Seduction Culture, Flirting with and Approaching Women is Not Traditional!

[ArchibaultNew]

Outcast, here I disagree with you.

However, now I see why we disagree. I don't understand why you feel the need to "control" other people especially men. Even Religious people don't do this. I was talking with some religious Christians who said they didn't care what the "Secular World" did. They cared about their own communities. If you are overly caring about the country at large it gives you an "authoritarian bend." Not sure if this was your intention, however, I do want to point it out.

Why don't you move to a more traditional society? I was listening to a discussion about a guy who moved to China, found a wife and now lives a traditional lifestyle. It seems the easiest choice for someone like you.

[Outcast9428]

Outcast, here I disagree with you.

However, now I see why we disagree. I don't understand why you feel the need to "control" other people especially men. Even Religious people don't do this. I was talking with some religious Christians who said they didn't care what the "Secular World" did. They cared about their own communities. If you are overly caring about the country at large it gives you an "authoritarian bend." Not sure if this was your intention, however, I do want to point it out.

Why don't you move to a more traditional society? I was listening to a discussion about a guy who moved to China, found a wife and now lives a traditional lifestyle. It seems the easiest choice for someone like you.

There are two reasons…

One, my experiences with liberalism and what being in a liberal environment is like have convinced me that liberalism is the mask of evil itself. It presents itself in a very subtle way though. It promises freedom and fun but what it really delivers is emptiness and misery. If too many people support a liberal point of view, our world will become an unlivable dystopia.

Secondly, I was liberal one time believe it or not, and traditionalism has brought me more joy then I could have ever imagined when I was a liberal. Understanding what true conservatism/traditionalism feels like… It’s like unlocking the secret to the universe itself. Unlike many who discover such a secret, I am not trying to keep it to myself. The most wonderful thing about traditionalism is that it’s not a secret that needs to be kept secret. Traditionalists benefit from more people knowing. As long as somebody doesn’t mess with our girl or our kids we are happy so the best thing for us, is to help everybody else find a girl too.

The people you mentioned are the majority of people on the right. And these people are the reason why we have been losing for decades. Many people don’t even know of the alternative that the traditional lifestyle provides to the modern liberal lifestyle.

[ArchibaultNew]

Why don't you move to a more traditional society? I was listening to a discussion about a guy who moved to China, found a wife and now lives a traditional lifestyle. It seems the easiest choice for someone like you.

It's kind of hard to live a truly traditional lifestyle in a communist dictatorship that prevents you, among other things, from having a large family. If a man wants to go abroad in order to be traditional, that makes perfect sense, but China's an odd choice for that particular lifestyle.

I was listening to a podcast and this guy said that he moved around the world. He felt that Mexican Culture and Chinese culture were similar because of their approach to families. It depends on what you define as traditional, if you mean a stable wife and a child. Then Chinese culture offered that to this blogger. Hence, how it can offer it to Outcast as well.

[Outcast9428]

@ArchibaultNew and @MarcosZeitola

I kind of don’t feel any desire to move anymore. Things are going so well here. My thoughts of leaving the US mostly stemmed from college and how much I hated living there. My hometown on the other hand, it’s so different from my college. I like it here. And I’ve got a wonderful girlfriend who lives right next door to me. For me, paradise is wherever I can be with her and not have the rest of the world try to interfere with our relationship (cough, unlike, cough, Florida).

Even if I had been with my ex, living in Florida would have felt like a nightmare. But Virginia isn’t like that. People smile at my girlfriend and I when we are out in public and if they talk to us it’s all very friendly. It’s not like Florida people who looked at my ex with hunger in their eyes like all they wanted was a piece of her to themselves.

[Outcast9428]

@ArchibaultNew and @MarcosZeitola

I kind of don’t feel any desire to move anymore. Things are going so well here. My thoughts of leaving the US mostly stemmed from college and how much I hated living there. My hometown on the other hand, it’s so different from my college. I like it here. And I’ve got a wonderful girlfriend who lives right next door to me. For me, paradise is wherever I can be with her and not have the rest of the world try to interfere with our relationship (cough, unlike, cough, Florida).

