Is France really Asian guy friendly?

[Natural_Born_Cynic]

I have admiration for both cultures but definitely love and admire Italy much more. France was indeed a beacon of civilization until relatively recently but Italy was the birthplace of the Renaissance as well as the origin of all Romance culture ever since the expansion of Rome. Italy undoubtedly has a special place in the history of Europe.

When it comes to my own attitude towards French and Italian people, the French are more like a people who I admire for their superior sophistication but that admiration is always from a healthy distance while Italians are a people who I admire for the same reason and whose company I greatly enjoy too. I've met quite a few people from both of these nationalities, mostly from when I was enrolled in immersive language school in Spain. I'm not going to lie: the French students were strange, somewhat aloof and quite frankly a bit difficult to deal with. I didn't enjoy interacting with them despite their high level of culture. But the Italian students? They were all extremely friendly and sociable and welcomed others into their social circles and were a joy to be around. I prefer Italians over Frenchies by far.

It's not that French people are weirder than Italians. It's Italians who have a special gift for warming up quickly to any social situation.

They might be insecure, not know anybody, not even speak the foreign language they're learning (as in your case) but they feel that "Italianness" is a positive stereotype hard to die: they feel that, so long they play their hyper-extroverted, histrionic, friendly-to-all personas to a tee, everything will turn out fine. It's as if most European kids, even the Spaniardsa, the Portuguese, the Greek, would always play safe when in an unknown environment. Italians would play an exaggerated version of themselves.

Yeah Italians are nice and they are not afraid to warm up to strangers quickly. People say Northern Italians are cold, but I have met couple of them in my business trip to Milan in the past(before COVID). That's what I like about Italian people and they say "Don't worry, Don't worry" straight for 20 minutes. I found it endearing. The food is really really heavenly. What we have in America is "Dog Food" or "Prison Food" compared to real Italian food. I have seen Italians gag and ready to vomit when they try out toxic American microwaved food or Americanized bastardized Southern Italian food on Youtube. Italians are great people. I love most of them.

In contrast, I found the French are very aloof and tend to hang out in their own cliques. There were bunch of French exchange students in my High School. About a dozen of them. Not one of them said a single word or spoke any English at all for 45 mins in Physics Class.. Not a single smile, all frowns and they just talked French to each other. They were pretty boring. And I never liked the Haute Cuisine or whatever the French eats. It's too creamy and bland compared to Italian food. Yuck.

[publicduende]

Yeah Italians are nice and they are not afraid to warm up to strangers quickly. People say Northern Italians are cold, but I have met couple of them in my business trip to Milan in the past(before COVID). That's what I like about Italian people and they say "Don't worry, Don't worry" straight for 20 minutes. I found it endearing. The food is really really heavenly. What we have in America is "Dog Food" or "Prison Food" compared to real Italian food. I have seen Italians gag and ready to vomit when they try out toxic American microwaved food or Americanized bastardized Southern Italian food on Youtube. Italians are great people. I love most of them.

In contrast, I found the French are very aloof and tend to hang out in their own cliques. There were bunch of French exchange students in my High School. About a dozen of them. Not one of them said a single word or spoke any English at all for 45 mins in Physics Class.. Not a single smile, all frowns and they just talked French to each other. They were pretty boring. And I never liked the Haute Cuisine or whatever the French eats. It's too creamy and bland compared to Italian food. Yuck.

Well, what can I say, as an Italian I am flattered by your predilection of Italian people/culture. Milan is now a nice and well-organised global city. I was there before the pandemic and it was a pleasure to stroll along the many parks and green areas, dine al fresco in one of the many decent restaurants dotting historical streets and buildings. The massive problem about Milan is the cost of living. As an American on a business trip or, better still, as an expat on a US salary, there is probably nothing to worry about. If you're a family of four, even on a double income of a combined 4,000 EUR/month net, you would struggle making ends meet, I can promise you. Especially if you are renting, or are on a not-so-decent mortgage.

We Italians like to take things easy and be friendly and sociable. However, there's a limit to how much of a happy face we can put to the tests life throws at us. Having an engineering or law school degree and being unable to take home even 2,000 EUR/month, in a city where rent alone can be 1,500 EUR/month, can be daunting and plunge even the most jovial of us into sadness. Having a child with a chronical disease or special needs and finding social services incredibly lacking (despite the high taxation that should cover such public services) is another common cause of discontent.

