Why would anyone want to be a doctor or nurse? Too much overtime and schooling required.

[Cornfed]

The AMA carefully controlled training positions via lobbying efforts to maintain doctor/patient ratios that would make salaries stay stable. The US never had enough medical school positions to ensure that we would have enough doctors for safe care, so we've always had to import a good number to keep the system afloat (this is changing, as medical school class sizes have exploded in recent years, so a smaller number of positions is left for foreign applicants each year).

You know it is only a matter of time before the AMA lose their power, right?

[HouseMD]

The AMA carefully controlled training positions via lobbying efforts to maintain doctor/patient ratios that would make salaries stay stable. The US never had enough medical school positions to ensure that we would have enough doctors for safe care, so we've always had to import a good number to keep the system afloat (this is changing, as medical school class sizes have exploded in recent years, so a smaller number of positions is left for foreign applicants each year).

You know it is only a matter of time before the AMA lose their power, right?

Actually they consolidated even more recently by taking over the only competiting residency system- the osteopathuc residency system- and merging it into their own. For my working lifetime, I'm all set. But even if I wasn't, I invest heavily and live modestly, so I'll be able to entirely replace my income passively within 12 years. I doubt the sky will fall in that time, despite any always incorrect predictions by Taco.

[Cornfed]

I doubt the sky will fall in that time, despite any always incorrect predictions by Taco.

Pilots thought that too and look what happened to them.

[Horahngee]

My work is done outpatient, mostly. When you're the only, say, neurologist in a cachement area of 500,000 people, there is a lot of potential for clearing large salaries as you're the only game in town. You can easily bring on 5 nurse practitioners and double your salary, as every patient with nerve damage, migraines, epilepsy, etc in the population is coming to your shop. I'm in a field with similar dynamics, where regular care is required on an outpatient basis and the waiting lists for getting in to a practice are literally 6 months to a year long. You could drive hours to a practice in the city, but why drive 3 hours for an outpatient appointment?

Dude, you did not answer my question. I asked you in a previous posting what your focus/concentration was in medicine.

Do you specialize in a certain area of medicine?

I ask because it's only plastic/cosmetic surgeons, dermatologists, anesthesiologists and radiologists that I know of who make $280K-$340K per year.

Regular internal medicine or family practice doctors do not make $30K per month as you claim. No, I do not believe that.

Regulard docs only make $170K-$210 K annually. And these are GROSS income figures. After tax, these docs get paid less. Not to mention that they are "slaves" to the banks and financial institutes who lend them financial aid money for medical school tuition and other miscellaneous fees.

[HouseMD]

My work is done outpatient, mostly. When you're the only, say, neurologist in a cachement area of 500,000 people, there is a lot of potential for clearing large salaries as you're the only game in town. You can easily bring on 5 nurse practitioners and double your salary, as every patient with nerve damage, migraines, epilepsy, etc in the population is coming to your shop. I'm in a field with similar dynamics, where regular care is required on an outpatient basis and the waiting lists for getting in to a practice are literally 6 months to a year long. You could drive hours to a practice in the city, but why drive 3 hours for an outpatient appointment?

Dude, you did not answer my question. I asked you in a previous posting what your focus/concentration was in medicine.

Do you specialize in a certain area of medicine?

I ask because it's only plastic/cosmetic surgeons, dermatologists, anesthesiologists and radiologists that I know of who make $280K-$340K per year.

Regular internal medicine or family practice doctors do not make $30K per month as you claim. No, I do not believe that.

Regulard docs only make $170K-$210 K annually. And these are GROSS income figures. After tax, these docs get paid less. Not to mention that they are "slaves" to the banks and financial institutes who lend them financial aid money for medical school tuition and other miscellaneous fees.

The average specialist makes 338k. Look at medscape or any other salary survey. I'm not disclosing my specialty, as it would make me too easy to doxx. Average offers in my area are 350k+80k tax free loan repayment+malpractice+health insurance. That comes to 240k after taxes plus 80k loan repayment. It's more than enough to live off of.

