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In Steve's new videos he seems to have softened his stance about women. He used to have strong opinions about TFL and was convinced MGTOW but now he seems to have toned down his thoughts a lot. I wonder what happened

Because most of MGTOW and TFL (same f***ing thing) is mostly based on anger. And being angry for too long is not good for your health. So overall it might be a good idea to travel outside the US of Gay or soften your stance.

MarcosZeitola wrote:He probably did some growing up. MGTOW-TFL and all that jazz, it's hopelessly immature gibberish by men with too much time on their hands. When a man gets a purpose in life, and his dick and keyboard aren't the only things he gets to play with, they simply grow out of it.

My guess is, Steve gained some life experience and grew out of it.

Agreed. Many of my guy friends here in Seattle are no longer angry. They've just accepted the fact that they'll remain single the rest of their lives. That or Steve is getting his wick dipped

drronnie wrote:In Steve's new videos he seems to have softened his stance about women.

About which videos are you talking? Any link please...

pete98146 wrote: Agreed. Many of my guy friends here in Seattle are no longer angry. They've just accepted the fact that they'll remain single the rest of their lives.

Well, Seattle is not the worst place in USA, many men will prefer to remain single and to keep their jobs, some of them fairly good paid.

I wonder however if others, for example in Detroit, Dayton and similar cities, where the economic situation is much worse, are thinking the same or are more ready to relocate and to try something else.

Yohan wrote:

drronnie wrote:In Steve's new videos he seems to have softened his stance about women.

About which videos are you talking? Any link please...

Some how I can not post URL but you can check out the video Steve Hoca interviews Mitchell from 23 September

I think you means this audio.

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If you look at the latest video he posted he seems like the classic Steve. I just think that Mitchell guy he was interviewing is a mangina.

If you look at his subsequent videos like GoingAwol said, he still holds for the most part the same views.

I guess he had his hopes up for short period of time but then he got burned once again. Maybe he should try to move somehwere more appreciated than by the US girls.

While I do agree that some men who are frustrated with the dating scene actually become MGTOW but I think the majority of men who are actually going their own way have had bad relationship with women and rightfully become wary of women

just watched some of his new videos, he keeps spinnin the same shit abt mgtow and women.
Why american men have need to label themselves as mgtow,thats stupid. Every men is mgtow unless he gettin p***y. These people are not wanted anyway and women couldnt care less about mgtow. Its like bunch of obese and ugly women choosing to avoid men. Would anyone care??

Hot and cool guys are plentiful and only if they drop out of the system then women might get upset. You with me fellas?

Stev hawka looks like ISIS follower with his beard.

MarcosZeitola wrote:

drronnie wrote:I guess he had his hopes up for short period of time but then he got burned once again. Maybe he should try to move somehwere more appreciated than by the US girls.

While I do agree that some men who are frustrated with the dating scene actually become MGTOW but I think the majority of men who are actually going their own way have had bad relationship with women and rightfully become wary of women

Lol, most of them are just weak, lazy cowards who take the easy way out: giving up. They then make 1000+ word posts explaining how what they do is noble, heroic, totally makes sense, but at the end of the day they're just a bunch of pussies who refuse to get off their asses. Some are even delusional enough to think that what they do makes a difference, or that women are somehow "upset" at their choices... it's pathetic. They say the best revenge is living well, so if you have beef with some woman, find a better one, some place else, and forget about the past.

MGTOW is a group of men defending their complete and utter lack of trying. They care more about their gay little movement then they care about actually enjoying life. So they waste hour, after hour, after hour, debating people online and spreading their Gospel Truth, while better men simply go out and enjoy themselves, building up a good life and having a good time. And the have-nots cry and rage at the haves, without ever stopping to think for a second that maybe this isn't an awfully productive way of spending one's time.

All this whiny defeatism gets old real fast.

I agree w. A lot of those guys honestly believe they are going to starve women into submission, which in theory might work on a very small island or some other place with a very small number of individuals. However in a complex society full of millions of people, no one will ever notice them.