French have a usually more efficient public safety net and, normally, they have less to complain about. However, their level of tolerance is way lower. They pioneered labour movements and protests in Europe, so they are used to getting to the street and strike and protest, even for weeks, to signal that something must change, immediate political action must be taken. Sometimes it goes their way, sometimes it doesn't.

One thing French tend not to have, compared to the us Italians, is the private safety net provided by our families. Even for adults who are married and live independently, it's very common to rely on parents for practical and even financial help. We don't have a solid kindergarden system like in France or the Scandinavian countries, so it's very common for the grandmothers to take care of their grandchildren before they start school, or from when they end classes (in Italy our classes are morning only) until their parents are back from work. When parents die in Italy, they will have usually saved enough money to give their sons and daughters a decent lump sum, more commonly a good piece or real estate they bought as investment.

Our (over)reliance on family is one of the reason why many of us can afford to "don't worry". Also thanks to the legendary French libertine sexual mores, most French families are broken beyond repair, which means lots of traumatised and ill-adjusted kids and loneliness when help is needed most.

[publicduende]

One of the best parodies of the typical French exchange student ever made.

[Natural_Born_Cynic]

Yeah Italians are nice and they are not afraid to warm up to strangers quickly. People say Northern Italians are cold, but I have met couple of them in my business trip to Milan in the past(before COVID). That's what I like about Italian people and they say "Don't worry, Don't worry" straight for 20 minutes. I found it endearing. The food is really really heavenly. What we have in America is "Dog Food" or "Prison Food" compared to real Italian food. I have seen Italians gag and ready to vomit when they try out toxic American microwaved food or Americanized bastardized Southern Italian food on Youtube. Italians are great people. I love most of them.

In contrast, I found the French are very aloof and tend to hang out in their own cliques. There were bunch of French exchange students in my High School. About a dozen of them. Not one of them said a single word or spoke any English at all for 45 mins in Physics Class.. Not a single smile, all frowns and they just talked French to each other. They were pretty boring. And I never liked the Haute Cuisine or whatever the French eats. It's too creamy and bland compared to Italian food. Yuck.

Well, what can I say, as an Italian I am flattered by your predilection of Italian people/culture. Milan is now a nice and well-organised global city. I was there before the pandemic and it was a pleasure to stroll along the many parks and green areas, dine al fresco in one of the many decent restaurants dotting historical streets and buildings. The massive problem about Milan is the cost of living. As an American on a business trip or, better still, as an expat on a US salary, there is probably nothing to worry about. If you're a family of four, even on a double income of a combined 4,000 EUR/month net, you would struggle making ends meet, I can promise you. Especially if you are renting, or are on a not-so-decent mortgage.

We Italians like to take things easy and be friendly and sociable. However, there's a limit to how much of a happy face we can put to the tests life throws at us. Having an engineering or law school degree and being unable to take home even 2,000 EUR/month, in a city where rent alone can be 1,500 EUR/month, can be daunting and plunge even the most jovial of us into sadness. Having a child with a chronical disease or special needs and finding social services incredibly lacking (despite the high taxation that should cover such public services) is another common cause of discontent.

French have a usually more efficient public safety net and, normally, they have less to complain about. However, their level of tolerance is way lower. They pioneered labour movements and protests in Europe, so they are used to getting to the street and strike and protest, even for weeks, to signal that something must change, immediate political action must be taken. Sometimes it goes their way, sometimes it doesn't.

One thing French tend not to have, compared to the us Italians, is the private safety net provided by our families. Even for adults who are married and live independently, it's very common to rely on parents for practical and even financial help. We don't have a solid kindergarden system like in France or the Scandinavian countries, so it's very common for the grandmothers to take care of their grandchildren before they start school, or from when they end classes (in Italy our classes are morning only) until their parents are back from work. When parents die in Italy, they will have usually saved enough money to give their sons and daughters a decent lump sum, more commonly a good piece or real estate they bought as investment.

Our (over)reliance on family is one of the reason why many of us can afford to "don't worry". Also thanks to the legendary French libertine sexual mores, most French families are broken beyond repair, which means lots of traumatised and ill-adjusted kids and loneliness when help is needed most.

