Why do we only hear negatives about women?

[mattyman]

Now, this is not to discredit the fact that some women can be evil bitches & can do unspeakable things.

Most of what I hear about women online seems to be very negative and discouraging. Here's why;

People who're out there happily mingling, happily dating and in happy relationships don't go banging on about it on forums when things go GOOD. However, when things go BAD, we never hear the end of it. Peopel get rejected, never hear the end of it, a girl flakes, never hear the end of it, a relationship breaks down, never hear the end of it.

THAT my friends is the reason why you hear mostly negativity and little positivity. Think about it. I'm saying this for younger guys who might have discovered the forum and might be feeling discouraged by some of the generally negative discussion.

As for those PUA types who brag about their conquests & how they can pump and dump any woman. They just need to grow the f**k up. Think about it, why would anyone need to brag to the world about something like this unless they feel dreadfully insecure about it all. Adults don't feel the need to brag about sexual conquests nor shame others. That's school behaviour.

Oh, and do please stop with this cretinous idea that guys who date foreign women are somehow losers who can't get laid in their own country. The same feminist shaming nonsense that's being criticized. There's two things;
-women from non-anglo countries are on the whole more forgiving, empathetic & less judgemental (not submissive, just not narcisstistic and callous)
-people who're socially-awkward are not bad, broken people (this stance makes me VERY CROSS), they're probably like that as a result of their environment, bullying, bad conditioning and bad advice
There's too much of the negativity brigade. If you don't like it, lump it!

[Zambales]

Oh, and do please stop with this cretinous idea that guys who date foreign women are somehow losers who can't get laid in their own country. The same feminist shaming nonsense that's being criticized. There's two things;
-women from non-anglo countries are on the whole more forgiving, empathetic & less judgemental (not submissive, just not narcisstistic and callous)

They also have a positive mindset when it comes to men & relationships unlike most of their negative thinking counterparts from the West. As for those women who belittle men for looking overseas, this question needs to be asked. If they're losers like you perceive them to be, why does it bother you so much?

[KAMEHAMEHA]

Most women are decent people in countries not corrupted by feminism. Feminism inverses the natural order of the world and inflicts extreme social disorder upon any countries unlucky enough to be fooled by the Jew.

[MrMan]

Aloha, Kamehameha.

Orthodox Jews tend to be conservative. A lot of Jews are left-wing, but a lot of these have abandoned many of the tenants of their own religion.

[Cornfed]

Aloha, Kamehameha.

Orthodox Jews tend to be conservative. A lot of Jews are left-wing, but a lot of these have abandoned many of the tenants of their own religion.

It doesn't make sense to categorise Jews as either left wing or right wing. They are for whatever allows them to screw over white people, which is entirely in line with their evil religion. In fact, screwing over white people pretty much is their religion.

[Contrarian Expatriate]

Truth telling about women online is fully justified because it means that people are afraid to express these truths in person for fear of bullying, false allegations, and white knighting (Let's you and him fight) from cuckified blue pill men.

I personally think that the truth telling about women does not go nearly far enough. If more people knew the goings on from women against men, they would push for the general segregation of women from men outside the home.

So when I hear people complaining about the negativity being written about women, what I also hear is "Stop assailing my delusions about the nature of women with your truth telling!"

[mattyman]

Of course some women do unspeakable things. What's said in places like MGTOW is DEFINITELY applicable to some women. It is true that guys do get burned badly. I agree that we shouldn't see all women as angels that can do no wrong and I can empathize where the philosophy & anger comes from; that you cannot say anything other than this about women.

I personally think that the truth telling about women does not go nearly far enough. If more people knew the goings on from women against men, they would push for the general segregation of women from men outside the home.

There's definitely some ugly truths in the way some women behave that many people out there do not want to contront, & behaviour that's being advocated by the cancer of third wave feminism, the 'me too' bullshit not helping. But I wouldn't go so far to say that all women are intrinsically bad, self-serving devoid of integrity as MGTOW does. This is not the same as saying all women are angels and can do no wrong. I definitely think that we should acknowledge that women can be just as nasty and devoid of integrity and think it should stop being politically incorrect to do so.

Thing is; if a man does something unspeakable to a woman, it's PC to say 'not all men are good'. Yet if woman does something bad to a man, it's not politically correct to say 'not all women are angels'.

What's worse is, if a man does unspeakable things to a woman, it's OK to say 'all men are pigs', but if a woman does that to a man, that's also un PC even though the same emotional is there.

Here is where I think MGTOW is falling into the same trap as feminism.

