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More and more, to me, it seems like a fairy tale. Relationships seem like they're just about status and sex.

RickyRetardo wrote:More and more, to me, it seems like a fairy tale. Relationships seem like they're just about status and sex.

Do you have the ability to love someone? Maybe that is the question...

RickyRetardo wrote:More and more, to me, it seems like a fairy tale. Relationships seem like they're just about status and sex.

Yes, love as it is presented to men is a fairytale. Females see you as a resource, and the best you can hope for is that they love you as you might love a stylish leather jacket or such like.

No true love for me. I'm not rich enough to attract true love.

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Ghost wrote:No. The idea of true love (or even "love" at all) is a modern invention. For much of history, the concept didn't even exist as we think of it today.

It seems to have a somewhat long, if sporadic pedigree. I don't know, but it may have originated with the Roman elegiac poets Propertius, Tibullus and Ovid (although Ovid actually seems to have been mocking the other two) and then reared its ugly head again with the medieval courtly love bullshit.

seems like an illusion to me

Ghost wrote:No. The idea of true love (or even "love" at all) is a modern invention. For much of history, the concept didn't even exist as we think of it today. The concept of love in modernity is a feeling, and it blows with the wind. The ancients would have seen it as a fulfilling of duty, more or less.

This isn't to say that it is that simple to let go of. We seek out what we understand as romantic love because we are all products of our culture - cultural robots so to speak. Not that one can't break out of it, but it is difficult to go against programming.

This. 'True love' is just an illusion. It is nothing more than lust.

MarcosZeitola wrote:

sea_dragon wrote:

Ghost wrote:No. The idea of true love (or even "love" at all) is a modern invention. For much of history, the concept didn't even exist as we think of it today. The concept of love in modernity is a feeling, and it blows with the wind. The ancients would have seen it as a fulfilling of duty, more or less.

This isn't to say that it is that simple to let go of. We seek out what we understand as romantic love because we are all products of our culture - cultural robots so to speak. Not that one can't break out of it, but it is difficult to go against programming.

This. 'True love' is just an illusion. It is nothing more than lust.

I pity you for being so unromantic and lacking in imagination. Don't be afraid to be a dreamer. Over analysis will only result in a headache and a cold and detached view of the world and humanity. A lot of people here are so... negative. It's a shame and hope each and every one of you finds someone awesome to rid you of that negativity. Suck the poison out, if you will. It's no way to live a life seeing the world through blackened glasses.

I think you are outnumbered here..remember...misery demands company.

MarcosZeitola wrote:

sea_dragon wrote:

Ghost wrote:No. The idea of true love (or even "love" at all) is a modern invention. For much of history, the concept didn't even exist as we think of it today. The concept of love in modernity is a feeling, and it blows with the wind. The ancients would have seen it as a fulfilling of duty, more or less.

This isn't to say that it is that simple to let go of. We seek out what we understand as romantic love because we are all products of our culture - cultural robots so to speak. Not that one can't break out of it, but it is difficult to go against programming.

This. 'True love' is just an illusion. It is nothing more than lust.

I pity you for being so unromantic and lacking in imagination. Don't be afraid to be a dreamer. Over analysis will only result in a headache and a cold and detached view of the world and humanity. A lot of people here are so... negative. It's a shame and hope each and every one of you finds someone awesome to rid you of that negativity. Suck the poison out, if you will. It's no way to live a life seeing the world through blackened glasses.

For a vast majority of the population, I'd say no.

Even my bizarre happy situation with Mel is a one in a million occurrence, which is why I no longer talk about it. The world around us is jealous, embittered, and so-forth, because we're best of friends and had known each other for over a decade and half.

Perhaps you'd found some *Paradise Lost* world in the Philippines, I just don't see it around me.

Maybe, maybe not. I'm happy to know that I can get some puh from women I'm attracted to now though.

sea_dragon wrote:

Ghost wrote:No. The idea of true love (or even "love" at all) is a modern invention. For much of history, the concept didn't even exist as we think of it today. The concept of love in modernity is a feeling, and it blows with the wind. The ancients would have seen it as a fulfilling of duty, more or less.

This isn't to say that it is that simple to let go of. We seek out what we understand as romantic love because we are all products of our culture - cultural robots so to speak. Not that one can't break out of it, but it is difficult to go against programming.

This. 'True love' is just an illusion. It is nothing more than lust.

Sorry MarcosZeitola, but Sea dragon is right. What we refer to as "true love" is nothing more than intense lust. Science and relationship experts confirm that. For example, see this article that clearly states this. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -love.html

Nothing wrong with being in lust though (aka: true love), even better if your lust can turn into a deep real love over time.

"Do you think you will find true love?"

Already have!

I found my Bella. She's the love of my life. I used the resources of HappierAbroad and it lead me to her. Her love has humbled me in so many ways. I don't feel angry anymore. I'm not bitter. I can fully enjoy life with a good girl by my side. Love can happen. It doesn't happen when you want it to. Most guys do feel lonely, feel hopeless, and think there's no woman out there for them. That's not true at all. There's 6 billion f***ing people on this planet. All you have to do is try. All you need is faith. It's not about religious dogmatic bullshit. It's about trusting your God-spirit that all of us have. Be patient and improve yourself as a good person and human being to others.

Karma rewards kindness. Jah Love.

RickyRetardo wrote:More and more, to me, it seems like a fairy tale. Relationships seem like they're just about status and sex.

That's how I feel about America. To be honest with you, as long as I'm here, I'm going to keep going my own way as a M.G.T.O.W. There's still too much narcissism, shallowness, and most women with no substance here. And this problem is not getting any better along with the other problems that come with the American culture. Doesn't matter if I find a foreign woman or not. Marriage is simply out of the question. And if I'm to be with her forever, I'm going over to where she is. I don't want to stay any longer in America than I have to. I know there is a way out. I'm just waiting for the right time to do it. I'm still getting my shit together first.