Beauty Is Rare And Not Relative

[rehman]

Where do you guys draw the lines on standards?

It's funny how a universal truth like lookism/genetic determinism is so easily ignored in attempts to cope with ones lack of genetic quality.

This post which is 13 fuckn years old hits the nail on the head. This forum irom what I can tell is full of average/below average looking men who delude themselves and others into believing that women outside their country are somehow immune to judging men as the women in the western world do. All women are the same.

The more egalitarian/feminist a society becomes, the more transparent a woman becomes with her choice in men. Women in the west don't need a man to depend on financially, this means less leverage for men. If not resources, what do women look for? LOOKS. It has always been about looks. Your looks show other people your genetic quality. This is how we judge people, we are all guilty of this.

Travelling to East Asia, Eastern Europe, South America etc will not rid you of your ugly face or your short stature, Being white may help you if you are in some Asian or South American countries but you will have to adjust to a whole new culture. Don't become a walking ATM. No woman will truly love you if you have lost the game of genetics, a game none of us wanted to play. At best, an ugly man's fate will be being a beta bux, a financial provider to his wife who would leave him in a heartbeat. This is the fate of men.

[Winston]

Where do you guys draw the lines on standards?

It's funny how a universal truth like lookism/genetic determinism is so easily ignored in attempts to cope with ones lack of genetic quality.

This post which is 13 fuckn years old hits the nail on the head. This forum irom what I can tell is full of average/below average looking men who delude themselves and others into believing that women outside their country are somehow immune to judging men as the women in the western world do. All women are the same.

The more egalitarian/feminist a society becomes, the more transparent a woman becomes with her choice in men. Women in the west don't need a man to depend on financially, this means less leverage for men. If not resources, what do women look for? LOOKS. It has always been about looks. Your looks show other people your genetic quality. This is how we judge people, we are all guilty of this.

Travelling to East Asia, Eastern Europe, South America etc will not rid you of your ugly face or your short stature, Being white may help you if you are in some Asian or South American countries but you will have to adjust to a whole new culture. Don't become a walking ATM. No woman will truly love you if you have lost the game of genetics, a game none of us wanted to play. At best, an ugly man's fate will be being a beta bux, a financial provider to his wife who would leave him in a heartbeat. This is the fate of men.

You're thinking in black and white and with linear logic. Relationships don't work that way. I explained this countless times. Attraction may be based on looks but relationships based on looks and money never last for more than a few days or few weeks. Ask your parents if they got married because of looks or money or power or personality. No of course not. They got married because it felt right. It was destined. The universe and their higher self and the hidden order of things paired them up due to their shared karma or their plan by their higher selves to get together. Any stable married couple will tell you that. Relationships don't last beyond a few weeks unless there's some connection or resonance. This is very intangible and cannot be explained by looks or money or status or some simple formula like that.

The thing is, guys who talk like you have never had a true connection with a woman or real relationship. If you did, you would know what I mean. There is a connection that holds long term couples together that is beyond words and basically metaphysical and does not fit into formulas or marketplace theories like economics. In Asia, most men are ugly yet they find love and you will see ugly men and older men with younger women everywhere you go in Asia. Go there and see.

The reason women in the US don't need men isn't because of money. They are brainwashed and programmed to be anti-men and anti-feminine and to view men as competitors, and there is an engineered battle of the sexes in western countries that non-western countries do not have. The moral and cultural decline of America is responsible for this too, not just economics. You aren't seeing the big picture. Think about this. How come in the 1950s, 60s, and 70s when America was prosperous and women had money, they still needed men and love and relationships? Because social culture and relationships were more normal during those eras. Men and women needed each other and followed nature. They were not programmed to be lonely and not need each other. Something in the food and water of America could have altered the DNA of Americans too, or the Satanic energy field of America could have too, because America is the hub center headquarters of Satanism. So there are spiritual and psychic forces at work too.

If you look at 1950s America you will see what I mean. The country was prosperous and prices were low, and there were good family values and moral values. Women were feminine and wanted to find a good man. Every good decent man could find a woman, even if he wasn't good looking. There was no battle of the sexes. Men and women tried to be a team, not competitors. Women tried to be good wives and find good husbands. This was the way things were meant to be. The elites changed all that and socially engineered what we have today. Didn't you know that? Every aware person knows this by now. If you don't, then you haven't done your research.