[Horahngee]

The average specialist makes 338k. Look at medscape or any other salary survey. I'm not disclosing my specialty, as it would make me too easy to doxx. Average offers in my area are 350k+80k tax free loan repayment+malpractice+health insurance. That comes to 240k after taxes plus 80k loan repayment. It's more than enough to live off of.

You get tax free loan repayment because you probably decided to work somewhere in the boonies where there are hardly any doctors or medical profession serving that area. There are plenty of medical school loan repayment option if you work in the boonies of Alaska or near or on some kind of native American reservation. If you're a white guy, then yeah, that is fine if you live out in the boonies. But if not, such as in my case, then I would not want to work out somewhere in Wyoming or even cold-ass freezing Alaska to get loan repayment.

I also still highly doubt that your "specialty" annual salary is around $300K especially if you work as a "specialist" in some kind of rural area.

If you do not work in the specialty medical field of cosmetic/plastic surgery, dermatology, anesthesiology, radiology or bone/ortho surgery, then you do not make that much.

With Obamacare and other welfare type of health insurances out there, with the rules changing every year, your average doctors are not making the big bucks as they used to in the past.

[HouseMD]

The average specialist makes 338k. Look at medscape or any other salary survey. I'm not disclosing my specialty, as it would make me too easy to doxx. Average offers in my area are 350k+80k tax free loan repayment+malpractice+health insurance. That comes to 240k after taxes plus 80k loan repayment. It's more than enough to live off of.

You get tax free loan repayment because you probably decided to work somewhere in the boonies where there are hardly any doctors or medical profession serving that area. There are plenty of medical school loan repayment option if you work in the boonies of Alaska or near or on some kind of native American reservation. If you're a white guy, then yeah, that is fine if you live out in the boonies. But if not, such as in my case, then I would not want to work out somewhere in Wyoming or even cold-ass freezing Alaska to get loan repayment.

I also still highly doubt that your "specialty" annual salary is around $300K especially if you work as a "specialist" in some kind of rural area.

If you do not work in the specialty medical field of cosmetic/plastic surgery, dermatology, anesthesiology, radiology or bone/ortho surgery, then you do not make that much.

With Obamacare and other welfare type of health insurances out there, with the rules changing every year, your average doctors are not making the big bucks as they used to in the past.

I literally posted a link to a massive study that shows exactly how much doctors make and you're like, "nah but they don't." Just go on indeed.com, type in whatever kind of doctor you like, and add $250,000 to the search to filter for only jobs making over $250,000. There's plenty of them, even in hospitalist work.

https://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=Hospitali ... 0%2C000&l=

A typical offer below, in a big city

https://www.indeed.com/m/viewjob?jk=7fc ... 1&dupclk=0

Here are the "lowly" FPs

https://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=Family+ph ... 0%2C000&l=

Emergency medicine, a similarly competitive field to my own

https://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=Emergency ... 0%2C000&l=

Etc etc. Physician salaries have increased faster than inflation for years, compare the Medscspe 2010 salary survey versus the 2018, for instance.

[Horahngee]

I literally posted a link to a massive study that shows exactly how much doctors make and you're like, "nah but they don't." Just go on indeed.com, type in whatever kind of doctor you like, and add $250,000 to the search to filter for only jobs making over $250,000. There's plenty of them, even in hospitalist work.

https://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=Hospitali ... 0%2C000&l=

A typical offer below, in a big city

https://www.indeed.com/m/viewjob?jk=7fc ... 1&dupclk=0

Here are the "lowly" FPs

https://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=Family+ph ... 0%2C000&l=

Emergency medicine, a similarly competitive field to my own

https://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=Emergency ... 0%2C000&l=

Etc etc. Physician salaries have increased faster than inflation for years, compare the Medscspe 2010 salary survey versus the 2018, for instance.

^ Hmmm... I don't know House MD.

With Obamacare and other cheaper health care initiatives in the work, doctors will be getting paid less, and there will be more demands from doctors in the near future.