I mean the Italians are great, but I know they are still humans after all and they must have many problems in their plate. Yes, I have read that it's very hard to find decent jobs in Italy and many people are unemployed and living with their parents. Pretty tragic because Italy got into the Eurozone and they couldn't devalue their currency (I think it was the "Lira") like before to compete with Germany and other countries. I feel really bad for the Italians and I admire their perseverance despite all the problems they have in their country such as Costa Nostra, messed up government, and chronic mass unemployment.

It was a several day business trip and my company paid for room, transportation, food, etc. I was there to visit our Italian partner's Freight Forwarding company, see their operations, and form a partnership because many artists ship their artwork for gallery exhibition and sometimes, Korean diplomats get stationed in Italy. I found that the people in the company were very welcoming. The food was fantastic and many levels above the "Dog food" I had back in the U.S.

I guess the France has more centralized government than Italy. They can levy more taxes to fund their welfare state. I know that Italy is more provisional such as North, Central, and Southern Italy. The North is industrious and wealthy, the Center is where the government is at and lot of tourists go to Rome to see the coliseum and the South is mostly rural and the poorest part of Italy with all the Costa Nostra there too. Correct me if I am wrong.

Despite stronger French Government, doing business with the French was real torture. Our company was trying to arrange a diplomatic shipment to Africa with CMA CGM(French Shipping line). It took us about a month and fifty emails to make such arrangement. Those French work like snails and their departments were disjointed and they didn't even share the same system. Italy got problems but man.. the French are the worst workers I have ever seen in my life. Sometimes I wonder how France stay afloat and is a first world economy despite being so slow and inefficient.

[Winston]

Thanks @publicduende. But my main question is: Wouldn't the French be a lot easier to connect with and vibe with than Americans? They seem more intellectual and down to earth, not rough and tough or toxic or mean spirited like they wanna kick your ass or something. Not fake or plastic or full of BS and delusion like Americans are right? Something about them seems more natural and aware and freethinking, when I see them on YouTube or TV. Am I right? If so, wouldn't guys like me fit into France better socially at least, if not romantically?

Also I heard French culture is the opposite of American culture, so if you don't fit into American culture, you will fit into French culture. Is that right?

[publicduende]

I mean the Italians are great, but I know they are still humans after all and they must have many problems in their plate. Yes, I have read that it's very hard to find decent jobs in Italy and many people are unemployed and living with their parents. Pretty tragic because Italy got into the Eurozone and they couldn't devalue their currency (I think it was the "Lira") like before to compete with Germany and other countries. I feel really bad for the Italians and I admire their perseverance despite all the problems they have in their country such as Costa Nostra, messed up government, and chronic mass unemployment.

It was a several day business trip and my company paid for room, transportation, food, etc. I was there to visit our Italian partner's Freight Forwarding company, see their operations, and form a partnership because many artists ship their artwork for gallery exhibition and sometimes, Korean diplomats get stationed in Italy. I found that the people in the company were very welcoming. The food was fantastic and many levels above the "Dog food" I had back in the U.S.

I guess the France has more centralized government than Italy. They can levy more taxes to fund their welfare state. I know that Italy is more provisional such as North, Central, and Southern Italy. The North is industrious and wealthy, the Center is where the government is at and lot of tourists go to Rome to see the coliseum and the South is mostly rural and the poorest part of Italy with all the Costa Nostra there too. Correct me if I am wrong.

Despite stronger French Government, doing business with the French was real torture. Our company was trying to arrange a diplomatic shipment to Africa with CMA CGM(French Shipping line). It took us about a month and fifty emails to make such arrangement. Those French work like snails and their departments were disjointed and they didn't even share the same system. Italy got problems but man.. the French are the worst workers I have ever seen in my life. Sometimes I wonder how France stay afloat and is a first world economy despite being so slow and inefficient.

All you said is correct: jobs, north vs south divide, national economy straightjackected by the Euro system (our manufacturing system used to be 95% as good as German, but 30% cheaper). The only thing to add, for the sake of justice, is that it's not true that Southern Italians (I am one of them, originally hailing from Apulia) are lazy, inefficient and uneducated. Before Italy's unification (ended in 1871) Naples was one of Europe's capitals of culture, arts, science and finance, on a par with Florence and far more than Rome or Milan. Since WW2, the south has produced more university graduates than the north. The problem has been, and still is, that the north has 80% of the manufacturing and service jobs, so that's where all the educated Southerners have to go, to get a decent shot at a career!