This isn't about economics, it's about moral, cultural, and spiritual degradation, and negative programming and negative social engineering which resulted in the fake and toxic "battle of the sexes" which didn't exist before the 1990s and doesn't exist today in non-western countries. Ask yourself why. So you see, there is a lot going on here, it's not about money only. Money is just a tool of enslavement.

I've explained all this many times. I can't believe there are still guys like you who think everything can be explained in simple terms like that. No way. Reality is very nuanced and contains a lot of intangible factors too. Social engineering and cultural degradation are the key factors here.

[Shemp]

...it's about moral, cultural, and spiritual degradation, and negative programming and negative social engineering which resulted in the fake and toxic "battle of the sexes" which didn't exist before the 1990s and doesn't exist today in non-western countries.

The programming is spreading everywhere, and @rehman's thinking is yet another manifestation of the programming: he thinks this linear black-white way because he was programmed to think this way. Genetics determines how our body looks and how big our brain is but genetics doesn't determine thinking of our brain, and that thinking includes our preferences for looks in mates. People like rehman want to avoid questioning their thinking by saying thinking can't be changed because it is genetic.

Ask yourself why.

Good luck with finding an answer if you do ask. Cultures go in cycles. Western culture somehow went off track and is taking much of the rest of the world down with it. But the illness will eventually run its course (assuming we don't blow ourselves up in nuclear war or get hit by an asteroid first).

[vlkmo]

Where do you guys draw the lines on standards?

It's funny how a universal truth like lookism/genetic determinism is so easily ignored in attempts to cope with ones lack of genetic quality.

This post which is 13 fuckn years old hits the nail on the head. This forum irom what I can tell is full of average/below average looking men who delude themselves and others into believing that women outside their country are somehow immune to judging men as the women in the western world do. All women are the same.

The more egalitarian/feminist a society becomes, the more transparent a woman becomes with her choice in men. Women in the west don't need a man to depend on financially, this means less leverage for men. If not resources, what do women look for? LOOKS. It has always been about looks. Your looks show other people your genetic quality. This is how we judge people, we are all guilty of this.

Travelling to East Asia, Eastern Europe, South America etc will not rid you of your ugly face or your short stature, Being white may help you if you are in some Asian or South American countries but you will have to adjust to a whole new culture. Don't become a walking ATM. No woman will truly love you if you have lost the game of genetics, a game none of us wanted to play. At best, an ugly man's fate will be being a beta bux, a financial provider to his wife who would leave him in a heartbeat. This is the fate of men.

I have wondered if we men can truly love women too. I think both genders have an imperfect concept of love.

[rehman]

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I have wondered if we men can truly love women too. I think both genders have an imperfect concept of love.
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I used to think that was the case but let me just say this. I've worked in multiple construction sites and have seen immigrants coming from third world countries that are working their asses off and sleeping on mattresses on site just so they can feed their wife and kids... would a woman ever do that? never in a million fuckn years, she'd never even do that for herself LOL.

We just accept this fact and move on. Men have always been the romantic gender, we have always been the more empathetic one despite whatever society says. A woman's idea of romance is about what she can get FROM HIM, a man's idea of romance is about what he can do FOR HER.

[rehman]

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You're thinking in black and white and with linear logic. Relationships don't work that way. I explained this countless times. Attraction may be based on looks but relationships based on looks and money never last for more than a few days or few weeks. Ask your parents if they got married because of looks or money or power or personality. No of course not. They got married because it felt right. It was destined. The universe and their higher self and the hidden order of things paired them up due to their shared karma or their plan by their higher selves to get together. Any stable married couple will tell you that. Relationships don't last beyond a few weeks unless there's some connection or resonance. This is very intangible and cannot be explained by looks or money or status or some simple formula like that.

The thing is, guys who talk like you have never had a true connection with a woman or real relationship. If you did, you would know what I mean. There is a connection that holds long term couples together that is beyond words and basically metaphysical and does not fit into formulas or marketplace theories like economics. In Asia, most men are ugly yet they find love and you will see ugly men and older men with younger women everywhere you go in Asia. Go there and see.

