Do right-leaning liberals dislike wokes more or traditionalists more?

[jamesbond]

@MrMan A few cities doesn't really reflect a societal trend. But let's say you, @Lucas88 and @jamesbond are correct that historically Protestant societies criminalized or did not tolerate prostitution on a more frequent basis. If that is the case, then that does not reflect well on the successfulness of banning prostitution. All of the historically Protestant societies are now the ones that have gone the furthest to the left. The UK, Canada, Switzerland, Germany, Austria, the Netherlands and Denmark are all very leftist.

If historically Protestant societies were more harsh on prostitution, then this would explain a lot of that. If you want your traditional society to remain a traditional society, you have to allow prostitution or else people will fall into liberalism. Look at what happened in the United States? They started cracking down on prostitution during the 1910s and then women won voting rights, started entering the workforce, and hookups almost immediately became more common. The Great Depression set that back a little and so did WW2. After WW2 America had a bit of a conservative revival in the 50s, but that quickly fell apart in the 1960s.

You cannot maintain traditionalism without prostitution. It angers a lot of men and then feminists exploit men's sexual frustration and say "See! Its those religious, traditional, patriarchal people's fault that you have to wait until you are 25 and married before you can have sex. If you support us on the other hand, we'll let you get laid whenever you can convince a woman to let you sleep with her."

Sexuality is like a river, trying to stop it is the most idiotic thing anyone can do. Traditionalism should never attempt to stop the river from flowing. What we ought to do is dam certain parts of the river, control and direct it so that it doesn't flood our cities and becomes a beautiful thing to be enjoyed and admired rather then a dangerous threat to the security and stability of our lives.

An example would be how I support outlawing a lot of harmful types of pornography like violent, extreme, and fetishistic porn but I do not support banning all erotic material entirely. The reason is simple, if you ban all pornography, then all porn, including the violent, extreme, and fetishistic porn, becomes an equal part of the black market. The black market will have violent torture porn, pedophilia, and bestiality side by side with a topless woman showing her boobs.

If you keep the photo of the girl's boobs legal, however, but ban the violent torture porn, the child porn, and the bestiality porn, then only those types of pornography become black market material whereas pornography that appeals to much healthier and more natural sexual interest absorbs the vast majority of the demand for pornographic material. This means it is easy to find a photo of a girl's boobs but it becomes difficult to find porn containing bestiality or violent/rough sex and people have to risk being arrested and going to prison in order to obtain that kind of stuff.

Again, control and direct the river, dam the portions that threaten to flood your home, but do not attempt to stop the river. Trying to stop the river will guarantee that your home is flooded.

This was all very well stated Outcast9428, I agree with everything you said. You can't ban prostitution without serious ramifications (just look at the United States for example). Your right, sexuality is like a river, trying to stop it is the most idiotic thing anyone can do.

I was in Germany a few months ago and prostitution is legal, widespread (they are allowed to advertise in newspapers, magazines and billboards) and it's widely accepted by the German people. I did visit a brothel which had an indoor and outdoor swimming pool, it also had an all you can eat buffet, a gym with exercise machines and free weights, a sauna, showers and a whirlpool. There was at least 50 girls there when I went (on a Sunday afternoon) It's called Artemis go to their website the place is awesome! I also hired an escort with does the GFE experience (Girl Friend Experience). We went out on three dates, had dinner together, spent 9 hours together on one day, 4 hours another day and 5 hours another day.

She drove me around the city in her car (and didn't ask for any gas money or money for parking). She showed me all the historical sights in Berlin frequently stopped to park and we walked around a lot and I took a lot of pictures. We also went on a boat ride down the Spree river which runs right through the heart of Berlin which was awesome. She only charged me 115 Euros an hour she was supposed to charge me 150 Euros an hour but she said she really enjoyed my company. We were together a total of 18 hours over three days and yes we had sex at the end of all of our dates. We need to have something like this in the US, who knows, maybe it will become legalized some day in the future.

[Outcast9428]

@MrMan A few cities doesn't really reflect a societal trend. But let's say you, @Lucas88 and @jamesbond are correct that historically Protestant societies criminalized or did not tolerate prostitution on a more frequent basis. If that is the case, then that does not reflect well on the successfulness of banning prostitution. All of the historically Protestant societies are now the ones that have gone the furthest to the left. The UK, Canada, Switzerland, Germany, Austria, the Netherlands and Denmark are all very leftist.

