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[Teathered feather]

After careful review of multiple threads on that forum I have found out several things the author of this thread forgot to mention.

Some are pro-game. Others just do not care. Some hate women. Some just ignore them and carry on like any other joe. Most of them bring up quite surprising topics that I have yet to be introduced to. Including several news articles about women getting the better end of the judicial stick on extreme degrees.

Closet homos? Who cares. They surely don't. Why? Because they do not judge. They have multiple ideas of how to pursue the complex topic that is women with multiple interpretations.

I cannot understand why the author and others bagging on these guys and having such a big shitfit about it.

Maybe they need to calm down and try not just to browse hot-words and skim and instead read the articles with less of a narrow mind than to blindly hate them for choosing their own path as have you.

[I Am Jack's MGHOW]

As a MGHOW and a member of the site in question, I have to say that most, if not all, of the replies on this thread are laughable at best particularly those from Grunt. The claim that mgtowforums.com is "pro game" is neither right nor wrong, mgtow is about, as Barbarossa so eloquently put it on youtube, male sovereignty. That means taking control of your life and living it how you see fit and, yes, this may mean becoming a PUA and using "game" to your advantage. The simple truth of the matter is that most MGTOW and particularly those on that site are anti-PUA because, despite the intent to become someone that can enjoy the affections of a woman when they'd like, game is viewed as little more than jumping through the hoops set up my women. Anyone that's saying that the site is pro game clearly hasn't done their homework.

On to Grunt's claims, at the risk of contradicting myself and making a presumptuous accusation as you have, one tell tale sign of closet homosexuality is baseless accusations of another of the same thing. What proof have you that MGTOW are closeted homosexuals, have you ever went on to read the stories on that forum and read anything with a homosexual undertone? I haven't, I respect all manner of lifestyle choices that are legal and not harmful to others but, if I had an inkling that the site was homosexual in nature, I wouldn't have stepped foot over there. As to the claim of MGTOW are introverts that are living in their mother's basements, the nature of the male gender is introverted. This is why men compete and struggle the way they do because we are taught that we are separate from the world despite human beings as a species being a social animal. A man is brought up to find solutions to problems he is faced with, the operative word is faced with, due to this separation of himself and the world around him. Women aren't raised this way which is why everything is how they feel about something. Men are taught to observe and then act upon something which you would see in athletic competition, how many truly feminine female athletes have you ever met? Very few because they have to shed a lot of their femininity to truly play a sport anywhere near a man can mentally. As to living in their parents' basement, most MGTOW are men that work and/or studying and, if a man is living in his parents' basement, it's likely because of the after effects of dealing with a woman like being taken in divorce proceeds since a lot of the MGTOW base are men that have woken up after being fleeced in divorce court and seeing the true nature of women and how misandric the laws of western society of have become.

I have to wonder, Grunt, what is your reasoning behind attacking MGTOW? I mean, what has any of us done to you? We're simply trying to live out our lives the way we want and, sometimes, men go to that forum, which is a safe haven for them, to vent their frustrations so why bother us? Seeing as the deck is stacked against all men that aren't in the elite, why not band together instead of tearing each other apart? At the very least, you can agree to disagree as many of us do over at mgtowforums.com.

[BeijaFlor]

I followed a link to this thread from MGTOW Forums, the same link as 'I Am Jack's MGHOW' followed. You see, I have been a member of MGTOW Forums for months, but I've been studying a move offshore since August 2000 - during an official TDY assignment to Uruguay that opened my eyes to the possibility of retiring to somewhere like Piriapolis. And I've been "going my own way" for decades before I found that label for it.

Gentlemen, I am disappointed in those of you who have bad-mouthed MGTOW without even the appearance a cursory examination.

Didn't you notice that, by moving abroad or even planning it, you are yourselves going your own way?

Or that searching for a foreign bride rather than an American "entitlement princess" is going your own way?