The reason women in the US don't need men isn't because of money. They are brainwashed and programmed to be anti-men and anti-feminine and to view men as competitors, and there is an engineered battle of the sexes in western countries that non-western countries do not have. The moral and cultural decline of America is responsible for this too, not just economics. You aren't seeing the big picture. Think about this. How come in the 1950s, 60s, and 70s when America was prosperous and women had money, they still needed men and love and relationships? Because social culture and relationships were more normal during those eras. Men and women needed each other and followed nature. They were not programmed to be lonely and not need each other. Something in the food and water of America could have altered the DNA of Americans too, or the Satanic energy field of America could have too, because America is the hub center headquarters of Satanism. So there are spiritual and psychic forces at work too.

If you look at 1950s America you will see what I mean. The country was prosperous and prices were low, and there were good family values and moral values. Women were feminine and wanted to find a good man. Every good decent man could find a woman, even if he wasn't good looking. There was no battle of the sexes. Men and women tried to be a team, not competitors. Women tried to be good wives and find good husbands. This was the way things were meant to be. The elites changed all that and socially engineered what we have today. Didn't you know that? Every aware person knows this by now. If you don't, then you haven't done your research.

This isn't about economics, it's about moral, cultural, and spiritual degradation, and negative programming and negative social engineering which resulted in the fake and toxic "battle of the sexes" which didn't exist before the 1990s and doesn't exist today in non-western countries. Ask yourself why. So you see, there is a lot going on here, it's not about money only. Money is just a tool of enslavement.

I've explained all this many times. I can't believe there are still guys like you who think everything can be explained in simple terms like that. No way. Reality is very nuanced and contains a lot of intangible factors too. Social engineering and cultural degradation are the key factors here.
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@Winston
We are not much different to animals in the sense that we search for quality genetics, people find this a tough pill to swallow because we can't change our genetic makeup.

[rehman]

Where do you guys draw the lines on standards?

It's funny how a universal truth like lookism/genetic determinism is so easily ignored in attempts to cope with ones lack of genetic quality.

This post which is 13 fuckn years old hits the nail on the head. This forum irom what I can tell is full of average/below average looking men who delude themselves and others into believing that women outside their country are somehow immune to judging men as the women in the western world do. All women are the same.

The more egalitarian/feminist a society becomes, the more transparent a woman becomes with her choice in men. Women in the west don't need a man to depend on financially, this means less leverage for men. If not resources, what do women look for? LOOKS. It has always been about looks. Your looks show other people your genetic quality. This is how we judge people, we are all guilty of this.

Travelling to East Asia, Eastern Europe, South America etc will not rid you of your ugly face or your short stature, Being white may help you if you are in some Asian or South American countries but you will have to adjust to a whole new culture. Don't become a walking ATM. No woman will truly love you if you have lost the game of genetics, a game none of us wanted to play. At best, an ugly man's fate will be being a beta bux, a financial provider to his wife who would leave him in a heartbeat. This is the fate of men.

You're thinking in black and white and with linear logic. Relationships don't work that way. I explained this countless times. Attraction may be based on looks but relationships based on looks and money never last for more than a few days or few weeks. Ask your parents if they got married because of looks or money or power or personality. No of course not. They got married because it felt right. It was destined. The universe and their higher self and the hidden order of things paired them up due to their shared karma or their plan by their higher selves to get together. Any stable married couple will tell you that. Relationships don't last beyond a few weeks unless there's some connection or resonance. This is very intangible and cannot be explained by looks or money or status or some simple formula like that.

The thing is, guys who talk like you have never had a true connection with a woman or real relationship. If you did, you would know what I mean. There is a connection that holds long term couples together that is beyond words and basically metaphysical and does not fit into formulas or marketplace theories like economics. In Asia, most men are ugly yet they find love and you will see ugly men and older men with younger women everywhere you go in Asia. Go there and see.

The reason women in the US don't need men isn't because of money. They are brainwashed and programmed to be anti-men and anti-feminine and to view men as competitors, and there is an engineered battle of the sexes in western countries that non-western countries do not have. The moral and cultural decline of America is responsible for this too, not just economics. You aren't seeing the big picture. Think about this. How come in the 1950s, 60s, and 70s when America was prosperous and women had money, they still needed men and love and relationships? Because social culture and relationships were more normal during those eras. Men and women needed each other and followed nature. They were not programmed to be lonely and not need each other. Something in the food and water of America could have altered the DNA of Americans too, or the Satanic energy field of America could have too, because America is the hub center headquarters of Satanism. So there are spiritual and psychic forces at work too.