Even if I had been with my ex, living in Florida would have felt like a nightmare. But Virginia isn’t like that. People smile at my girlfriend and I when we are out in public and if they talk to us it’s all very friendly. It’s not like Florida people who looked at my ex with hunger in their eyes like all they wanted was a piece of her to themselves.

I'm glad to hear you've been doing so well. Sometimes happiness can be found in places one wouldn't expect. Honestly, Europe isn't so bad either if I'm entirely real about it. It can be quite fun, in fact, wages are a lot better than some other countries I could have gone to. Home is ultimately where the heart is and "Happier Abroad" is a nice mantra but it's not a magic pill that solves all of lives ills.

It's kind of remarkable how you've found what you're looking for literally right around the corner with "the girl next door". Can't make this shit up, brother.

Thanks, I really am convinced it is divine providence. It’s so incredibly coincidental. Not to mention just the way we met feels so turbo 1950s like with our parents setting us up it seems like it’s got to be destiny.

I actually think Happier Abroad is a magic pill as long as you truly commit to it. I don’t think the philosophy of this website is that “you have to move out of your country to a new one.” That might be the most popular interpretation but I think the real philosophy is “different regions and places in the world have different rules and codes of behavior. Find the system that fits you best and you will be happy. Stick to a system that has made you miserable and you cannot expect things to ever change.”

And I completely agree with that… The difference for me is simply that the rules of my college didn’t work for me. The rules of Florida didn’t work for me either. The rules of Virginia do though. I am definitely more conservative then most people here but the culture overall is friendly towards conservative values so being more hardline then average conservatives are doesn’t ruin your social life.

Where people run into problems here is where they don’t adjust their behavior for the culture they wish to enter or adjust their mindset. If somebody insists on playing by the rules of the place they intended to leave then they won’t get anywhere in their new culture. Being blackpilled is also a problem. Just assuming that everywhere is shit, and there are no different rules anywhere.

I believe I have proven the HA concept to be correct even though I only moved back to my hometown… Changing my location changed my life for the better. In my hometown I can thrive and find what I’m looking for which I couldn’t find at my old college and couldn’t really find in Florida either. In this case it’s like a reverse HA experience… Experiencing other cultures and rules and realizing they really don’t work for me and the old rules I lived by in high school, I am far more comfortable with.

[Outcast9428]

Thanks, I really am convinced it is divine providence. It’s so incredibly coincidental. Not to mention just the way we met feels so turbo 1950s like with our parents setting us up it seems like it’s got to be destiny.

I actually think Happier Abroad is a magic pill as long as you truly commit to it. I don’t think the philosophy of this website is that “you have to move out of your country to a new one.” That might be the most popular interpretation but I think the real philosophy is “different regions and places in the world have different rules and codes of behavior. Find the system that fits you best and you will be happy. Stick to a system that has made you miserable and you cannot expect things to ever change.”

And I completely agree with that… The difference for me is simply that the rules of my college didn’t work for me. The rules of Florida didn’t work for me either. The rules of Virginia do though. I am definitely more conservative then most people here but the culture overall is friendly towards conservative values so being more hardline then average conservatives are doesn’t ruin your social life.

Where people run into problems here is where they don’t adjust their behavior for the culture they wish to enter or adjust their mindset. If somebody insists on playing by the rules of the place they intended to leave then they won’t get anywhere in their new culture. Being blackpilled is also a problem. Just assuming that everywhere is shit, and there are no different rules anywhere.

I believe I have proven the HA concept to be correct even though I only moved back to my hometown… Changing my location changed my life for the better. In my hometown I can thrive and find what I’m looking for which I couldn’t find at my old college and couldn’t really find in Florida either. In this case it’s like a reverse HA experience… Experiencing other cultures and rules and realizing they really don’t work for me and the old rules I lived by in high school, I am far more comfortable with.

It really isn't a zero-sum game, shouldn't always have to be all or nothing. The philosophy of being Happier Abroad is a marvelous one, but it is not bullet proof. For instance very negatively minded or defeatist individuals will always run into the same obstacles wherever they go... as the old saying goes: "Wherever you go, there you are."