If historically Protestant societies were more harsh on prostitution, then this would explain a lot of that. If you want your traditional society to remain a traditional society, you have to allow prostitution or else people will fall into liberalism. Look at what happened in the United States? They started cracking down on prostitution during the 1910s and then women won voting rights, started entering the workforce, and hookups almost immediately became more common. The Great Depression set that back a little and so did WW2. After WW2 America had a bit of a conservative revival in the 50s, but that quickly fell apart in the 1960s.

You cannot maintain traditionalism without prostitution. It angers a lot of men and then feminists exploit men's sexual frustration and say "See! Its those religious, traditional, patriarchal people's fault that you have to wait until you are 25 and married before you can have sex. If you support us on the other hand, we'll let you get laid whenever you can convince a woman to let you sleep with her."

Sexuality is like a river, trying to stop it is the most idiotic thing anyone can do. Traditionalism should never attempt to stop the river from flowing. What we ought to do is dam certain parts of the river, control and direct it so that it doesn't flood our cities and becomes a beautiful thing to be enjoyed and admired rather then a dangerous threat to the security and stability of our lives.

An example would be how I support outlawing a lot of harmful types of pornography like violent, extreme, and fetishistic porn but I do not support banning all erotic material entirely. The reason is simple, if you ban all pornography, then all porn, including the violent, extreme, and fetishistic porn, becomes an equal part of the black market. The black market will have violent torture porn, pedophilia, and bestiality side by side with a topless woman showing her boobs.

If you keep the photo of the girl's boobs legal, however, but ban the violent torture porn, the child porn, and the bestiality porn, then only those types of pornography become black market material whereas pornography that appeals to much healthier and more natural sexual interest absorbs the vast majority of the demand for pornographic material. This means it is easy to find a photo of a girl's boobs but it becomes difficult to find porn containing bestiality or violent/rough sex and people have to risk being arrested and going to prison in order to obtain that kind of stuff.

Again, control and direct the river, dam the portions that threaten to flood your home, but do not attempt to stop the river. Trying to stop the river will guarantee that your home is flooded.

This was all very well stated Outcast9428, I agree with everything you said. You can't ban prostitution without serious ramifications (just look at the United States for example). Your right, sexuality is like a river, trying to stop it is the most idiotic thing anyone can do.

I was in Germany a few months ago and prostitution is legal, widespread (they are allowed to advertise in newspapers, magazines and billboards) and it's widely accepted by the German people. I did visit a brothel which had an indoor and outdoor swimming pool, it also had an all you can eat buffet, a gym with exercise machines and free weights, a sauna, showers and a whirlpool. There was at least 50 girls there when I went (on a Sunday afternoon) It's called Artemis go to their website the place is awesome! I also hired an escort with does the GFE experience (Girl Friend Experience). We went out on three dates, had dinner together, spent 9 hours together on one day, 4 hours another day and 5 hours another day.

She drove me around the city in her car (and didn't ask for any gas money or money for parking). She showed me all the historical sights in Berlin frequently stopped to park and we walked around a lot and I took a lot of pictures. We also went on a boat ride down the Spree river which runs right through the heart of Berlin which was awesome. She only charged me 115 Euros an hour she was supposed to charge me 150 Euros an hour but she said she really enjoyed my company. We were together a total of 18 hours over three days and yes we had sex at the end of all of our dates. We need to have something like this in the US, who knows, maybe it will become legalized some day in the future.

Sexual frustration is dangerous. I do believe it is seriously dangerous to men’s psychological health and I do think forcing people to wait too long in life before they can have sex is dangerous too. It is really rare that somebody, forced to wait until they are in their 20s before having sex, doesn’t have major issues going into adulthood. Sexual frustration makes me very irritable and angry, it makes it harder for me to handle stress and can even lead to serious depression if it lasts long enough. If men are simply told to endure these conditions it will have terrible consequences.

I strongly support marriages, long term relationships and love though so I don’t want people hooking up, having one night stands or casual relationships. These behaviors degrade the dating scene and make it almost impossible to find a relationship because they overpower and drown out relationships wherever they become common.