Even taking an off-the-beaten-track vacation, to a land where you can have happy endings, is itself going your own way.

Do you slam us as a group because some of us (admittedly quite a few of us) express our distrust and contempt for feminism and feminists? Many of us have been given ample cause for this distrust, this contempt. We've been harrassed in the workplace, in the schools, in the colleges, just for being male. We've been passed over for promotion, or even gotten dismissed from our jobs, because some Human Resources femifascist reinterpreted our legitimate complaint as a "chauvinist attack" on an incompetent, but female, co-worker. We've been accused falsely of sexual assault. We've been accused of "domestic violence" for raising our voice, while the "little woman" could wale away on us with everything she could grab and there was no blame for her. We've been raped in divorce court, we've been falsely accused of abusing our children, we've been turned out of our own house and forced to pay off the mortgage while we slept in our cars. Might there be some justice in our distrust? In our disdain?

A few of you seem to think otherwise, and I don't see the basis for YOUR contempt against us.

I came visiting because I thought I might be able to learn from you. But if your opinions are so lightly formed on such flimsy evidence as this, and so strongly declared and contemptuously delivered as those, I wouldn't be able to trust anything else you might have to say.[/i]

[Ghost]

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[Grunt]

Oh good God its a mgtow whine-fest. The one thing the mens rights movement already has too much of.

[Teathered feather]

Oh good God its a mgtow whine-fest. The one thing the mens rights movement already has too much of.

Scuze me bub. Can you argue with them without using shaming tactics? Otherwise the only one whining here is you. All you have done is bicker about them and the only replies I have seen from them were based on their own report of how its run.

How about you bring something a bit bigger to the table else you are the only one losing this debate.

[Grunt]

Oh good God its a mgtow whine-fest. The one thing the mens rights movement already has too much of.

Scuze me bub. Can you argue with them without using shaming tactics? Otherwise the only one whining here is you. All you have done is bicker about them and the only replies I have seen from them were based on their own report of how its run.

How about you bring something a bit bigger to the table else you are the only one losing this debate.

I agree with you. I am constantly on the mgtow forums bashing you and generally sticking my nose in your business. Please continue showing us how good you are at "going your own way" by coming here. Do you all gather up in a pack like this when you go to the bathroom too?

You clowns are like the little sister I never had...or wanted.

[I Am Jack's MGHOW]

Oh good God its a mgtow whine-fest. The one thing the mens rights movement already has too much of.

I take back my olive branch.

I know what you are, you're what's called in some circles an agent provocateur, whether you're one of the lackeys of the feminist dogs or a feminist yourself but you're just trying to sow discord between men. Just in case you're wondering, I'm, and I'm taking a page out of your playbook by making an accusation without doing my homework, openly accusing you of being one of "them." It's the only logical explanation after seeing you in action, you make baseless accusations and you repay our attempts to reconcile our differences with more venom like someone with feminine thinking would.

On the off chance that you truly are a man, you are a simple fool because it's only a matter of time before the worst happens. When women, even the foreign women who will be infected with feminism eventually, turn on you and they will turn on you the only thing that will save you is yourself. That's true even for us already going our own way, you'd just better hope that there is someone there to lend you some advice or, at least, a sympathetic ear.

Also, since MGTOW is so detrimental to the MRM, what you really need to be on the look out for is it being highjacked and subverted by the feminists under the veil of wanting to help. It's already started by the increased number of women we've seen on MRM sites, my only advice is this, remember male sovereignty. I'm not against women trying the help for the betterment of society but, if you can't let them help without losing yourselves, then keep them at arm's length.

But, as for you, Grunt, you leave us alone and we'll leave you alone, this conversation is over.

[NorthAmericanguy]

I post there. There are different "camps" so to speak, primarily I would say in that some use MGTOW as a tactic and some as a solution. For those who think of it as a solution, the answer is to do whatever and avoid women at all costs. For those who see it as a tactic, they may desire a traditional society with marriage 1.0.