Yes, it is weakness. I realize now that I was focusing on the wrong women. Due to my insanely low self esteem, I only went after pigs. That is women who were extremely below average. I was a sucker in that those women were the ones who were the most outspoken or flirty (low hanging fruit). Each one of them cruelly rejected me. Now I realize, it is because they were ugly that they rejected me. Ugly women simply project their feelings of worthlessness onto everyone around them, bringing everyone else down. And if a man tries to rescue or hook up with an ugly birch, especially if he isnt ugly himself, then she will treat him like absolute crap, because that is how she feels about herself due to her lack of beauty. But I saw myself as ugly as well, because of the way women treated me. So it became a vicious circle.

Then I realized that you need to just forget about plain, ordinary and ugly women altogether. They should be working hard to make sure their insides arent a reflection of their outsides, but most of the time, their personalities match their appearance, and they arent smart enough to overcome it. The other thing is, it is time to bail at the first sign of trouble. I was so desperate that after a woman treated me like crap, I still kept on. Especially since I had retarded friends who told me "That's how all women are. Just be a man and accept it." Or "But she still likes you." I wonder if they were really believing that, or if they knew this girl was a psycho and just wanted to relish in the drama. Either way, now I believe that men are more worthless than women.

The problem is focus. Once you start focusing on the negative, that is all that will come to you, because your mind will pull you in that direction. Another problem is that American women are paradoxically very submissive in the initial stages of relationships. They can not help the man seal the deal. This is why when women are friendly they are mistaken for being flirty sometimes. It is because the American women doesnt have much courage to even flirt with a man, unless it is to get an ego boost (and usually those are busted women doing all the flirting cause they are not beautiful and they know it). Men have to do all the work, and more than that, the man has to know exactly what he is doing, and he must have a concrete plan in his mind for things to work. Because American women can't help one bit because they are weak and spoiled. So if you don't know what to say or do with American women as the man, you're out of luck, cause the woman will not step up to help out. She can not, because they don't know what they are doing either. Really they are just waiting for the man to take control.

I have also realized that American women tend to flirt in a very oblique, indirect way most of the time. Unlike in Europe or South America where the women have excellent eye contact, body language, and sometimes even boldness, the American women relies on osmosis. She will get a friend with her and go stand next to the guy she's interested in. Then she'll either talk about how she is single and wants a man, or how she had sex with guys at parties. These are two of the oblique ways AWs flirt. Then they want the man to jump in and volunteer to go with them. They prefer this route over simply looking in a man's eyes, smiling and asking him questions about himself.

So there may be many women who are interested, but they lack the courage to show it, and even then, you'd almost have to be the equivalent of a social rocket scientist to figure out how American women operate.


MGTOW, MRA, Feminism, Lesbianism, faggotry. Go isolate yourself in your one bedroom apartment, masturbate to porn in your free time, play with your video games and your dogs and cats, forget about women until you are too old for it to matter after you retire, when there is little testosterone floating around for you to be interested anyhow. Do you think that might decrease the birth rate a little? Keep the fools distracted while they age out of the game. Morons. Then they'll wake up at age 55 or 60, realize they have no children or grand children, and all their friends are electrons on a screen.

I wouldnt be surprised if some of the more prominent advocates of MRA/MGTOW are CIA or Army intelligent shills and plants, similar to how Gloria Steinem led an entire generation of women astray.

Just like with Occupy Wallstreet and other movements, in which George Soros paid $30 million to "protesters" to derail the movement. I would not be surprised if there are many shills on these forums sent to deceive us all.

Adama wrote:Ugly women simply project their feelings of worthlessness onto everyone around them, bringing everyone else down. And if a man tries to rescue or hook up with an ugly birch, especially if he isnt ugly himself, then she will treat him like absolute crap, because that is how she feels about herself due to her lack of beauty.

Mmhh I don't know, sometimes they're just trying to "add value" to themselves by being bitchy and "rejecting". The saying that you should not go for the hottest one in a group is valid, but I've found sometimes going for the less attractive one on a group can backfire too for this reason. I think the best is when they're more or less "even", so there's no queen and vassals.