Italian companies can be inefficient and bureaucratic as well but, unlike the French, we have a penchant for using common sense to speed things up. For each 3 employees who are clueless, you will always find one who is competent and productive, and willing to pick up the slack from the other 3.

What France has, which is of an incomparable quality to the rest of Europe, is an elite class of executives. They were the first in Europe to notice, after the ancient Romans at least, that the best managers and executives are those who have been forged by military discpline. They were the ones who invented the modern concept of the "ingenieur" (engineer), an elite problem solver, extremely well versed in construction, mechanical (and later electrical) engineering, often also in advanced physics and maths. The top public and private institutions in France are almost exclusively staffed with these top-tier people. This creates a bit of a problem in the lower tier of education and profession, since their non-elite universities and schools are in far worse shape than the European average.

[publicduende]

Thanks @publicduende. But my main question is: Wouldn't the French be a lot easier to connect with and vibe with than Americans? They seem more intellectual and down to earth, not rough and tough or toxic or mean spirited like they wanna kick your ass or something. Not fake or plastic or full of BS and delusion like Americans are right? Something about them seems more natural and aware and freethinking, when I see them on YouTube or TV. Am I right? If so, wouldn't guys like me fit into France better socially at least, if not romantically?

Like I said, it depends whom you meet. If you take a melting pot metropolis like London, which includes anything between 300,000 and 500,000 French living in and around town, you will find the widest range of personalities. Some of the French young portfolio managers (traders) I met while working at BNP Paribas were some of the most obnoxious, arrogant people anyone could have the misfortune to meet, and I never even tried to be more than a distant colleague to them. N and C, two of my best friends from those times, were French and very nice and down to earth. I have already talked about N, the "good guy who never lies" and married to a Filipina from Davao. C was a bit more of a metropolitan French, a bit weird and introverted. I was lucky enough to have him as a colleague and then friend so, after a few years of knowing him, I found he would open up completely, still showing bits of his French weirdness. But again, N comes from a strongly-bonded rural family, C comes from the typical Parisian broken family, with an absentee yet totally strict father.

And then more French I met at my college music engineering labs, where I wrote my thesis and was on the verge of starting a PhD. Met several French postgrads studying or working there, 3 of them from rural France, lovely guys to have around.

And let's not forget all the French of North African and Middle Eastern descent, who tend to have a more traditional family upbringing. Again, the few I met from that background, lovely people, a lot less weird than the white Catholic Parisienne.

I even have a good French friend who lives in Manila. Algerian ancestry, very nice guy, well-adjusted to the quirkiness of Filipino culture, been working in the VC and startup scene for a while now.

From my personal experience I would say yes, most French have no problem blending with foreigners, including Asians (remember that they had colonies in Asia). The weirdness is mostly in the urban kids who grow up in broken families, in a competitive school system, without much emotional support other than their peers. Those are not hard to connect to Asians, they're hard to connect to anybody!

Also I heard French culture is the opposite of American culture, so if you don't fit into American culture, you will fit into French culture. Is that right?

Well, French is one of the core European cultures, one of the oldest and richest. It clashes often and hard even with Anglo-saxon and northern European cultures. In the end, @Winston, we live in a globalised world where anyone can pick up any trend, any lifestyle they want with total freedom and make any personality-shaping choice they want. The spectre of divorce and broken families exists in Europe as much as it does in the US, perhaps even more so in traditionally more liberitine France, and that is a big driver of weirdness in many French of our generation (or younger) we might meet in our path.

I personally would not move to Paris or Lille or Grenoble with the intention of being inebriated by deep, intense French culture. If you do that, not only in France but any world country, you are bound to be disappointed! Globalisation has already wrecked all the possible damage to our societies. I would rather try and meet individuals from different cultures and ways of life and cherry-pick those you feel "vibing" with you the most. Chances are some of them might be French, some Asians, some even from the US. The key is to try.

[Lucas88]

It's not that French people are weirder than Italians. It's Italians who have a special gift for warming up quickly to any social situation.

They might be insecure, not know anybody, not even speak the foreign language they're learning (as in your case) but they feel that "Italianness" is a positive stereotype hard to die: they feel that, so long they play their hyper-extroverted, histrionic, friendly-to-all personas to a tee, everything will turn out fine. It's as if most European kids, even the Spaniardsa, the Portuguese, the Greek, would always play safe when in an unknown environment. Italians would play an exaggerated version of themselves.