I consider MGTOW a tactic for here in the West, and am a traditionalist.

That said, I think there's no need to fan antagonistic flames. As long as men can trust each other, they can be friends and allies. To each his own, of course. If a man wants nothing to do with women, then so be it and more power to him. If he does, quite the same. We've got more in common here than separate. One good example, guys in the "man-o-sphere," whether MGTOW, love-shy, incel, CoAlpha, or Happier Abroaders/expats, are against feminism and misandry.

We've all got enough in common that we can be allies. As long as it doesn't devolve into one camp bashing another camp and so on, and trying to see their view as the Only Way(TM) for every man, then we're good.

I agree 100% per bold. And I would also add that we men need to stick together even if we don't agree with everything because at the end of the day women and government are against us at this point in time.

Send my regards to Nacho and Paul.

[navigator]

Personally, I'd rather have one Ladislav than 10,000 MGTOW faggots on this forum. They can whine all they want on their forum. Ten years later, they'll be doing the same thing. It's like a broken record.

[Grunt]

Personally, I'd rather have one Ladislav than 10,000 MGTOW faggots on this forum. They can whine all they want on their forum. Ten years later, they'll be doing the same thing. It's like a broken record.

This newfag speaks truth.

[Grunt]

Yes, I am a militant feminists agent provocateur lesbian transgender hermaphrodite. But how does that make you mgtow guys any less douchebaggy?

I would ask where the mgtow crowd acquired their vast and comprehensive data compilations on foreign girls, but it may be safe to assume it was certainly not gotten first-hand. Lets see, who else tends to pull anecdotal statistics out of their collective ass? Oh yeah, the feminists! Fake rape statistics anyone?

In all seriousness, one of things I hate about feminists is their profound arrogance. Their unwarranted sense of superiority. In fact, over time, I have grown to hate all those with superiority complexes. Cops, politicians, freemasons, government employees, etc. Mostly because I understand that the root of all human misery comes from one group, be it spiritual, political, racial, or gender, proclaiming that they are the pinnacle of evolution, and that their way is the *only* way. And everyone else is, by default of course, a lesser being.

The men-going-to-the-basement types are most certainly entitled to your opinions, perspectives, and actions, but try not to cram your philosophy down everyone elses throat. We already have the feminists to do that job.

I found some inane babble in the above post, but putting aside my suspicions of blatant attention-whoring, I will address some of the more feeble-minded stuff now. That, and I am really bored.

"you make baseless accusations and you repay our attempts to reconcile our differences with more venom like someone with feminine thinking would. "

Observations, not accusations,. based on actual life experiences. That is actual events, not a hypothesis garnered while sitting in the basement. And no one here hates you, drama queen. We are merely critiquing your flawed concussions. None here advocate stripping you of your rights. You do offer some pretty amusing comic relief. Just like the feminists

"When women, even the foreign women who will be infected with feminism eventually, turn on you and they will turn on you the only thing that will save you is yourself."

Really? You guys sounds like you have extensive experience in dealing with women, both foreign and domestic. I have been from New York to California, Montreal to Calgary, South America, the Middle East, and Eastern Europe. Not strictly as a tourist, mind you, but having lived overseas for years at a time. Please gather your little basement-dwelling sewing circle so that we can compare notes. You guys clearly have me beat. Just like the feminists think they have me beat.

Also keep in mind I advise men to avoid bringing women into America for the specific reason of avoiding feminist contamination. But I suppose only dipshits and losers would want to be in an environment where half a dozen intelligent and attractive ladies compete for your affection. I certainly enjoyed the experience, and I married the best of them. But who needs that when you have a perfectly nice BASEMENT?!