If you look at 1950s America you will see what I mean. The country was prosperous and prices were low, and there were good family values and moral values. Women were feminine and wanted to find a good man. Every good decent man could find a woman, even if he wasn't good looking. There was no battle of the sexes. Men and women tried to be a team, not competitors. Women tried to be good wives and find good husbands. This was the way things were meant to be. The elites changed all that and socially engineered what we have today. Didn't you know that? Every aware person knows this by now. If you don't, then you haven't done your research.

This isn't about economics, it's about moral, cultural, and spiritual degradation, and negative programming and negative social engineering which resulted in the fake and toxic "battle of the sexes" which didn't exist before the 1990s and doesn't exist today in non-western countries. Ask yourself why. So you see, there is a lot going on here, it's not about money only. Money is just a tool of enslavement.

I've explained all this many times. I can't believe there are still guys like you who think everything can be explained in simple terms like that. No way. Reality is very nuanced and contains a lot of intangible factors too. Social engineering and cultural degradation are the key factors here.

You mentioned the 50s where women worked much less and men had more financial leverage (something I already mentioned in an earlier post), no shit it was easier. Social media/dating apps also didn't exist then, the reason why marriage looked like a better deal back then was due to the fact that you were competing with less men and it was easier to gain financial leverage as a man.

Back then, you were only competing with the men she knew in person, just the guys in her town for example. Now, you are almost competing on a global scale thanks to dating apps. Statistics also show that men's sexual activity significantly declined at the same time Tinder and other dating apps were introduced. Technology has allowed women to practise hypergamy on a global scale.

"In Asia, most men are ugly yet they find love and you will see ugly men and older men with younger women everywhere you go in Asia. Go there and see."

I don't understand for the life of me why you guys fail to recognise simple supply and demand. Winston, why do you see more Toyotas than Ferraris on the street? does this mean that most people prefer Toyotas? No, it's because most people can't afford Toyotas. Men in redpill spaces think that just because a woman would settle for an average man, that means women's standards are reasonable and anyone can find love. Women get with those ugly men because they have no choice. A tall handsome man can easily steal most men's girlfriends. What you desire and what you settle with are two different things. You are going be Mr plan Z no matter what.

[kangarunner]

In Asia, most men are ugly yet they find love and you will see ugly men and older men with younger women everywhere you go in Asia. Go there and see.

LOL....

@Winston When are you coming over to see me and the other guys here in VN?

[hb2345]

This isn't about economics, it's about moral, cultural, and spiritual degradation, and negative programming and negative social engineering which resulted in the fake and toxic "battle of the sexes" which didn't exist before the 1990s and doesn't exist today in non-western countries. Ask yourself why. So you see, there is a lot going on here, it's not about money only. Money is just a tool of enslavement.

Says the guy who dedicated his entire existence to fu cking cheap whores in third world shit holes.

AHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! OMG!!! This is just too much, folks! I just can't with this clown! ))))

[rehman]

This isn't about economics, it's about moral, cultural, and spiritual degradation, and negative programming and negative social engineering which resulted in the fake and toxic "battle of the sexes" which didn't exist before the 1990s and doesn't exist today in non-western countries. Ask yourself why. So you see, there is a lot going on here, it's not about money only. Money is just a tool of enslavement.

Says the guy who dedicated his entire existence to fu cking cheap whores in third world shit holes.

AHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! OMG!!! This is just too much, folks! I just can't with this clown! ))))

LOL

[MrMan]

Where do you guys draw the lines on standards?

It's funny how a universal truth like lookism/genetic determinism is so easily ignored in attempts to cope with ones lack of genetic quality.

This post which is 13 fuckn years old hits the nail on the head. This forum irom what I can tell is full of average/below average looking men who delude themselves and others into believing that women outside their country are somehow immune to judging men as the women in the western world do. All women are the same.

The more egalitarian/feminist a society becomes, the more transparent a woman becomes with her choice in men. Women in the west don't need a man to depend on financially, this means less leverage for men. If not resources, what do women look for? LOOKS. It has always been about looks. Your looks show other people your genetic quality. This is how we judge people, we are all guilty of this.

Travelling to East Asia, Eastern Europe, South America etc will not rid you of your ugly face or your short stature, Being white may help you if you are in some Asian or South American countries but you will have to adjust to a whole new culture. Don't become a walking ATM. No woman will truly love you if you have lost the game of genetics, a game none of us wanted to play. At best, an ugly man's fate will be being a beta bux, a financial provider to his wife who would leave him in a heartbeat. This is the fate of men.