So it takes a bit of an upbeat persona, a genuine desire to make something of yourself. And the ability to get off one's ass and work towards real and tangible goals. If you have that, you're likely to make it anywhere, not just abroad. But going to a different place can be hugely beneficial to many men. As for you, you have the right attitude and the right views. I do genuinely hope your girlfriend shares your views, the most important core ones, and will be malleable enough and open to suggestion in other areas. Above all, I hope the two of you will be able to build the type of traditional life you always dreamed of, and raise a large family together; that is the only way to ensure at least some people in the next generation won't be total shitheads.

There's quite a bit of negativity around these parts, a lot of depressive incel rants and people who literally insist that the West is one big feminist concentration camp without a single saving grace or a single area that may be a possible exception... so amidst all that misery and self-pity, I adore your little story of success. Maybe you can make a seperate thread some time about it. It could inspire some of the moaners, give a little hope to the hopeless. We all need a bit more of that, my friend.

Well what gets me is that most of these people literally live in some of the worst areas I can possibly imagine in the West and then say everywhere is like that. Mercer lives in San Francisco and Mew6ix lives in Toronto. I mean, you guys are living in the two, most infamously leftist cities in basically the entire Western Hemisphere and you don’t think things might be a little different if you moved… Anywhere? Hell these places are so shitty they’d experience a mild improvement just moving to San Diego or Montreal instead. Not much of an improvement but still. I mean these are the two worst places in the entire Americas for feminist crap and you know they’re the worst places so why don’t you just try to find a way to leave those cities and move elsewhere? Literally anywhere would be better but they seem convinced that the entire continent is the same.

@Mew6ix keeps saying “get me out of Toronto,” what is he expecting? A Russian convoy blaring an anthem to the glory of Vladimir Putin to show up, gun down all the feminists and gay people before a beautiful blonde Russian girl named Natasha emerges from a tank that just blew up Justin Trudeau’s palace to fall into his arms with a passionate kiss before riding back to mother Russia?

I mean fantasies are nice to play around with they can show you what you want in life… But if you want fantasies to be reality, at some point you need to graduate from complaining and start forming a strategy.

Not trying to pick on you Mew6ix just having a bit of fun and friendly advice. Hope you don’t take it personally.

Also as bad as some areas of the West are, it’s still not as bad as some places like North Korea, Cuba, Somalia, or Papua New Guinea.

[Mew6ix]

Cuba is actually safer, cheaper and it's not as bad as it was when it was sanctioned decades ago.

[Outcast9428]

Cuba is actually safer, cheaper and it's not as bad as it was when it was sanctioned decades ago.

See it’s stuff like this that makes you guys hard to take seriously… Praising literal communist nations (that Trudeau is inspired by, by the way) as superior to the West is just nuts.

[Mew6ix]

Cuba is actually safer, cheaper and it's not as bad as it was when it was sanctioned decades ago.

See it’s stuff like this that makes you guys hard to take seriously… Praising literal communist nations (that Trudeau is inspired by, by the way) as superior to the West is just nuts.

Cuba women are not feminist femtards who hate on average men.

American and Canadian femoids are naked with children and fvcking dogs while sending the cops on men for texting them without their consent.

Vladimir Putin is the saving angel to reset the earth of the feminist rot.

May G-d protect Vladimir Putin and let Russia cleanse the earth of the feminist and globohomo cancer, even if it results in nuclear war, famines and mass deaths that the world has never seen.

Vladimir Putin is a hero for affected masculine men living in the feminist nations of faggotry.

[willymonfrete]

Cuba is actually safer, cheaper and it's not as bad as it was when it was sanctioned decades ago.

See it’s stuff like this that makes you guys hard to take seriously… Praising literal communist nations (that Trudeau is inspired by, by the way) as superior to the West is just nuts.

Cuba women are not feminist femtards who hate on average men.

American and Canadian femoids are naked with children and fvcking dogs while sending the cops on men for texting them without their consent.

Vladimir Putin is the saving angel to reset the earth of the feminist rot.

May G-d protect Vladimir Putin and let Russia cleanse the earth of the feminist and globohomo cancer, even if it results in nuclear war, famines and mass deaths that the world has never seen.

Vladimir Putin is a hero for affected masculine men living in the feminist nations of faggotry.

just move dude,go to india and get a arranged marriage thru a church or something.stop being a lazy bum and save up money so you can move and have a gf or wife.this post sounds awfully Jewish.