Prostitution doesn’t do that though. Prostitution stays in its own lane and doesn’t threaten marriages and long term relationships. I believe this is why Renaissance Europe was so tolerant of prostitution but harsh on casual hookups and did not allow people to have one night stands.

[WilliamSmith]

My opinion: I also think prostitution should be outlawed in any healthy society, possibly with the strict exception of self-employed "escorts," but anything involving "management" such as pimps, madams, or brothels should be completely outlawed.

@Outcast9428 seems like a great guy with some interesting thoughtful ideas in a lot of places, but his argument prostitution and "traditionalism" are somehow compatible in a healthy society are beyond bizarre, IMO:
The idea that our sisters, daughters, and other young girls and women in a supposedly "traditionalist" society should be penned up like livestock in brothels so that stupid low-grade sissy men can get a "sexual outlet" using the girls for this purpose is perverse. Supposedly having a bunch of sexually repressed wussies trapped in monogamous marriages from an excessively early age is virtuous, yet then the obvious problem of morbid sexual repression that will cause amongst the men is to be dealt with by the sleaze of prostitution?? No thanks.

There isn't anything wrong with learning how to go out and attract and score with the women who like you, and have a good time with them whether that leads to a more serious voluntary relationship or not.

Men who just haven't learned to get good with women yet can still learn and fix their situation (and location change can be one part of that if they want, which might make it way easier), so I'm not pitching any contempt on them.

However, men are too lazy and incompetent to learn how to get good with women but still bitch they want an "outlet" have plenty of other options at the present time, so they should stop bitching and go look into those: They can now get relatively economical realistic looking love dolls that look like sexy healthy sexually mature young women, but won't require them to have any woman-skills, and won't threaten their egg-shell thin egos either. I heard you can get some of them that even have sexy girly moaning/sex noises, LOL.

There's also a rapidly developing machine-learning and AI scene and a growing industry of robotic AI powered companions (both sexual varieties for lonely men and women, and non-sexual stuff like cute robotic animal companions).
I heard there's multiple PC programs where you can get an AI girlfriend already. I think I heard there's VR versions too.
Incels and "trapill" guys should go get into this good stuff rather than trying to make perverse arguments that women should have to serve as prostitutes for their "outlet."

I'm not against "traditionalist" societies, but any supposedly "traditionalist" society composed of faggoty little men who are such a bunch of pussies they won't even go talk to women by themselves and consequently think they should be indulged in institutionalized prostitution (as though that's actually a boon to the "traditionalism") sounds like a "traditionalist" society that's more than ripe for some healthier and more masculine society to come stamp it into the dust and put it out of its misery.

[jamesbond]

Sexual frustration is dangerous. I do believe it is seriously dangerous to men’s psychological health and I do think forcing people to wait too long in life before they can have sex is dangerous too. It is really rare that somebody, forced to wait until they are in their 20s before having sex, doesn’t have major issues going into adulthood. Sexual frustration makes me very irritable and angry, it makes it harder for me to handle stress and can even lead to serious depression if it lasts long enough. If men are simply told to endure these conditions it will have terrible consequences.

Prostitution doesn’t do that though. Prostitution stays in its own lane and doesn’t threaten marriages and long term relationships. I believe this is why Renaissance Europe was so tolerant of prostitution but harsh on casual hookups and did not allow people to have one night stands.

Good video explaining the health benefits of sex.

[Outcast9428]

@WilliamSmith

A lot of people in modern times think it’s a weird argument but among countries that aren’t Muslim countries, what traditional societies don’t have prostitution? In the past or in the present? Is it really a strange combination when that very combination has been the norm in pretty much all of them?



The defining feature of being a traditionalist is that we advocate that the driving force behind modern problems are because previously uncommon behavior and mindsets have become common now and we have essentially forgotten the solution to them. That the answer to these problems generally lies in old solutions rather then new ones.

Most of what I’m saying in these posts was considered common sense not even two centuries ago. Even Victorian England despite its reputation for prudishness had legal prostitution.

[WilliamSmith]

@WilliamSmith

A lot of people in modern times think it’s a weird argument but among countries that aren’t Muslim countries, what traditional societies don’t have prostitution? In the past or in the present? Is it really a strange combination when that very combination has been the norm in pretty much all of them?

Interesting thoughtful response as usual Outcast9428.

