Why does it seem a lot of mysognists are "homosexuals/gays? Both in the manosphere and in real life

[shawnberwick]

@Lucas88

Have you been watching Rod Fleming's videos on youtube? If not, I think you might like them.

I think Blanchard's model probably is accurate, but I don't believe it's the full picture. Ladyboys in Thailand will talk about gender dysphoria, and feeling trapped in a masculine body. However, generally they don't demand to be seen as equivalent to women, they are aware that they are different and don't try to convince people otherwise.

[Lucas88]

@Lucas88

Have you been watching Rod Fleming's videos on youtube? If not, I think you might like them.

I think Blanchard's model probably is accurate, but I don't believe it's the full picture. Ladyboys in Thailand will talk about gender dysphoria, and feeling trapped in a masculine body. However, generally they don't demand to be seen as equivalent to women, they are aware that they are different and don't try to convince people otherwise.

I've been studying human sexuality for years. It's a subject that I find interesting.

I think Blanchard's model accurately reflects the reality of transsexuality despite opposition to the theory (mostly on ideological grounds). I myself know of cases of both types of transsexuals in real life and online who fit the respective classifications to a tee (get it? ).

Gender dysphoria and the subjective sensation of being trapped in a masculine body do not necessarily invalidate the theory. Blanchard's model fundamentally describes the etiologies of transsexuality. The above are simply symptoms of these etiologies.

Gender dysphoria for example may manifest itself in both HSTS and AGPs but for radically different reasons.

A HSTS may feel gender dysphoria through her self-perception of not being feminine enough to be considered attractive to masculine gynephilic men since the reason for her desire to present as female is to attract and have sex with such men and this can result in a feeling of trappedness in her own body or dissatisfaction with fate.

An AGP may also feel a similar symptom of gender dysphoria but in her case this results from a very different thought process. The AGP wishes to be as feminine as possible and to become a perfect facsimile of a woman in order to fulfill her autogynephilic fantasy but in most cases her masculine features prevent her from achieving this and this causes her a lot of emotional distress.

The only thing that I wonder about Blanchard's model is what would be the etiology behind a bisexual man (both gynephilic and androphilic) who decides to become a transsexual. Would he be a HSTS-AGP hybrid or a possible third type?

[MrMan]

By 'transwoman', do you mean a man who had his body modified to look like a woman, or just dresses like a woman and pretends to be one?

Not a genuine question, right?

It's part rhetorical, and part genuine question.

I wonder why people go along with their wording, too, calling men women because they want to be called that or had a doctor mutilate their genitals, pump them full of hormones, etc.

[shawnberwick]

It's part rhetorical, and part genuine question.

I wonder why people go along with their wording, too, calling men women because they want to be called that or had a doctor mutilate their genitals, pump them full of hormones, etc.

Some people probably just go along and don't believe it. Some people see them as a sub-set of women, but not interchangeable or identical with women.

Something I've noticed is that both hardcore anti-trans and pro-trans activists seem to thought police people, which you appear to be trying to do through asking loaded questions?

[MrMan]

It's part rhetorical, and part genuine question.

I wonder why people go along with their wording, too, calling men women because they want to be called that or had a doctor mutilate their genitals, pump them full of hormones, etc.

Some people probably just go along and don't believe it. Some people see them as a sub-set of women, but not interchangeable or identical with women.

Something I've noticed is that both hardcore anti-trans and pro-trans activists seem to thought police people, which you appear to be trying to do through asking loaded questions?

You didn't answer my question. It's a question that has been raised on the forum except it was 'what is a trans man?'

Do you mean an individual born as a biological male who identifies as female (whether or not he has had work done?)

I honestly don't know for sure if everyone who uses these terms is on the same page.

[WilliamSmith]

It's part rhetorical, and part genuine question.

I wonder why people go along with their wording, too, calling men women because they want to be called that or had a doctor mutilate their genitals, pump them full of hormones, etc.

Some people probably just go along and don't believe it. Some people see them as a sub-set of women, but not interchangeable or identical with women.

Something I've noticed is that both hardcore anti-trans and pro-trans activists seem to thought police people, which you appear to be trying to do through asking loaded questions?

You didn't answer my question. It's a question that has been raised on the forum except it was 'what is a trans man?'

Do you mean an individual born as a biological male who identifies as female (whether or not he has had work done?)

