot in how to penetrate the Van Allen radiation belt and someday put a man on the moon. Oh wait..... Well, I guess it wasn't a problem in 1969 because, as one of the astronauts put it, they didn't know about it. But in fact they did. It was postulated in 1957, and the Soviets gave it as the reason the moon could not be reached.

[OutWest]

And while it may be true that you were once a man of some intelligence, it seems that either your intellectual or logical faculties have suffered some significant deterioration over the years. Your mind is so open it appears that your brain has fallen out.

Are all flat earthers lazy asses? It is not that hard to go to Antarctica and document it as a vast 100,000 mile long sea wall if that was the case.
When does the expedition leave? Maybe it is that if flat earthers made actual inquiry on the ground about their claims, that would make them scientific researchers, and all of science is a fraud, right? So to maintain their purity, flat earthers stay way from those tainted scientist and all their methodologies, like on the ground inquiry and documentation. Of course, it may be that flat earthers are unable to get to the extreme south as if you use a flat earth type map, as soon as you get south of the equator, your navigation quickly goes to hell.

PS, Note to MD: That space station project you did, well, I confess. I faked you out. Just as you were set to get your shots, I used my medieval catapult to launch on old lawn mower with three trash cans attached with chains across your camera view! Gotcha! If you had really studies your pics, you would have seen that Briggs and Stratton logo!

I would also hope that you can soon come clean on this science fakery as a Doctor! Cells do not exist! Have you eve seen one? Are you to tell me that a human body is some trillions cells all coordinated and working together like magic? Only a moron would believe such poppycock. Cell theory is part of the same scientific complex that brought us that round earth hoax! Flea ! Flea!

We've gone over this before in this same thread, and as I said I've read the relevant treaty. You need special permission from the U.S. government to go to Antarctica, otherwise you will be turned back. Let me know when you've gotten that permission to go exploring on your own.

The regulations focus on having a viable rescue plan in place. Otherwise, there is no one there to turn you back. As if there are hundreds of thousands of men working on the Antarctic Border Patrol. There have been several groups busted after the fact when their adventures required rescue efforts or there was loss of life. Im waiting for that video.."Watch our group turned back by the Antarctic Border Patrol!"
If you inform yourself about both Arctic and Antarctic extreme conditions, it is not the kind of place where you can run your zodiac up to the beach and go strolling around to check it out. Conditions are extreme and very remote. Otherwise you are free to go there if you have all the assets you need for exploration and rescue.

[gsjackson]

And while it may be true that you were once a man of some intelligence, it seems that either your intellectual or logical faculties have suffered some significant deterioration over the years. Your mind is so open it appears that your brain has fallen out.

Are all flat earthers lazy asses? It is not that hard to go to Antarctica and document it as a vast 100,000 mile long sea wall if that was the case.
When does the expedition leave? Maybe it is that if flat earthers made actual inquiry on the ground about their claims, that would make them scientific researchers, and all of science is a fraud, right? So to maintain their purity, flat earthers stay way from those tainted scientist and all their methodologies, like on the ground inquiry and documentation. Of course, it may be that flat earthers are unable to get to the extreme south as if you use a flat earth type map, as soon as you get south of the equator, your navigation quickly goes to hell.

PS, Note to MD: That space station project you did, well, I confess. I faked you out. Just as you were set to get your shots, I used my medieval catapult to launch on old lawn mower with three trash cans attached with chains across your camera view! Gotcha! If you had really studies your pics, you would have seen that Briggs and Stratton logo!

I would also hope that you can soon come clean on this science fakery as a Doctor! Cells do not exist! Have you eve seen one? Are you to tell me that a human body is some trillions cells all coordinated and working together like magic? Only a moron would believe such poppycock. Cell theory is part of the same scientific complex that brought us that round earth hoax! Flea ! Flea!

We've gone over this before in this same thread, and as I said I've read the relevant treaty. You need special permission from the U.S. government to go to Antarctica, otherwise you will be turned back. Let me know when you've gotten that permission to go exploring on your own.

The regulations focus on having a viable rescue plan in place. Otherwise, there is no one there to turn you back. As if there are hundreds of thousands of men working on the Antarctic Border Patrol. There have been several groups busted after the fact when their adventures required rescue efforts or there was loss of life. Im waiting for that video.."Watch our group turned back by the Antarctic Border Patrol!"
If you inform yourself about both Arctic and Antarctic extreme conditions, it is not the kind of place where you can run your zodiac up to the beach and go strolling around to check it out. Conditions are extreme and very remote. Otherwise you are free to go there if you have all the assets you need for exploration and rescue.