The key difference of opinion with me vs tradpill is they think cherry-picking particular periods of European history under the domination of the Church (not only the Church, but largely) is a viable way of looking back to healthier societies.
(They also whitewash the cherry-picked periods until they become practically fantasy recreations rather than accurate.)
But either way, what I personally think is the bogus faulty assumption is that there's anything immoral about female sexuality, or anything morally superior about monogamy. That's why I call people who insist on it "hodlers," not to be insulting, but because they're using similar reasoning to buy-and-hold investors and bitcoin maxis who tell everyone else we supposedly should be putting all our eggs in those assets and hodling, then when the price crashes and many (I think most) of them don't have !@#$ to show for it except losses or grossly inferior returns and no way to get back all the lost time, a lot of them still claim doing it their way was the best.

However, rather than argue about that at the moment, an interesting in-depth discussion to have sometime in the future is comparing the traditional Chinese model to the ones you are interested in:

Because they actually shared a lot of your opinions about sexual morality in some cases,
and when the types of Chinese who had more in common with me popped up mischievously writing erotic novels and chasing tail there was a lot of noise with the traditionalists yelling about undermining traditional morality, even though they at least had the sense a lot of times to allow established gentlemen to have multiple wives.

What you wrote here sounds downright Confucian, in fact:

The defining feature of being a traditionalist is that we advocate that the driving force behind modern problems are because previously uncommon behavior and mindsets have become common now and we have essentially forgotten the solution to them. That the answer to these problems generally lies in old solutions rather then new ones.

I love Confucius, so I want to get back into this discussion later, but I'm "doing that thing again" of spending hours and hours on Happier Abroad when I intended to do a bunch of outdoor work and specific other projects today, LOL, so be back later.
Being self-employed is awesome but I do end up spending a !@#$load of time on this forum as a result of that freedom...

[WilliamSmith]

This was all very well stated Outcast9428, I agree with everything you said. You can't ban prostitution without serious ramifications (just look at the United States for example). Your right, sexuality is like a river, trying to stop it is the most idiotic thing anyone can do.

I missed this post when I weighed in last time with my anti-prostitution rant. This was interesting @jamesbond . I agree with the point about how trying to stifle sexuality is a disaster, but personally I think the tradpill types have it bass-ackwards that scoring with women voluntarily is supposedly "degenerate" vs having a bunch of women serving as sexual livestock for incels (which IMO is immoral and degenerate, unless the woman definitely voluntarily works in the industry making good $$$).
And this has nothing to do with you, but having married religious men claiming it's OK for them to be sneaking into brothels to satisfy their sexual instincts while claiming guys like me who score with women who actually like us when there's no exchange of $$$ involved are supposedly "immoral" are so far beyond full of !@#$ it's downright comical. (Do the religious nuts actually think it's virtuous for married religious men to be porking away on prostitutes while they're married, and that "God" would supposedly approve of that, but condemn the rest of us for having sex with women without !@#$ing both our lives up with pointless monogamous marriage?? )

But the "escort" arrangement that you described here sounds (from what I can tell) pretty harmless though if that German chick was really as happy to be "escorting" you as it sounded like...

I was in Germany a few months ago and prostitution is legal, widespread (they are allowed to advertise in newspapers, magazines and billboards) and it's widely accepted by the German people. I did visit a brothel which had an indoor and outdoor swimming pool, it also had an all you can eat buffet, a gym with exercise machines and free weights, a sauna, showers and a whirlpool. There was at least 50 girls there when I went (on a Sunday afternoon) It's called Artemis go to their website the place is awesome! I also hired an escort with does the GFE experience (Girl Friend Experience). We went out on three dates, had dinner together, spent 9 hours together on one day, 4 hours another day and 5 hours another day.

She drove me around the city in her car (and didn't ask for any gas money or money for parking). She showed me all the historical sights in Berlin frequently stopped to park and we walked around a lot and I took a lot of pictures. We also went on a boat ride down the Spree river which runs right through the heart of Berlin which was awesome. She only charged me 115 Euros an hour she was supposed to charge me 150 Euros an hour but she said she really enjoyed my company. We were together a total of 18 hours over three days and yes we had sex at the end of all of our dates. We need to have something like this in the US, who knows, maybe it will become legalized some day in the future.