Not to mention the potential lawsuits that doctors can face for malpractice. Not just malpractice, but America is such a "sue-happy" type of country that some people are discouraged from pursuing the field of medicine profession.

[HouseMD]

Malpractice costs my already practicing friends 4-6k/year, it really isn't that bad and almost all employers pay it for you

[Horahngee]

Malpractice costs my already practicing friends 4-6k/year, it really isn't that bad and almost all employers pay it for you

LOOL!!

Yeah, not bad if the doctor works as a hospitalist for a corporate hospital or as a doctor for a clinic associated with a hospital's company.

However, if you're a doctor who works independently and runs a small independent clinic, that $4K-$6K for malpractice insurance per year really adds up.

Anyhow, good for you HouseMD, that you have a good comfortable MD job being a doctor with a "hidden" specialty.

[HouseMD]

Malpractice costs my already practicing friends 4-6k/year, it really isn't that bad and almost all employers pay it for you

LOOL!!

Yeah, not bad if the doctor works as a hospitalist for a corporate hospital or as a doctor for a clinic associated with a hospital's company.

However, if you're a doctor who works independently and runs a small independent clinic, that $4K-$6K for malpractice insurance per year really adds up.

Anyhow, good for you HouseMD, that you have a good comfortable MD job being a doctor with a "hidden" specialty.

I mean, I'm still a resident so my life is hardly comfortable yet. 70-80 hour weeks for 50k a year are the price I have to pay to become an attending, unfortunately. Soon I'll be done, and life will be much better.

[aspiabc]

Getting to be a doctor is a big challenge and a chunk of lifetime sacrifice and then providing an important service. So respects for those who can do it. It certainly seems like some of the best well-paying job security today as a positive. Looking at myself now, I don't think I could handle it as I wouldn't be comfortable having to take and analyze samples and whatnot from people and it sounds worse for hands-on nurses. If I could've or ended up in medical I would probably try to get into research only, at maybe some pharmaceutical or research firm.

[Horahngee]

I mean, I'm still a resident so my life is hardly comfortable yet. 70-80 hour weeks for 50k a year are the price I have to pay to become an attending, unfortunately. Soon I'll be done, and life will be much better.

LOL! Now you state that you're just a resident. So you're not making "$10,000 / month" as you have falsely stated to me.

You must be a shill for medical school.

As a medical resident, you do NOT make six figures. You only make $45K - $60K per year, depending on which program you're admitted into.

yes, like will be good after residency, but also not good when paying off your medical school student loans.

[Guhji]

I mean, I'm still a resident so my life is hardly comfortable yet. 70-80 hour weeks for 50k a year are the price I have to pay to become an attending, unfortunately. Soon I'll be done, and life will be much better.

LOL! Now you state that you're just a resident. So you're not making "$10,000 / month" as you have falsely stated to me.

You must be a shill for medical school.

As a medical resident, you do NOT make six figures. You only make $45K - $60K per year, depending on which program you're admitted into.

yes, like will be good after residency, but also not good when paying off your medical school student loans.

Dude, what is your problem? Did you try and fail to get into medical school yourself? House is a resident and he makes what residents make. In the future he will make several hundred K because that's what doctors make. Just about anywhere in the world that is a very handsome living. House has worked hard and made himself into a very successful guy. What is so confusing about this? smh.

[HouseMD]

I mean, I'm still a resident so my life is hardly comfortable yet. 70-80 hour weeks for 50k a year are the price I have to pay to become an attending, unfortunately. Soon I'll be done, and life will be much better.

LOL! Now you state that you're just a resident. So you're not making "$10,000 / month" as you have falsely stated to me.

You must be a shill for medical school.

As a medical resident, you do NOT make six figures. You only make $45K - $60K per year, depending on which program you're admitted into.

yes, like will be good after residency, but also not good when paying off your medical school student loans.

Quote where I ever said I was making $10,00 a month. I never did. I said people in my field do.