I honestly don't know for sure if everyone who uses these terms is on the same page.

Not sure there's any way anyone could get on the same page there, since, when referring to the LBTQ-whatnot "community," we're talking about people selecting from dozens of non-existent "non-binary" facebook gender identities, and looking for every excuse possible to get triggered into squealing woke outrage if someone accidentally uses the wrong gender pronouns.
I recall a recent story featuring a small bearded "trans" man who gave birth to a genetically modified baby at a hospital, and then exploded in woke squealing anger at the hospital staff for having congratulated him for being the "mother," since (he squealed) he believed that one doesn't have to be female (and hence a mother) in order to give birth to a child.

Personally, I believe at least this many groups actually do exist:

1) Women (love 'em!)

2) Men (I won't need to explain this one to someone named MrMan or most of the Happier Abroad crowd, but on the off-chance anyone's confused you could look up Duke Nukem, watch Schwarzenegger films like Commando, or read the original Robert E. Howard Conan the Barbarian films)

3) Hermaphrodites (a blameless group of people who happen to be born with the rare genetic abnormality of having combined male and female genitalia, and I believe a tiny fraction of the human population, like the people born with little reptilian tails)

4) Whackos with gender dysphoria (a mental illness causing people to feel distressed and lacking in conviction about which gender they are, which may or may not lead to them politicizing the issue and run around making an extravaganza of woke drama about their condition).

Of course, there may well be other groups. Lucas88 and shawnberwick contributed some interesting things to this discussion, teaching me far more than I ever knew about transsexuals.

I'll extend any polite Thai ladyboys the same basic civilized courtesy I extend to anyone else, if I encounter them in my travels, but finding countries in which globohomo is encouraged the least is definitely one of my current research topics.

As you're probably all aware, there's currently an ongoing horror show of woke libs actually expressing outrage because certain more conservative or cautious doctors refuse to give the libs' young children (under 10 years old!!) gender change operations. The globohomo agenda, obviously, pushes this as indoctrination in public schools, among other places.

My view: I hope for peace first and foremost to avoid bloodshed, starvation, etc, but if push comes to shove and the ZOGs and NATO won't stop provoking Russia/China/etc with their warmongering, I hope the Czar of Russia and Emperor Xi Jinping of China give the NWO a good smashing to put a stop to this welter of deranged sexual perversion.

I'm also happy that some of the finest up and coming nations in Africa and the Caribbean already completely outlaw homosexuality, homo marriage and gays/pedos adopting children!!

[WilliamSmith]

But I have noticed what you were saying: I found some guy who had some kind of 'barbarian' branded primal masculinity series, and was some kind of big middle eastern muscleman who was also openly gay.
It was obvious some of these guys are trying to exploit the MGTOW situation to foster more misogyny so they can convert men into a bunch of damned butt boys, as well as sell their own product.

I looked it up real quick and I was wrong about the buttboy manosphere influencer writing about Barbarians being a middle easterner like I'd said before:
I got my memories mixed together because I once clicked the wrong Twitter account (based on a different post that had nothing to do with this globohomo subject) and the account had retweeted some video of manosphere middle eastern bodybuilders licking each other's armpits. Fuckin pervs, LOL.

Anyway, this was the Barbarian one I was thinking of, some dumbass called Jack Donovan who was once into the full spectrum of "gay rights" political campaigning, gay pride marches, drag queens and go-go dancing in gay clubs, now has become a "right-wing extremist" with a religion that "worships masculinity", opened a chapter of some group called the "Wolves of Vinland," and he's balling with a Mexican MAGA Trumper (apparently an actual man, not a tranny), LOL. Ahhh, gotta love the jewnited states culture.

I only skimmed this, but for anyone interested in the topic I spotted this link on the subject on Brave search:
https://www.thecut.com/2017/04/jack-don ... right.html

And here's his book I stumbled on before that exploits that "Germanic" Conan the Barbarian-esque art style that high testosterone white guys like me instantly like on sight.... but then apparently contains his schilling for recruiting MGTOW to globohomo?
Of course, if I got that wrong and he's not actually hating on women and trying to convert frustrated straight MGTOW into being a bunch of damned buttboys, I take back my harsh words I guess, LOL. Go ahead and worship masculinity as a religious cult if you want guys, LOL.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/295 ... -barbarian