[WilliamSmith]

You want to know why dating sucks now? It’s not because “I can’t approach or flirt with women anymore!” That has always been a stupid way to try and meet women. And no it’s not because women are calling security on you and tossing men who do this in prison. I approached hundreds of girls back in college and never got that response from them. The truth is, it doesn’t work. It never worked and it never will work.

@Outcast9428
Hey, I still like you and respect your thoughts (or I wouldn't bother responding), and I'm sure that won't change, but you're talking nonsense again: It's OK if you prefer a social network based approach, but your massive over-generalizing is at it again, and what you said about approaching women to start conversations in public and trying to be appealing and "seductive" in some way not working, is not true and total nonsense.

I do disagree (from a practical rather than ideological POV) with the "#s game" approach of approaching a zillion chicks who show no interest in you beforehand, because that'll just lead to a lot of phone #s from women who just want to politely get rid of you, so it wastes time and is also way more awkward.

However, saying men can't succeed with approaches is just flat-out silly since zillions of us have used that as our main approach, whatever its drawbacks.

I don't especially like it due to its awkwardness (and it also is only practical if you're in an area with a lot of women), but I decided on it as the least unpalatable method to meet women, as someone who likes being a "lone wolf" for the most part and didn't want to try to get into either a group of people who are white libs, guys who say "dude" a lot and are into porn and GTA and pot (no offense GTA fans on the forum, LOL), or snobbier social climbing types. (I know there's more types of social circles out there in the world depending on the place, but that's more or less the options I would've had, even though in reality I can achieve everything in my life better alone and really only wanted female company, so there it was.)

Anyway, you say you tried a lot of approaches on a college campus but that's actually a known area where it doesn't work quite as well (though I used it there) compared with a general urban environment, since colleges are often full of social networks, cliques, parties, etc.

In my case I made some progress learning, but when I started just doing stuff like role-modelling my behavior on some actors I liked to improve my overall body language, deportment, and voice (the Dalton Bond being my #1 best successful role model, LOL), it created a comedically hilarious massive increase in getting direct indications of strong interest from women. (I also worked on conversational stuff, read lots of bodice ripper romance novels to figure out what women really actually want in their inner fantasies, etc, but still, it did work.)

You won’t approach women because you are scared. That’s the honest truth. Most people are, that’s why you don’t approach and try to seduce random women walking around in public because it’s a stupid way of trying to meet your partner.

Becoming confident and getting over fears is a thing men need to work on if they decide to use this approach, but that's normal, and it worked for me, but I always get some obvious non-verbal indication of interest (ideally flirting or open invitations).
Also, I am all for all of you guys succeeding however it works for you (whether it's social network / online / nightlife / etc), but if you actually learn how to be true to yourself and your personal code of ethics, values, etc, but also learn how to become more attractive to women in general, those skills will last and pay dividends even if it's not like that's your reason for living.

If you want a girlfriend, tell your friends and family that you are looking for someone. Tell them what you like in a girl. If you don’t know anyone who can find someone for you try to make new friends. Get a different job or join a club.

You're overlooking that a lot of worthwhile men (or potentially worthwhile) literally don't have friends of family, but often even if they do, they'd be vastly worse contacts to look for the right kind of woman for them, compared with doing either approaches or online dating.
I love my old friends but they're literally all on drugs or heavy alcohol use, and family connections would be even more useless in my case (even though I do care about them), and I can get vastly more desirable women not only by not asking around with any of them, but also by specifically avoiding all of them and keeping them away from me. This actually is a very empowering fact because you become an "actor" out there at large, and the impression you make on any woman who knows nothing else about who you are can be rather fascinating as you refine your technique.

But for the love of God stop promoting the cold approach method and giving into PUA bullshit that only works if you are a very specific kind of guy. That only works for 25%, maybe 40% of the population who has a lot of natural confidence. If you are worried about any kind of stigma for approaching women then you are not that kind of guy.

Here again you're just talking nonsense, because you're overlooking the fact that zillions of the guys who learned to do this were literally hopeless messes with no natural confidence when they started, but then gradually got themselves into wanting to do this, and then became big successes. What you're saying is just as silly as saying that "only a very specific kind of guy" can become a great electric guitar player, while overlooking the obvious fact that tons of guys with desire and passion but no innate skill or special talent learn to become top performers by practicing, since it's their passion and they stick with it.