Let me guess. You get your pessimistic outlook on looks and relationships from reading or listening to online material either from Incel or MGTOW perspectives, right?

It's not true, either. The US and some other countries have high divorce rates, but some of us have known good-looking women who stayed with husbands who were old, fat, short, or whatever. Women can also respect men who have accomplished a lot-- the accomplished author, salesman, scholar, athlete, even if he isn't good-looking. There is also masculinity. A muscular man with resolve, who is a leader of men, may not be very good-looking in the face might attract women due his masculinity. If a man put son a uniform, some women like that. I overheard a girl in high school saying a man who was sweaty and dirty in a white t-shirt and a pair of genes could look hot. There might have to be some baseline level of looking attractive.

Us men are attracted to different looks on women, too. I think Jennifer Lawrence is a 7+, better than average, but she has a pair-shaped face. I remember saying she's not that good-looking and guys on here said she was hot. Cindy Crawford, back in the 1980s and 90s was considered the top supermodel. But something about her wasn't attractive to me-- that masculine brow. The same thing with Christie Allie from Cheers. I think some guys thought Drew Berrymore was pretty. My brother-in-law (an Indonesian) saw her in a movie we were watching and he said she was so pretty. I didn't care for the Roman nose. I mentioned her looks to an American friend of mine. He said she's a 6. Yeah, probably, when she was young. I remember riding with an Indonesian driver through a toll. The girl on the other side of the toll was a bit stout and kind of plain from my perspective. The driver said to the other guy in the car how cute the girl was. She looked like a 5 to me.

I can remember this really dark cashier who was really beautiful in Indonesia before I could speak the language. I'd think she was an 8.5 or 9 for looks, but since she was dark, locals probably thought she was a 5. And there are Asian woman I think are beautiful, and another poster on this forum who doesn't like Asian girls would say she's a two. I am not generally attracted to subsaharan African features. I might be attracted to an Ethiopian or Sudanese model, but I remember from the time I was a child hearing two black men on TV talking about how some girl was good-looking, and I just didn't see it. But some guys on here like African women's looks. But I probably find a lot more bi-racial women pretty than I did when I was younger. I think my perception changed over time.

For Hollywood actresses, I think a young Audrey Hepburn was one of the prettiest Hollywood actresses. I think most men, or most white men would agree, but some men would consider her too boney.

A friend of mine was telling me about an article from Psychology Today that said people tend to be attracted to women like their mothers. He was talking about a colleague who he perceived was probably attractive to a kind of pudgy plain (IMO) medium-dark skinned employee of his. He figured the guys mom was fat. You could show him pictures and he might say the model-looking woman is prettier, but then a guy like this might go marry a fat woman like his mamma.

It probably works for women, too.

So cheer up. Go find the daughter of an ugly fat man and an ugly fat women, whose genes mixed just right to make a pretty daughter. Then she can see you, and maybe she will be attracted to you.

[vlkmo]

@MrMan I feel like if the MGTOW or Incel stuff didn't have any truth in it, they wouldn't be so many in membership and they wouldn't be saying it is becoming a normal thing.

[my life is trash]

@MrMan I feel like if the MGTOW or Incel stuff didn't have any truth in it, they wouldn't be so many in membership and they wouldn't be saying it is becoming a normal thing.

They don't realize what a nightmare dating is for younger generations of men. They can't comprehend the sheer level of hypergamy that has formed. If they were amongst our age group they'd likely be incels too.

[vlkmo]

They don't realize what a nightmare dating is for younger generations of men. They can't comprehend the sheer level of hypergamy that has formed. If they were amongst our age group they'd likely be incels too.

I believe somebody should make a creative solution to help the incel issue like something that artificially raises the average value of men or that brings the average woman down a peg. That's just an example. I think it will have to come from somewhere that was never tried before or is novel because completely changing back the clock on sexual norms and gender roles is completely unpalatable.

[rehman]

Where do you guys draw the lines on standards?

It's funny how a universal truth like lookism/genetic determinism is so easily ignored in attempts to cope with ones lack of genetic quality.

This post which is 13 fuckn years old hits the nail on the head. This forum irom what I can tell is full of average/below average looking men who delude themselves and others into believing that women outside their country are somehow immune to judging men as the women in the western world do. All women are the same.