I'm glad you had fun, but GODDAMN, I can tell you're not of Scottish heritage like me: 115 euros an hour just to get a chick pretending to be your girlfriend and some lays?!?!?
I can feel the icy grip of my deceased Scotch ancestors grasping at me in protest just thinking about spewing out that kind of $$$, but if you've got that much $$$ that you're willing to pay that much, have you looked into escaping overseas to places with better currency exchange dynamics?
Sounds like Western gents are in demand with Pinays and the like (maybe some Latinas nearly as much) for actual relationships (casual or serious), but even though I'd never go anywhere near p4p in a million years myself, I also heard it costs like $10-20 for a night with a good looking young woman in some of those countries...
Maybe you have to be Scottish or Chinese to see the difference (?), but if I was in the market for these "p4p" indulgences I'd much rather pay $10-20 a night than over $100 an hour.

You'll never see me paying for any prostitutes, but I definitely want to go to South East Asia and partake of those $1 beers they have, as well as the food...

[Outcast9428]

@WilliamSmith I do not believe a married man should be going to prostitutes. In my opinion, prostitution should exist mainly for unmarried teenage boys. Teenage boys usually are not mature enough to handle a real relationship but trying to make them be celibate is idiotic and has been a complete disaster.

As surprising as it may sound, I don’t believe one system should be imposed on the entire world. I believe that extreme traditionalism is the most morally and socially cohesive/functional way to live but I don’t expect or want that way of life to be forced in a globalist way on every country.

It’s more the Asian countries specifically that I really want to see preserve their traditionalism. I would like to see the Southern states in America be more like the 1950s and see the Asian countries like China and Japan go back to their pre-communist and pre-Western roots. So China become more like a Confucian country and Japan become more like it was in the Edo period.

The main reason being that I do have contempt for liberal values. I will never be unhappy to see a country becoming more conservative. But I would leave the world alone for the most part. I mainly want the Southern US states to resemble the 1950s again and for the Asian countries to be less tolerant of the liberal strains I feel threaten to destroy them. Asian countries are already culturally amazing countries I just think they should be completely intolerant of subversion and liberalism because preserving their culture and way of life should be the number 1 priority even if they gain a reputation that’s a little bit like the reputation Arab/Muslims have gained for themselves.

[WilliamSmith]

@WilliamSmith I do not believe a married man should be going to prostitutes. In my opinion, prostitution should exist mainly for unmarried teenage boys. Teenage boys usually are not mature enough to handle a real relationship but trying to make them be celibate is idiotic and has been a complete disaster.

Hmm, that's an inventive take on it @Outcast9428... legalized prostitution but mainly only for teenage male sex fiends?

The other problem here is that young women are just as crazed over sex as the young boys, so would this theoretic traditional society need male gigolos for handling the explosion of teenage female sexual energy, as well as brothels with professional working women for the horny teenage lads?

As surprising as it may sound, I don’t believe one system should be imposed on the entire world. I believe that extreme traditionalism is the most morally and socially cohesive/functional way to live but I don’t expect or want that way of life to be forced in a globalist way on every country.

Not wanting to impose one system on the whole world doesn't sound surprising to me at all! Just evidence that you have a comparatively sane and ethical mind, vs those with the ludicrous hubris to think the one system they imagine is best should be forced on everyone else on the planet/nation/etc (or in "globalists" case, outright sociopathic/schizo mental disorders combined with religious delusions about being "Chosen people" that make them think that way).

Also, allowing multiple systems to exist in multiple regions, provides an escape mechanism for people who don't like the system, rather than forcing them into a subversive or rebellious position. E.g. if the theocracy was going to be imposed from the top down on your area with a lot of popular support, but @Lucas88, me, and anyone else who likes nailing 2-4 women at a time with an additional open option any more women who happen to cross our path and give us a wiggle and smile or whatever, we could politely just leave and go somewhere else, rather than having to take up arms to fight the theocracy.

Last but not least, allowing multiple systems so that different nation states (or smaller political subdivisions like the US states) come up with very different rulesets, provides valuable information about what policies produce different types of results. If we didn't live in a world of "globalists" attempting to force everyone into consolidated superstates under technocracy and mass surveillance and so on (and tearing down the existing nation states with subversions and mass immigration, and so on), then countries with very different values who nonetheless aren't trying to conquer each other could actually learn a lot from each other.