I found the French students to be considerably more aloof and more difficult than the students of other nationalities and my experiences with them match those reported by @Natural_Born_Cynic. Everybody at the school was in the same boat: all foreign students learning a language different to their own and sharing a space with outgroups consisting of various different nationalities. Almost all other groups were reasonably friendly and made an effort to integrate into the school's composite collective united by Spanish as a second language. That included the likes of Italians, Russians, Germans, Dutch, Swedes and other lesser-known nationalities. Even the handful of Americans were quite sociable (probably on their best behavior for their stay in Europe ). But the French students were mostly aloof, unsociable and cliquish and oozed snobbishness and a bit of a diva complex. They were definitely the most difficult-to-deal-with nationality at the school whereas I got along well with pretty much everyone else (except for the British). I was there for the whole summer and so I saw many groups of students come and go and got to observe many different nationalities.

Like I said before, the French have a very sophisticated culture and tend to be quite intellectual. Even their language feels inherently intellectual and well-suited to philosophy and topics of importance. But for me, I must admire their sophisticated culture and intellectual sensitivities only from afar; their diva complex, snobbishness and aloofness simply make them difficult to be around. I think of the French as some brilliant yet eccentric artist whose work is extremely admirable but whose eccentricities are just too off-putting and make some degree of distance necessary.

I'm sure that there are individual differences and even regional differences within the country. But my experience of the French has been as stated above.

As for the Italian students at the school, they were mostly super pleasant. Yes, they were hyper-extraverted, histrionic and friendly to all just as you describe. They made an effort to speak to everybody and invited others into their cliques and to nightclubs and daytime activities. And out of all of the different nationalities, the Italian students' language which they sometimes spoke among themselves (yet were willing to switch to Spanish in the presence of non-Italians so as not to exclude others) sounded by far the best!

Even though I respect French culture and prefer it to Anglo culture, I overwhelmingly prefer Italian culture to French culture.

As for my national team, I support Spain and indeed rooted for them passionately in the most recent World Cup (I even threw a wobbly and started screaming hysterically for about 5 minutes and then sent loads of delirious WhatsApp messages to my Spanish friends when Spain got eliminated from the tournament), but I always like to see Italy do well too due to my admiration for Italy as a nation and as the supremely beautiful birthplace of all Latin civilization.

Italy > France

[Natural_Born_Cynic]

I mean the Italians are great, but I know they are still humans after all and they must have many problems in their plate. Yes, I have read that it's very hard to find decent jobs in Italy and many people are unemployed and living with their parents. Pretty tragic because Italy got into the Eurozone and they couldn't devalue their currency (I think it was the "Lira") like before to compete with Germany and other countries. I feel really bad for the Italians and I admire their perseverance despite all the problems they have in their country such as Costa Nostra, messed up government, and chronic mass unemployment.

It was a several day business trip and my company paid for room, transportation, food, etc. I was there to visit our Italian partner's Freight Forwarding company, see their operations, and form a partnership because many artists ship their artwork for gallery exhibition and sometimes, Korean diplomats get stationed in Italy. I found that the people in the company were very welcoming. The food was fantastic and many levels above the "Dog food" I had back in the U.S.

I guess the France has more centralized government than Italy. They can levy more taxes to fund their welfare state. I know that Italy is more provisional such as North, Central, and Southern Italy. The North is industrious and wealthy, the Center is where the government is at and lot of tourists go to Rome to see the coliseum and the South is mostly rural and the poorest part of Italy with all the Costa Nostra there too. Correct me if I am wrong.

Despite stronger French Government, doing business with the French was real torture. Our company was trying to arrange a diplomatic shipment to Africa with CMA CGM(French Shipping line). It took us about a month and fifty emails to make such arrangement. Those French work like snails and their departments were disjointed and they didn't even share the same system. Italy got problems but man.. the French are the worst workers I have ever seen in my life. Sometimes I wonder how France stay afloat and is a first world economy despite being so slow and inefficient.