RE OP
What I wanted to point out with this thread is, a lot of the negativity that ALL women are intrinsically evil and self-serving DOES disproportionately come from people who are either lonely & unhappy or see relations with the fairer sex in terms of pump and dump (e.g. Rooshv). This is my opinion and observation. Anyone's welcome to criticize it, the important thing is, it's out there open to discussion.

[Contrarian Expatriate]

But I wouldn't go so far to say that all women are intrinsically bad, self-serving devoid of integrity as MGTOW does. This is not the same as saying all women are angels and can do no wrong.

Typical red herring argument.... Can you show me a reference or example where MGTOW advocates that women are intrinsically bad? What MGTOW and Red Pill communities DO believe is that women's intrinsic nature makes them prone to utilizing both the state and white knight men to bully or destroy men they do not like by proxy. Every man destroyed by a wife or girlfriend at one time believed that his sweet tart partner was an exceptional, virtuous, and loyal, woman until the time that she chose to exercise her domination/destruction over that man.

What you SHOULD be taking away from this is that fickle female nature + gynocentric state power = potential destruction for men. That is why MGTOW advocate against marriage, having child and cohabiting with women, at least in the Gynocentric West. Focus less on what red pill thinks about women, and more on the fact that the West hands ALL women a metaphorical loaded gun. Some women will shoot it at men, and some women will never get to that point. So the root cause is the system, not the women!

Now in the case of Western women like those in America, things have gotten so bad that many men do view them as existential threats to the well-being of men. I think such thinking is fully justified, were it would not be in a place like Japan, Belarus, Jordan, etc.

If a man does unspeakable things to a woman, it's OK to say 'all men are pigs', but if a woman does that to a man, that's also un PC even though the same emotional is there.

Here is where I think MGTOW is falling into the same trap as feminism.

That double standard is because of Western gynocentrism. That you can at least see that is encouraging. Western women are treated like a "Master Race" now.

However, I have a problem with your comparing MGTOW to Feminism. I liken that to the SJW who considers "Trump just like a Nazi" or Obama "Just like a Black Panther" or the Democrats "Just like the Republicans." If you cannot muster the means to have an understanding of both camps you will never be able to understand how they are vastly different. When that is the case, it is not even worth engaging an individual so devoid of wanting to seek truth. That is often a person with a biased agenda of showing off feigned virtue. You don't want to be that guy.

RE OP
What I wanted to point out with this thread is, a lot of the negativity that ALL women are intrinsically evil and self-serving DOES disproportionately come from people who are either lonely & unhappy or see relations with the fairer sex in terms of pump and dump (e.g. Rooshv). This is my opinion and observation. Anyone's welcome to criticize it, the important thing is, it's out there open to discussion.

Hard to say, but I can tell you that there are far more lonely, unhappy, and idealistic men who are blue pill like yourself than those who are red pill. Americans are among the most depressed, lonely, substance addicted, and suicidal people on the planet right now, and men who have swallowed the red pill are UNDERREPRESENTED in that group because we avoid the pitfalls, the gynocentric traps, and the ruinous, state-sponsored breakings of men on behalf of women.

RooshV is a serial monogamist now who is living a location independent life abroad in a manner people on this site would envy. Any recent viewing of his recent material on YouTube would show that your opinion of him is based upon his activity as a recent college grad, not now. Libido modulates as one gets older and men are not so beholden to seeking and conquering vagina as they were as young men. You might need to review his recent material and read his new book Game to understand that.

So all in all, my advice to you would be:

-Stop trying to signal virtue by stating the obvious NAWALT motifs (Not all women are like that), while ignoring that all women are state-empowered to be like that if they want to at any given point.

-Stop trying to equate two vastly different concepts, MGTOW and Feminism as similar when you could read from wikipedia even that they are completely different. Feminism = Increasing State intervention to impose and maintain equality between men and women. MGTOW = Removing oneself from the risk of being controlled, dominated, abused, and disposed of wealth by state-empowered women (Going Galt if you will.)

Finally, if you want to be truly useful, you might want to see just how poorly random women (and a white knight, effeminate man) on the street think about you, instead of trying to white knight for them. They don't need your help. They are already more powerful than you. And they have utter contempt for men like you.



So if you wanted to know why I consider Western women to be my enemy, now you know. I don't like Western women. I don't trust Western women. and nothing they do would ever surprise me because they are "empowered" to commit any act against a men with little to no accountability.

[tom]

Mainstream media and education is consistently anti-male and excessively placating to women. Its the complete opposite, you never hear any negatives about women only non offensive positive narratives. But many of the narratives are downright evil like fat acceptance. Many are false and self destructive if acted upon.