"Also, since MGTOW is so detrimental to the MRM"

You men-going-to-the-basement nitwits are not "detrimental" in any way. Quite the contrary, in fact, as you are a healthy outlet for men in the "anger phase" of their awakening. We all go through stages in our development. Experience, introspection, research, anger, sharing with others, and hopefully triumph. Getting stuck in any of the early phases tends to be counter-productive. Getting stuck in the basement should not be considered triumph. Except by the feminists.

But seen from my angle, I can say there are those that would consider it a benefit if men stayed in the "anger" phase. These individuals would very much like to isolate those men that have identified problems with "the matrix". Men engaging in a self-imposed prison sentence, as it were. For these types of social parasites, the worst possible outcome would be a man that recognizes the problem, overcomes the problem, and has the audacity to introduce a solution to the problem for all other men to see...and emulate.

Case in point, you should see the looks on the faces of bloated, vile, ignorant American skanks when I strut around with my hot young foreign wife. Since the decline in the economy, I have seen American females, in my age group of course, visibly recoil in shock and terror when they see my wife and hear her sexy foreign accent. And I can also see the gears turning in the minds of the men around me. I can almost hear them saying to themselves "If this idiot can get a hot young foreign girl, maybe I can too!". And that, my friends, is the Nuclear Option.

So there is one group in America that wants to minimize the effect a liberated man has on the rest of society. One group that wants to limit self-realized men to a life locked in mommys basement. There is one group that will go to great, spectacular lengths to dissuade men from getting on a plane and going overseas and meeting hot young foreign girls. This group may even create an internet forum where they severely discount the concept of men going overseas to experience real women, thus shattering the cultural paradigm.

Now what group do we know of that wants to keep self-realized men locked in their basement prison? Hmm. Now who could that group possibly be? What gender-politics group could possibly want that? I wonder who? I really, really do.

[SD]

Why is anyone even bothering to debate Grunt?, his mind is made up the same way a White Supremacist's mind is made up, in essence he's a bigot and nothing anyone says will change his point of view.

I recall when Winston Wu registered and visited the Happy Bachelor's forum and he was never treated with disrespect or derision, he promoted Happier Abroad as a place all men could visit and that our viewpoints were welcome.

The choices men make in the conduct of their personal lives are are their own choices and their own responsibility, going your own way means deciding what's best for yourself, irrespective of the opinions of others.
And no, MGTOWs aren't all celibate, basement dwelling monks, we are not closet homos, we are not momma's boys, PUAs or anything else. We are men, we are human beings and we make choices for ourselves instead of having them made for us.

In general we have never as far as I've seen put down anyone choosing to expat to to choose to pursue the "foreign option", we've never made fun of those who choose to have short term relationship or even LTRs with women. What we have done is to say there are alternatives to marriage 1.0 and there are other choices in life other then the ones the feminazis and manginas present, utter and complete servitude to the wishes of a matriarchal and increasingly misandrist system.

People like Grunt need to feel superior to others in his choice of lifestyle and so feel the need to denigrate and destroy any other viewpoint which even remotely contradicts his ideals.
The world to such bigots is never large enough for anyone else's thoughts but theirs and so anything different is a threat to be attacked and eradicated as soon as it appears.
People like Grunt are detrimental to MRM because they see only one mode of existence, how they live and what they believe in are the only ways to live and think and it comes across clearly in the intolerant attitude of his posts.
This constant use of anti homosexual slurs, innuendo and attacks reflects this ingrained bigotry and hatred, all of this plays out as an unreasoning fear of that which he doesn't understand but can only generalize and setup as a strawman to attack.

MGTOWs have maintained that there are many choices for men and no one choice is perfect and the only solution, where as people like Grunt would like the keep the world as binary as possible, their way or no way at all.

It's a shame that such men call themselves advocates of the MRM community while maintaining their mantle of superiority and their arrogance in deciding that men do not have a choice in the lives they choose to lead.
I suspect Grunt to have other motives in these attacks and sockpuppertry is a time tested method used by feminist supporters on any male oriented forums to sow strife and dissent.