The more egalitarian/feminist a society becomes, the more transparent a woman becomes with her choice in men. Women in the west don't need a man to depend on financially, this means less leverage for men. If not resources, what do women look for? LOOKS. It has always been about looks. Your looks show other people your genetic quality. This is how we judge people, we are all guilty of this.

Travelling to East Asia, Eastern Europe, South America etc will not rid you of your ugly face or your short stature, Being white may help you if you are in some Asian or South American countries but you will have to adjust to a whole new culture. Don't become a walking ATM. No woman will truly love you if you have lost the game of genetics, a game none of us wanted to play. At best, an ugly man's fate will be being a beta bux, a financial provider to his wife who would leave him in a heartbeat. This is the fate of men.

Let me guess. You get your pessimistic outlook on looks and relationships from reading or listening to online material either from Incel or MGTOW perspectives, right?

It's not true, either. The US and some other countries have high divorce rates, but some of us have known good-looking women who stayed with husbands who were old, fat, short, or whatever. Women can also respect men who have accomplished a lot-- the accomplished author, salesman, scholar, athlete, even if he isn't good-looking. There is also masculinity. A muscular man with resolve, who is a leader of men, may not be very good-looking in the face might attract women due his masculinity. If a man put son a uniform, some women like that. I overheard a girl in high school saying a man who was sweaty and dirty in a white t-shirt and a pair of genes could look hot. There might have to be some baseline level of looking attractive.

Us men are attracted to different looks on women, too. I think Jennifer Lawrence is a 7+, better than average, but she has a pair-shaped face. I remember saying she's not that good-looking and guys on here said she was hot. Cindy Crawford, back in the 1980s and 90s was considered the top supermodel. But something about her wasn't attractive to me-- that masculine brow. The same thing with Christie Allie from Cheers. I think some guys thought Drew Berrymore was pretty. My brother-in-law (an Indonesian) saw her in a movie we were watching and he said she was so pretty. I didn't care for the Roman nose. I mentioned her looks to an American friend of mine. He said she's a 6. Yeah, probably, when she was young. I remember riding with an Indonesian driver through a toll. The girl on the other side of the toll was a bit stout and kind of plain from my perspective. The driver said to the other guy in the car how cute the girl was. She looked like a 5 to me.

I can remember this really dark cashier who was really beautiful in Indonesia before I could speak the language. I'd think she was an 8.5 or 9 for looks, but since she was dark, locals probably thought she was a 5. And there are Asian woman I think are beautiful, and another poster on this forum who doesn't like Asian girls would say she's a two. I am not generally attracted to subsaharan African features. I might be attracted to an Ethiopian or Sudanese model, but I remember from the time I was a child hearing two black men on TV talking about how some girl was good-looking, and I just didn't see it. But some guys on here like African women's looks. But I probably find a lot more bi-racial women pretty than I did when I was younger. I think my perception changed over time.

For Hollywood actresses, I think a young Audrey Hepburn was one of the prettiest Hollywood actresses. I think most men, or most white men would agree, but some men would consider her too boney.

A friend of mine was telling me about an article from Psychology Today that said people tend to be attracted to women like their mothers. He was talking about a colleague who he perceived was probably attractive to a kind of pudgy plain (IMO) medium-dark skinned employee of his. He figured the guys mom was fat. You could show him pictures and he might say the model-looking woman is prettier, but then a guy like this might go marry a fat woman like his mamma.

It probably works for women, too.

So cheer up. Go find the daughter of an ugly fat man and an ugly fat women, whose genes mixed just right to make a pretty daughter. Then she can see you, and maybe she will be attracted to you.

I don't even know if I should entertain this insanely massive cope reply. In the animal kingdom, we see animals select for good genetics all the time, humans aren't so different. You have ignored science to cope with the fact that your fate isn't in your hands.

I also find it hilarious that you people say I would rather think this way... I wish this WASN'T the case. I wish the blackpill was NOT true, I am someone who is more concerned with the truth, nothing more. Cope all you want with "masculinity", you will be shocked at how many women are choosing more feminine men now.

Your idea that looks are subjective were from examples from a MAN'S perspective, we are talking about what women find attractive, this whole forum is about women for f**k sake.. why the f**k are you talking about what men find attractive? dude, are you hearing yourself?