That is almost certainly not true, but feel free to cite your source. As I point out above in the edited post, you also have said that one can see the earth's curvature from an airplane. That is not true. And you said that a ship's bottom disappearing on the horizon before its top proves the earth's curvature. That is not true.

if you want a report from someone who explored Antarctica before the treaty was in force, check Capt. Cook's log. Three years, 60,000+ miles trying to sail around it.

[OutWest]

Have you guys noticed that those "actors" (if they are) on the ISS do not look like high calibre or high quality people? They look kind of goofy and not serious. Like goofballs or hillbillies, the kind of people who will do anything for money. Do you get that feeling from them too? It's as if the ISS has low criteria or low qualifications on who they will accept as a crew member. It's as if the screening process was simply:

Q: Are you willing to participate in a hoax if we pay you? And will you keep it a secret for life under penalty of death and the death of your loved ones?
A: Yeah sure. Why not? Sounds like a good deal! Let's do it!
Q: Ok we will prepare the contracts for you to sign. You will then be briefed further.

If so, then NASA would not try to recruit anyone to be an ISS crew member. Certainly not someone like Adama that gripes about truth and morals and God. They would look at the background of the applicant and pick people who have a history of lying for money and showing no conscience about it. Right?

Yes, I'm sure that any organization intent upon fooling the public has a well-developed system in place for determining who will play ball and who won't. Mind control and who was susceptible to it were very much the rage in certain government circles around the time NASA was formed.

But going back to the motivation of the astronauts to lie, I'm not sure you'd need to take it any further than assuming they were told we were in a propaganda war with the USSR, a battle to the death with godless communism, and the public relations victory of a moon landing was much needed in this war. The pictures of a ball earth came along with the deal out of necessity, and once everybody was in for a dollar, who was going to upset such a large apple cart?

Meanwhile NASA reports that there may be breakthroughs afoot in how to penetrate the Van Allen radiation belt and someday put a man on the moon. Oh wait..... Well, I guess it wasn't a problem in 1969 because, as one of the astronauts put it, they didn't know about it. But in fact they did. It was postulated in 1957, and the Soviets gave it as the reason the moon could not be reached.

How the moon shots got around the radiation belts is massively documented. It is not a secret, and yes, they were studied extensively since 1958, and yes, the Astronauts knew of their existence and the difficulties it could pose. It WAS a problem in 1969 that was addressed extensively.

[OutWest]

Have you guys noticed that those "actors" (if they are) on the ISS do not look like high calibre or high quality people? They look kind of goofy and not serious. Like goofballs or hillbillies, the kind of people who will do anything for money. Do you get that feeling from them too? It's as if the ISS has low criteria or low qualifications on who they will accept as a crew member. It's as if the screening process was simply:

Q: Are you willing to participate in a hoax if we pay you? And will you keep it a secret for life under penalty of death and the death of your loved ones?
A: Yeah sure. Why not? Sounds like a good deal! Let's do it!
Q: Ok we will prepare the contracts for you to sign. You will then be briefed further.

If so, then NASA would not try to recruit anyone to be an ISS crew member. Certainly not someone like Adama that gripes about truth and morals and God. They would look at the background of the applicant and pick people who have a history of lying for money and showing no conscience about it. Right?

Yes, I'm sure that any organization intent upon fooling the public has a well-developed system in place for determining who will play ball and who won't. Mind control and who was susceptible to it were very much the rage in certain government circles around the time NASA was formed.

But going back to the motivation of the astronauts to lie, I'm not sure you'd need to take it any further than assuming they were told we were in a propaganda war with the USSR, a battle to the death with godless communism, and the public relations victory of a moon landing was much needed in this war. The pictures of a ball earth came along with the deal out of necessity, and once everybody was in for a dollar, who was going to upset such a large apple cart?

Meanwhile NASA reports that there may be breakthroughs afoot in how to penetrate the Van Allen radiation belt and someday put a man on the moon. Oh wait..... Well, I guess it wasn't a problem in 1969 because, as one of the astronauts put it, they didn't know about it. But in fact they did. It was postulated in 1957, and the Soviets gave it as the reason the moon could not be reached.

How the moon shots got around the radiation belts is massively documented. It is not a secret, and yes, they were studied extensively since 1958, and yes, the Astronauts knew of their existence and the difficulties it could pose. It WAS a problem in 1969 that was addressed extensively.

[gsjackson]

You can find footage on youtube of one of the Apollo astronauts saying, when asked, that he didn't now anything about the Van Allen radiation belt.

[OutWest]

You can find footage on youtube of one of the Apollo astronauts saying, when asked, that he didn't now anything about the Van Allen radiation belt.

Maybe, it is a good thing that the engineers behind the project were well aware.