There's one more reason some of us benefit from a direct approach method though, even though I'm all for whatever alternatives might work if that's better for them:
When you're walking around in an area with a lot of women and see a woman with a nice big ass heaving to and fro while she hauls ass walking down the street, you get that sort of maddened crazed animal lust when you see some girl you've never met walking around with extra force in her step so she's pivoting and getting her big ass swinging and bouncing around in a sort of elliptical orbit, and that crazed sense of just watching her vanish out of your life leaving you only with animalistic lustful fantasies is just pure agony, and I couldn't f-ing stand it anymore when I moved to an urban area in my young days, and had to learn how to deal with approaching women in public when it's just one-to-one (her and me) and see if she's interested so I can try to jump her bones. This does sometimes lead to worthwhile relationships, you know!
@Lucas88 might or might not agree, hard to say, but I know we both are crazed for women with big butts so threw in a mention there.

So yeah... you guys use whatever method you want, but it's just as silly for you to say it doesn't work as for me to say that online dating or "nightlife" or social/family/church networking "doesn't work," since that's how some people get their women consistently.

[WilliamSmith]

This is all BS!!
So going up to women and greeting them is a stupid way to meet women???
Yeah!! Just tell ur friends and family ur looking for a girlfriend and expert them to go out and find one for you
Or
You can just approach a girl you find attractive like a goddamn man with balls and talk to her
of course having confidence will work in ur favour
Confisence shows strength
And females are attracted to strength and confidence
They want to feel safe!!!
Here is how you get a woman
1. Get in decent shape
2. Develop self confidence & love urself
3. Be successful. Women want financial security
4. Talk to women
It is easy!!!
Ur sollution outcast is to wait around uncertainly until someone gets you a date???
Just go ask some girls out!!
Worst they can do is say no....
Then you just ask her mate out instead

@CaptainSkelebob
LOL, well my friend the Captain (who insisted to me outright he's not a jew by PM, LOL) obviously prefers something closer to my own approach, so I agree.
But like you guys said in the follow-up posts, "whatever works for you."
Outcast says he tried direct approaches a long time and didn't come up with a way to make the street approach work, which is OK if he finds alternatives to get the women (good for him), but his taking his personal experience and declaring direct approaches don't work is also silly (without disrespect), since tons of guys who are also all over the masculinity spectrum do make it work.
(E.g. the macho men can do it, the gentleman can do it, the guys who I personally think seem like effeminate fags like that Zan guy from back in the day can do it, "nature's beta males" like that guy Juggler who reminds me of one of those jewy wimp whites who'd have been listening to REM cassettes in the 90s can do it........... so it can work, NBD if you found a better way for you personally though, good for you.)

Nightlife is another option, but it depends 100% on where it is. "Clubs" and most bars are full of god-awful music that's too loud so I can't hear the women, and there's more likely to be more game playing and annoying social dynamics at play (and other men shoving their oar in, potentially, though I haven't had much trouble with that).

All that rarely happens in a street approach, especially if a woman gives you the "green light" in some way to show she's obviously interested, which is something I always lazily make sure I'm getting by checking her out in a way that isn't too lewd but sort of obviously telegraphs my obvious healthy male interest (and you can show confidence that way too, I agree, and I think it gets you extra points).
It's like being an actor, but has nothing to do with being insincere, it's just the way to get started finding prospects.

ALSO, the non-verbal flirting techniques that involve no "pickup lines" and aren't really inherently degrading to anyone but the most neurotic anti-sex feminists (or theoretically the occasional woman who dislikes you on sight, LOL) are a lot of fun and can get you on the road toward the so-called "outcome independency" (aka not giving a !@#$ what any individual person thinks about you).
I don't feel there's anything degrading to women about this, and the other clowns like Cornfed have it completely bass-ackwards that this supposedly gives women any kind of power over you, all you're doing is showing you've actually got the balls to go show direct interest in a woman, which is a huge benefit because she'll see you as more of a man, IMO. (But that's OK if you other guys prefer an alternate approach.)