As I've said, Winston Wu was a lot more broad minded about things when he invited a dialog with the MGTOW community and that is to be respected. Hopefully he will see the damage being wrought by such people who do nothing but sow strife among men in the MRM community.

[Grunt]

You men-going-to-the-basement types are wrong on so many levels I could spend a week critiquing. Again...just like feminists.

I think the best representation of these clowns is they come here to THIS forum and tell ME that I am invading their space. Sounds like some feminist gaslighting bullshit, right?

Perhaps the fatal flaw in the men-going-to-the-basement whine-fest is their inability to grasp that of ALL the MRM sites out there, theirs is the only one I found fault with. Obviously, the problem is with everyone that isn't in the men-going-to-the-basement gaggle. I swear to God these idiots bring up the same exact responses I get when I read feminist blather.

Please just crawl back into your basements and leave the rest of us alone.

Why is anyone even bothering to debate Grunt?, his mind is made up the same way a White Supremacist's mind is made up, in essence he's a bigot and nothing anyone says will change his point of view.

I recall when Winston Wu registered and visited the Happy Bachelor's forum and he was never treated with disrespect or derision, he promoted Happier Abroad as a place all men could visit and that our viewpoints were welcome.

The choices men make in the conduct of their personal lives are are their own choices and their own responsibility, going your own way means deciding what's best for yourself, irrespective of the opinions of others.
And no, MGTOWs aren't all celibate, basement dwelling monks, we are not closet homos, we are not momma's boys, PUAs or anything else. We are men, we are human beings and we make choices for ourselves instead of having them made for us.

In general we have never as far as I've seen put down anyone choosing to expat to to choose to pursue the "foreign option", we've never made fun of those who choose to have short term relationship or even LTRs with women. What we have done is to say there are alternatives to marriage 1.0 and there are other choices in life other then the ones the feminazis and manginas present, utter and complete servitude to the wishes of a matriarchal and increasingly misandrist system.

People like Grunt need to feel superior to others in his choice of lifestyle and so feel the need to denigrate and destroy any other viewpoint which even remotely contradicts his ideals.
The world to such bigots is never large enough for anyone else's thoughts but theirs and so anything different is a threat to be attacked and eradicated as soon as it appears.
People like Grunt are detrimental to MRM because they see only one mode of existence, how they live and what they believe in are the only ways to live and think and it comes across clearly in the intolerant attitude of his posts.
This constant use of anti homosexual slurs, innuendo and attacks reflects this ingrained bigotry and hatred, all of this plays out as an unreasoning fear of that which he doesn't understand but can only generalize and setup as a strawman to attack.

MGTOWs have maintained that there are many choices for men and no one choice is perfect and the only solution, where as people like Grunt would like the keep the world as binary as possible, their way or no way at all.

It's a shame that such men call themselves advocates of the MRM community while maintaining their mantle of superiority and their arrogance in deciding that men do not have a choice in the lives they choose to lead.
I suspect Grunt to have other motives in these attacks and sockpuppertry is a time tested method used by feminist supporters on any male oriented forums to sow strife and dissent.

As I've said, Winston Wu was a lot more broad minded about things when he invited a dialog with the MGTOW community and that is to be respected. Hopefully he will see the damage being wrought by such people who do nothing but sow strife among men in the MRM community.

[Grunt]

Some responses to your post, Billy.

If you do not loudly proclaim that every single female on the planet is a blood sucking harpy that needs to be exterminated, you are not welcome with the men-going-to-the-basement tards. Where else do we see that sort of deranged one-dimensional thinking? That's right, with the feminists.

The anger phase is absolutely required for the emotional development of awakened American men. It helps drive us forward to full understanding and eventual liberation. We are then free to liberate other men. yet staying in anger and hatred mode means we do not develop to the point we are capable of reaching out to our fellow men. Who else has such vitriolic and one-sided hatred for the opposite sex? Why, the feminists of course!