It’s more the Asian countries specifically that I really want to see preserve their traditionalism. I would like to see the Southern states in America be more like the 1950s and see the Asian countries like China and Japan go back to their pre-communist and pre-Western roots. So China become more like a Confucian country and Japan become more like it was in the Edo period.

The main reason being that I do have contempt for liberal values. I will never be unhappy to see a country becoming more conservative. But I would leave the world alone for the most part. I mainly want the Southern US states to resemble the 1950s again and for the Asian countries to be less tolerant of the liberal strains I feel threaten to destroy them. Asian countries are already culturally amazing countries I just think they should be completely intolerant of subversion and liberalism because preserving their culture and way of life should be the number 1 priority even if they gain a reputation that’s a little bit like the reputation Arab/Muslims have gained for themselves.

Any perspective on which Asian country/countries have the best prospects?
Actually, I started thinking about it and it makes an interesting topic...

[Outcast9428]

@WilliamSmith I do not believe a married man should be going to prostitutes. In my opinion, prostitution should exist mainly for unmarried teenage boys. Teenage boys usually are not mature enough to handle a real relationship but trying to make them be celibate is idiotic and has been a complete disaster.

Hmm, that's an inventive take on it @Outcast9428... legalized prostitution but mainly only for teenage male sex fiends?

The other problem here is that young women are just as crazed over sex as the young boys, so would this theoretic traditional society need male gigolos for handling the explosion of teenage female sexual energy, as well as brothels with professional working women for the horny teenage lads?

As surprising as it may sound, I don’t believe one system should be imposed on the entire world. I believe that extreme traditionalism is the most morally and socially cohesive/functional way to live but I don’t expect or want that way of life to be forced in a globalist way on every country.

Not wanting to impose one system on the whole world doesn't sound surprising to me at all! Just evidence that you have a comparatively sane and ethical mind, vs those with the ludicrous hubris to think the one system they imagine is best should be forced on everyone else on the planet/nation/etc (or in "globalists" case, outright sociopathic/schizo mental disorders combined with religious delusions about being "Chosen people" that make them think that way).

Also, allowing multiple systems to exist in multiple regions, provides an escape mechanism for people who don't like the system, rather than forcing them into a subversive or rebellious position. E.g. if the theocracy was going to be imposed from the top down on your area with a lot of popular support, but @Lucas88, me, and anyone else who likes nailing 2-4 women at a time with an additional open option any more women who happen to cross our path and give us a wiggle and smile or whatever, we could politely just leave and go somewhere else, rather than having to take up arms to fight the theocracy.

Last but not least, allowing multiple systems so that different nation states (or smaller political subdivisions like the US states) come up with very different rulesets, provides valuable information about what policies produce different types of results. If we didn't live in a world of "globalists" attempting to force everyone into consolidated superstates under technocracy and mass surveillance and so on (and tearing down the existing nation states with subversions and mass immigration, and so on), then countries with very different values who nonetheless aren't trying to conquer each other could actually learn a lot from each other.

It’s more the Asian countries specifically that I really want to see preserve their traditionalism. I would like to see the Southern states in America be more like the 1950s and see the Asian countries like China and Japan go back to their pre-communist and pre-Western roots. So China become more like a Confucian country and Japan become more like it was in the Edo period.

The main reason being that I do have contempt for liberal values. I will never be unhappy to see a country becoming more conservative. But I would leave the world alone for the most part. I mainly want the Southern US states to resemble the 1950s again and for the Asian countries to be less tolerant of the liberal strains I feel threaten to destroy them. Asian countries are already culturally amazing countries I just think they should be completely intolerant of subversion and liberalism because preserving their culture and way of life should be the number 1 priority even if they gain a reputation that’s a little bit like the reputation Arab/Muslims have gained for themselves.

Any perspective on which Asian country/countries have the best prospects?
Actually, I started thinking about it and it makes an interesting topic...

My apologies, I did not see this post earlier.

I think for teenage girls it would be easier because girls naturally marry younger then guys do since they don’t need to build a career and stable enough income in order to marry. Ideally I would expect that girls would be getting married right around the age that teenage boys would be able to visit brothels.

Yeah I think the merit of a system can be judged, in many ways, on whether it allows you to leave or not. That’s how you know that communism isn’t just at all because no communist society allows it’s citizens to leave. Communist nations are actually the only countries out there that don’t let their citizens leave. Even Iran and Saudi Arabia let their citizens leave if they hate the way the system is.