All you said is correct: jobs, north vs south divide, national economy straightjackected by the Euro system (our manufacturing system used to be 95% as good as German, but 30% cheaper). The only thing to add, for the sake of justice, is that it's not true that Southern Italians (I am one of them, originally hailing from Apulia) are lazy, inefficient and uneducated. Before Italy's unification (ended in 1871) Naples was one of Europe's capitals of culture, arts, science and finance, on a par with Florence and far more than Rome or Milan. Since WW2, the south has produced more university graduates than the north. The problem has been, and still is, that the north has 80% of the manufacturing and service jobs, so that's where all the educated Southerners have to go, to get a decent shot at a career!

Italian companies can be inefficient and bureaucratic as well but, unlike the French, we have a penchant for using common sense to speed things up. For each 3 employees who are clueless, you will always find one who is competent and productive, and willing to pick up the slack from the other 3.

What France has, which is of an incomparable quality to the rest of Europe, is an elite class of executives. They were the first in Europe to notice, after the ancient Romans at least, that the best managers and executives are those who have been forged by military discpline. They were the ones who invented the modern concept of the "ingenieur" (engineer), an elite problem solver, extremely well versed in construction, mechanical (and later electrical) engineering, often also in advanced physics and maths. The top public and private institutions in France are almost exclusively staffed with these top-tier people. This creates a bit of a problem in the lower tier of education and profession, since their non-elite universities and schools are in far worse shape than the European average.

It's such a shame. The Italians make quality stuff with cheaper price. But the Eurozone has handicapped Italian manufacturing and instead boosted Germany's manufacturing.

I know the French has "Grande E'cole"(Exclusive top tier university system) and I read many French executives, engineers, and politicians were created and groomed there. It is still considered a prestige to graduate from one of Grande Ecole schools. Still, my experience with working with the average French on the ground floor were absolute nightmare because the French were really slow and dumb at the same time. No body knew what the F*ck they were doing and on top of that, they were extremely slow like snails. I don't know how they managed to stay as first world economy and big welfare state while being extremely inefficient as possible. Unbelievable. The Italians and the Germans are bit better.

I didn't know Southern Italy produced more graduates than the north. That's a shame that well educated Southerners are migrating north to find jobs. I heard the South is suffering from Costa Nostra, Mafia problem. is that still true? I never been to the South, so I don't know. Only Milan for several days.

[Kalinago]

Dutch women like east asian men and southeast asian men.

[Natural_Born_Cynic]

Dutch women like east asian men and southeast asian men.

For real? Nice! I like them Dutch women too such as Doutzen Kroes and Famke Janssen.
I find Dutch people fascinating. Rather a breathe of fresh air than fat plastic Americ*nts or anorexic plastic faced Korean-b*tch.

[Lucas88]

Famke Janssen.

You mean Ava Moore?

The nature of actress Famke Janssen's role in Nip Tuck is pretty damn funny if you really think about it. She's a woman pretending to be a man who is in turn pretending to be a woman!

[Natural_Born_Cynic]

Famke Janssen.

You mean Ava Moore?

The nature of actress Famke Janssen's role in Nip Tuck is pretty damn funny if you really think about it. She's a woman pretending to be a man who is in turn pretending to be a woman!

I see, that's interesting..

[Kalinago]

Dutch women like east asian men and southeast asian men.

For real? Nice! I like them Dutch women too such as Doutzen Kroes and Famke Janssen.
I find Dutch people fascinating. Rather a breathe of fresh air than fat plastic Americ*nts or anorexic plastic faced Korean-b*tch.

We have a roughly 1 million strong Indonesian population here of Moluccan hapas and Javanese Surinamers,the men date out just as much as the females with the dutch.

I've seen asian indonesian men with hot dutch girls.

My Kashmiri ex in amstelveen actually prefered Indonesian and korean men when we were together,though now she's become a Mudshark .

[Natural_Born_Cynic]

Dutch women like east asian men and southeast asian men.

For real? Nice! I like them Dutch women too such as Doutzen Kroes and Famke Janssen.
I find Dutch people fascinating. Rather a breathe of fresh air than fat plastic Americ*nts or anorexic plastic faced Korean-b*tch.

We have a roughly 1 million strong Indonesian population here of Moluccan hapas and Javanese Surinamers,the men date out just as much as the females with the dutch.

I've seen asian indonesian men with hot dutch girls.

My Kashmiri ex in amstelveen actually prefered Indonesian and korean men when we were together,though now she's become a Mudshark .

Hmm interesting, I'll definitely put Netherlands on my travel list. I am surprised to learn Dutch people are cool with Asians. Thanks.