As for environments:
In theory I don't really care about how we (i.e. the women and me) first meet, but once she's interested and we set up a date, I strongly prefer the "romance bubble" where it's just me and her every time, starting with fairly short drink dates in a low-lighting environment, and then after getting her in the sack a few times, then taking non-Asian women to inexpensive Asian restaurants, preferably Cantonese and also a low-lighting environment, LOL.
Edit: The comment on inexpensive Asian restaurants applies because I strongly prefer women "from the wrong side of the tracks" same as myself, who wouldn't consider this beneath them, LOL. That wouldn't work on the kind of chicks who get dolled up and then frequent 5-star hotel bars to meet international businessmen.
I can sometimes relate conversationally even better at first with highly educated women with lucrative careers, but since I came from poverty myself and am really into independence, I prefer women from a somewhat similar place just in case our "involvement" evolved into a relationship.
Ironically, it might actually be easier to get the "higher status" women into the sack if it's nothing serious, in part because they tend to be surrounded in wimp men who got the idea into their heads that their career and "status" is a way to "show value" and get chicks, and consequently didn't put much work into trying to be inherently attractive to women on the visceral level (which works even for guys with surprisingly "modest" appearance, I might add).
But if you want to go for gold-diggers and focus on "SMV," then you'd better stick with drink dates, since the kind of restaurants those high-income chicks would want to go to would cost too much, and it's not worth the $$$ unless she pays for everything (but also the food will suck compared with awesome Cantonese restaurants or Vietnamese restaurants), LOL.

By the way, I am learning to cook Asian food now.
I want to do it just to wolf down the food myself, but it's also a great way to invite women back to your place as soon as possible to try to get in her pants.
(And cooking a built white or black woman authentic delicious Asian cuisine on board your boat is WAY better than just inviting her over to your small apartment and "cooking" for her by making her a frozen pizza or something.)

[WilliamSmith]

Cuba is actually safer, cheaper and it's not as bad as it was when it was sanctioned decades ago.

See it’s stuff like this that makes you guys hard to take seriously… Praising literal communist nations (that Trudeau is inspired by, by the way) as superior to the West is just nuts.

Cuba women are not feminist femtards who hate on average men.

American and Canadian femoids are naked with children and fvcking dogs while sending the cops on men for texting them without their consent.

Vladimir Putin is the saving angel to reset the earth of the feminist rot.

May G-d protect Vladimir Putin and let Russia cleanse the earth of the feminist and globohomo cancer, even if it results in nuclear war, famines and mass deaths that the world has never seen.

Vladimir Putin is a hero for affected masculine men living in the feminist nations of faggotry.

just move dude,go to india and get a arranged marriage thru a church or something.stop being a lazy bum and save up money so you can move and have a gf or wife.this post sounds awfully Jewish.

Mew6ix has openly admitted he's jewish for a long time. I think he and Mercer are kind of funny (especially Mercer), but they're obviously jew trolls and don't even deny it.

[willymonfrete]

Cuba is actually safer, cheaper and it's not as bad as it was when it was sanctioned decades ago.

See it’s stuff like this that makes you guys hard to take seriously… Praising literal communist nations (that Trudeau is inspired by, by the way) as superior to the West is just nuts.

Cuba women are not feminist femtards who hate on average men.

American and Canadian femoids are naked with children and fvcking dogs while sending the cops on men for texting them without their consent.

Vladimir Putin is the saving angel to reset the earth of the feminist rot.

May G-d protect Vladimir Putin and let Russia cleanse the earth of the feminist and globohomo cancer, even if it results in nuclear war, famines and mass deaths that the world has never seen.

Vladimir Putin is a hero for affected masculine men living in the feminist nations of faggotry.

just move dude,go to india and get a arranged marriage thru a church or something.stop being a lazy bum and save up money so you can move and have a gf or wife.this post sounds awfully Jewish.

Mew6ix has openly admitted he's jewish for a long time. I think he and Mercer are kind of funny (especially Mercer), but they're obviously jew trolls and don't even deny it.

Yes,his hatred for life and the goyim because they don't follow his talmudic chattel slavery and misogyny is awfully Jewish

and supporting putin,is very jewish