If you let citizens leave then you can always argue that “this is just how our system works.” But if you don’t let citizens leave, you are telling them and the entire world “we know we are tyrannical dickheads and you’d choose just about any other country in the world rather then this one so we can’t let you leave or else we’d have nobody left to rule over.”

[WilliamSmith]

My apologies, I did not see this post earlier.

I think for teenage girls it would be easier because girls naturally marry younger then guys do since they don’t need to build a career and stable enough income in order to marry. Ideally I would expect that girls would be getting married right around the age that teenage boys would be able to visit brothels.

Hell maybe you p4p guys are right well regulated institutionalized prostitution would actually benefit society, bloody hell, I'll leave it to the rest of you to get it figured out. All I know is I would never go for p4p and I don't want my daughters working in a damned brothel.

Yeah I think the merit of a system can be judged, in many ways, on whether it allows you to leave or not. That’s how you know that communism isn’t just at all because no communist society allows it’s citizens to leave. Communist nations are actually the only countries out there that don’t let their citizens leave. Even Iran and Saudi Arabia let their citizens leave if they hate the way the system is.

If you let citizens leave then you can always argue that “this is just how our system works.” But if you don’t let citizens leave, you are telling them and the entire world “we know we are tyrannical dickheads and you’d choose just about any other country in the world rather then this one so we can’t let you leave or else we’d have nobody left to rule over.”

I agree with this for sure, any society that allows its discontents to leave at least has more credibility if it's willing to let its system be put to the test. Theoretically a split-up of the USSA might actually work out OK that way, especially since lots of far leftwing types want it as well. Hey, go ahead and do Commiefornia your own way if all the assholes will stay there rather than having the rich ones flood out of there and try to recreate commiefornia everywhere else.

If USSA keeps going communist without splitting up, I suspect ZOG will make it illegal to leave though. They've already made it harder and harder to renounce US citizenship.

[josephty2]

People like you William Smith and Outcast9428 just keep labeling and judging.

So, does a anime girl mind stuck in an adult body dislike brave people or avoidant more? Geez, I don't know.

[Outcast9428]

People like you William Smith and Outcast9428 just keep labeling and judging.

So, does a anime girl mind stuck in an adult body dislike brave people or avoidant more? Geez, I don't know.

I’m confused by this question… honestly I cannot even tell who you are addressing.

[josephty2]

People like you William Smith and Outcast9428 just keep labeling and judging.

So, does a anime girl mind stuck in an adult body dislike brave people or avoidant more? Geez, I don't know.

I’m confused by this question… honestly I cannot even tell who you are addressing.

I AM NOT A CAPITALIST HOARDER. f**k you, Outcast9428 capitalist hoarder. Why not just say it? Come on, you have opinions butterfly boy.

Look, I'm not trying to be hostile, you're probably way too chill at the wrong moment and angry at the wrong moment. When you're chill there's people suffering and you're doing nothing about it and you're in heads in clouds thinking about the future and imaginary intuition nonsense.

Such a Democrat, you are. If you're a Democrat why are you here? Hmm... this is confusing.

Are you a democrat in a majority Republican state? If you're not in America, before you left America, were you a democrat in a majority Republican state?

If you like slang, and memes, why are you in this website? America is paradise for the likes of you.

[Outcast9428]

People like you William Smith and Outcast9428 just keep labeling and judging.

So, does a anime girl mind stuck in an adult body dislike brave people or avoidant more? Geez, I don't know.

I’m confused by this question… honestly I cannot even tell who you are addressing.

I AM NOT A CAPITALIST HOARDER. f**k you, Outcast9428 capitalist hoarder. Why not just say it? Come on, you have opinions butterfly boy.

Look, I'm not trying to be hostile, you're probably way too chill at the wrong moment and angry at the wrong moment. When you're chill there's people suffering and you're doing nothing about it and you're in heads in clouds thinking about the future and imaginary intuition nonsense.

Such a Democrat, you are. If you're a Democrat why are you here? Hmm... this is confusing.

Are you a democrat in a majority Republican state? If you're not in America, before you left America, were you a democrat in a majority Republican state?

If you like slang, and memes, why are you in this website? America is paradise for the likes of you.

Are you on drugs?