If even a small percentage of the men-going-to-the-basement types even SPOKE about travel overseas, I would have a little respect for them. I find it grossly offensive when people that have never ventured out of mommys basement feel they are qualified to make blanket statements about cultures they have never seen. Who else shows such monumental bigotry and ignorance? Why, the feminists of course!

My preference is for the conventional nuclear family. Father as head of household, and wife as invaluable support. If any man does not choose this perspective, no problem! I would like it if America would pick itself up and regain its strength, but that is my personal perspective.

It is emotionally unhealthy to stay in an environment where you are habitually unhappy. One of the great things about travel overseas is, you get to step outside the prison gates. You get to see a more "normal" world. My first trip to South America back in the 1990's helped me understand that men and women do not need to be at war with each other. We can compliment each other, too. It was so nice to be around men and women and see them interacting with each other in caring and normal fashion. It helped me see that the diseased American gynogratic hegemony was completely dysfunctional. The men-going-to-the-basement nitwits have never SEEN the real world, yet they claim to have all the answers. Who else wears blinders yet claims to see all? Right, the feminists!

I am so glad you brought up the concept of humor. Have you ever seen a bigger pack of sour-puss defeatists in your life? Incredibly negative, to the point of crushing ANY glimmer of hope or proactive mindset. Utterly comfortable with the status quo, and unleashing estrogen-soaked rants on anyone that dares to think outside the box. So, who else struggles so hard to maintain the system exactly the way it is, and attacks anyone that steps out of line? The feminists!

Grunt here comes the NewFag
Grunt you made my day.
I was on the MGTOW Forum. But only to introduce myself. I think then I was blocked. It´s exactly
how you describe. Maybe I didn´t whine to much in my introduction or maybe they didn´t like
that I always went my own way. So I am not full of anger against woman.

It´s really unhealthy to have anger all the time. It´s better to be rational and solve the problem.
But these guys are stuck in their anger phase. And nobody knows when they will come to solve
the problem. These guys are maybe more the problem then the solution.

And I have the feeling that these guys are closed folk. I have the feeling that they are 99% whites of
NA who can not understand other opinions for example from people of other background. Never did
I see the cultural comparisons of different countries. For them to go to another country is not
imaginable. Why because their narrow minded.

I have no problem with people who are stuck in the anger phase. But many people have seen the light
far before them. And the tratiditonal concept of family must not be the only one. This concept was
maybe a illusion. We have choices but we have also competition between males for the most good
looking girl. So we are not always allies. To think this way you betray only yourself.

And finally don´t blame the player blame the game. And afterwords change the game. For example go
to a f***ing other country and don´t be a chicken. Billions of people did it. You can do it too. And NA and
the whites in NA are maybe 3 per cent of the population. Don´t act as this was the universe.

I hear feminsts here feminists there. I don´t who gave them the power. Yes maybe we man gave them the
power on the other hand why we should have done that? Maybe there profits for man in this game.
Maybe the west wanted to beat other countries with their economy with the help of the woman.
Man specially western man were so nationalistic and so greedy to beat other nations in the Powergame that
they "forced" the woman to work like men.

So you can´t have cake and eat it. That´s maybe the dilemma. As with WW1 and WW2 western man risked
everything for power.

Yes of course their other possible explanations like Jew, or the rich bla bla. I know. Could all be true.....
Anyway whining is not the solution its really boring........I have the feeling that this guys are so
dependent on woman that I think they do not go their own way but hope that Mami will be afraid that
they go their own way and come and love them again. MAMIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

MGTOW no offence. You all should be more relaxed. Where is your humor?? Now here are guys who
can handle the truth. Learn from them. Look at Winston. You can do the same, where is the problem?
Oh maybe you don´t like brown girls? Is it that?

I think when woman become emancipated is not wrong per se but the thing is how they do it.
That´s same problem with Manist. Not every way is a good way.

But who I am to judge......