Data & Society made a bonkers report but most of who they mention are worth checking out. It is driven by the ideology MGTOW has been fighting since the early 2000's. They created this name "alternative influence network" and have framed it in a pejorative way to demonize it. There linking is way off. You too can check out who is interesting.



I know what Data & Societies methodology is, it's guilt and shame manipulation. The root transgression is guilt by association which the violator must feel guilt for. Data & Society follows a kind of SJW primordial religion. This moralizing SJW religion seeks to influence all. To this holy end they are grated the right to tell lies. It's a means to gain authority when they lack the physical power to enforce authority. Data & Society allegedly claims to have power, authority on there side, much of this support is gained under false pretense. Truth doesn’t come from empirical evidence or experience, but from there holy lies or moral purpose. Conform, or deny it at your own peril.



Notice the body language, its on purpose. See Bombards Body Language

[mattyman]

There's a great point;

What MGTOW and Red Pill communities DO believe is that women's intrinsic nature makes them prone to utilizing both the state and white knight men to bully or destroy men they do not like by proxy.

Using the state and sycophantic men, yeah, women think they can get away with more than men because of that. Using the intrinsic insecurity of men & their need to connect with women AGAINST men, disgusting but true, some will. Yes, this is what AVFM abd Elam has been been saying too.

What you SHOULD be taking away from this is that fickle female nature + gynocentric state power = potential destruction for men. That is why MGTOW advocate against marriage, having child and cohabiting with women, at least in the Gynocentric West. Focus less on what red pill thinks about women, and more on the fact that the West hands ALL women a metaphorical loaded gun. Some women will shoot it at men, and some women will never get to that point. So the root cause is the system, not the women!

With this in mind, isn't it all about having healthy boundaries, being willing to walk away, being willing to tell a woman with red flags who you disapprove of you don't agree with her (possibly telling her to f**k-off)?

All this 'red pill/blue pill' stuff, isn't this rather partisan language? I don't think that might be the best way to frame viewpoints. That causes an 'us and them' view that could be a barrier for the mainstream to understand the valid points that are raised in red pill communities. I'm very passionate about the issues that are brought up.

we must also not fall into the trap of thinking we're 'better' then those 'blue-pill' people. Remember, people who think they know everything can ed up falling into the trap of ignorance.

RE rooshv;
my opinion is based on an interview by Paul Elam and from what I saw on his seminars in London in 2017. He does strike me as just as gynocentric as a lot of the 'blue pill' men. He advocates this mentality that sex with as many women as possible is the key to happiness, focus on approval from women. I've always found his presentation style to be a bit bland and miserable. I'm not saying what he says is all bad but I don't see people like that as a role model should I have a son.

I don't see much in the way of sound advice for learning from mistakes. At least from Elam I see advice for this.

A further branch and takeaway; learning from mistakes
If a relationship goes pear-shaped, it happens. The takeaway from 'redpill' could be having healthier boundaries (doesn't mean you have to think all women are nasty and evil by nature) but being willing to not put up with what you won't put up with in a friend. Some mistakes might well have been due to the false assumption that 'all women are angels who can do no wrong'. It is THAT which needs questioning & its THAT which I'm passionate about & why guys give women exceptions. It's not acceptable.

RE the OP, original topic
Anyway, the truth is, the most negative ideas about women do tend to come from people who've had bad experiences and who're lonely. People who're happy with their love lives and social lives generally don't go around banging on about their escapades online (like PUA's), it's not a big deal. When things go bad, or are not going well whether in pursuit of love or a relationship not working out, we never hear the end of it (broken record).

[Contrarian Expatriate]

All this 'red pill/blue pill' stuff, isn't this rather partisan language? I don't think that might be the best way to frame viewpoints. That causes an 'us and them' view that could be a barrier for the mainstream to understand the valid points that are raised in red pill communities. I'm very passionate about the issues that are brought up.

Yes, redpill/bluepill is a continuum based on one's experience and one's processing of those experiences. I see you as someone who is possibly "purple pill" trying to make sense of conflicting messages from both sides. The colors just tend to contextualize where someone's understanding is of reality. Think of blue pill as what society is programmed or taught to believe, and red pill as what actually is after close examination.

we must also not fall into the trap of thinking we're 'better' then those 'blue-pill' people. Remember, people who think they know everything can ed up falling into the trap of ignorance.

I mostly agree here. I was once a completely blue pilled simp until I experienced various workplaces, various countries, and had various things to compare against American and Western culture and women which shifted me to see things more clearly. I came to recognize that feminism taught women to bully men into thinking that they were "privileged." The male (primarily white male) ego humble-bragged itself into accepting that privileged label so they would chivalrously let women get ahead with opportunities without realizing that they were already lacking in the very "privilege" women convinced them they had!

So what you view as thinking one is better, is simply bashing male feminists sycophants with the truth, impolitely or otherwise. A metaphorical brick to the head is what these men need, hence my in your face chip on my shoulder. Gynocentrism will not be defeated by mere civility.

So while I am one of the most red pilled (that is, I see the Western female bamboozle for what it really is) individuals you will ever encounter, I don't think that I am "better" for having both seen and experienced female harassment and discrimination against men with impunity any more than the combat survivor is "better" for having fought in active combat. A red pill experience simply makes one more aware of the true state of things.
Think of blue pill as simply a stage of awareness. Some can never get beyond it, some make it to the purple pill stage, and some become the mouth-frothing, blood red pill, agitators of my particular ilk. I have filed multiple lawsuits against women and misandric institutions (all successful), I have treated women with head-spinning retribution, and I live for the day to see the gynocentrism of the West uprooted and destroyed by any means necessary. The society is corrupt and must be rebuilt from the ground up before any change can take place.

[tom]

Another SJW attack example, he calls himself Hugh Mungus as a joke cause he is a little bigger than he should be and used it as an alias because the girl had crazy eyes.



A bit more background by H3H3 on the lead up the encounter in the Seattle City Council Chamber, the female supremacist women Zarna Joshi was making what sounds like witch cackles to disrupt Hugh Mungus.



The SJW religion hacks humans and one of its most successful ones is redirecting the mother child relationship. Women by natural evolution are made to be exploited by small children, that is babies. Human babies are helpless and always need care as without it they would die. What SJW ideologies do is hijack the mother child relationship and redirect it to completely different ends. Zarna Joshi is an example of someone who is highly vulnerable to this hack. She feels completely justified doing horrible things to people she does not like.



Once Zarna Joshi actions are exposed virtually everyone thinks she wrong and a malicious wacko.

[Neo]

Satan targeted Eve, not Adam. Likewise, the information campaign to destroy civilization is mainly aimed at women. It is about increasing women's pride. In this way, women will go on to do great damage to civilization. It is all part of a multifaceted plan to destroy human relations, especially the family, and civilization. It is of the wicked one.

Women are the first target because of their position which is subordinate to their husbands.

This is why we had women's suffrage to give women "a voice." This is why we have feminism (the religion of female empowerment and pride). This is why custody and property go to women, so they can control the family and usurp the man's authority and role. This is why they want women to be believed without proof.

Just corrupt the women and men are almost automatically destroyed. Just like Adam simply went on and was destroyed because of his love for Eve after she had been seduced by the wicked one.

Now, if a woman has been exposed to this feminist propaganda yet doesn't start to believe that she is both superior to men and deserving of reverence from every man, while also being the victim because of her gender, then this is a good woman.

So why would you not hear of the good? Everyone expects women to be good. That is part of the information campaign. It is so strong though, that if a man even whispers against this deeply ingrained cultural belief, he risks being insulted and belittled. It's hardly acceptable to say anything bad about even bad women.

[Neo]

Women can commit domestic violence and it will go unnoticed. A man commits domestic violence and many people will turn against him and a jail sentence is likely. A double standard that women benefit from.

Women can murder their husbands and get away with it, if their claims of domestic violence or marital rape are believed.

Women can murder their unborn children. They don't need to make any claim of oppression to get away with murdering unborn innocent babies.

Women can murder their young children and claim depression, and sometimes get away with it.

Women can accuse innocent men of sexual harassment or rape without proof and ruin a man's reputation and life, and get away with it.

Women have great liberty to commit evil, murder and all kinds of corruption. This is called feminism and women's liberation. It has corrupted the world.

I love women; the kind of women who are not evil and who have not been corrupted and who do not support feminism, abortion, etc.

[jamesbond]

Women can commit domestic violence and it will go unnoticed. A man commits domestic violence and many people will turn against him and a jail sentence is likely. A double standard that women benefit from.

Women can murder their husbands and get away with it, if their claims of domestic violence or marital rape are believed.

Women can murder their unborn children. They don't need to make any claim of oppression to get away with murdering unborn innocent babies.

Women can murder their young children and claim depression, and sometimes get away with it.

Women can accuse innocent men of sexual harassment or rape without proof and ruin a man's reputation and life, and get away with it.

Women have great liberty to commit evil, murder and all kinds of corruption. This is called feminism and women's liberation. It has corrupted the world.

I love women; the kind of women who are not evil and who have not been corrupted and who do not support feminism, abortion, etc.

Excellent points and all true.