WilliamSmith wrote: ↑May 22nd, 2022, 8:15 pm
What, you've been to prostitutes' a lot?!?!
LOL, @Outcast9428 you are certainly a unique individual whose thoughts I'm glad to read on this one-of-a-kind forum.
Outcast9428 wrote: ↑May 22nd, 2022, 1:09 pm
There are certainly some very nice escorts out there. I’m not saying they’re cold hearted or that there’s no benefit to the experience. But the simple fact is that if you are paying her an hourly rate you will not get anywhere near as much time as you would with a girlfriend. You can save up enough to have three sessions with her but there’s no way you can afford three overnight sessions per week unless you are very rich.
I’ve been to prostitutes plenty in my life. Nice girls and all but people trying to argue that it’s financially more affordable then having a girlfriend are not being honest with themselves.
I also agree there's nice girls out there who work in the sex industry. I'm of Scottish heritage and not a believer in spending much $$$ on women since romancing them and getting them in bed is what they want us to do, not spend $$$ on them. (And personally I'd never even dream of actually paying a woman for sex, why on earth would pay the same beautiful creatures who shell out $$$ for tens of thousands of bodice-ripper romance novels for sex?! Obviously that's what they already want.
Well, @Lucas88 said he did so just because he was horny and then ended up being invited back for more free action since the escort liked him, which is awesome, but I personally wouldn't ever pay for it even if it ended up being "half price," LOL.)
I also agree with you Outcast9428 about how extreme porno should be outlawed and how any sex industry (including "escorts") needs to be very tightly regulated to eliminate pimping or other gross exploitation that ends up treating women in the sex industries like livestock. (That's the actual more important reason I'd personally never pay for it, I'm always worried women really don't want to be working in the sex industry even if they claim they do.)
However, if you've been to prostitutes, why on earth did you claim elsewhere that learning to pick up women is supposedly "degenerate?" It must come down to your own definition of what you think the term "PUA" means and what you associated it with?
Well even though I don't care for either of the terms "PUA" or "seduction," when I talk about "PUA" this is what I mean (link to clips of Connery's James Bond showing how it's done
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1. Part of it is because PUA and hookup culture are more threatening to long term relationships then prostitution is. I used to be more liberal because I thought that hookup culture and more long term relationships could co-exist. Going to college taught me that they can't. If you have a hookup culture it is going to drown out love based, long term relationships. To me, I consider PUA to just be "learn how to sleep around" and I don't think that's a skill worth obtaining. Hookup culture defines itself in opposition to long term relationships and positions itself as an alternative to it. Hookup culture has displaced basically every method of finding a long term relationship. Nightclubs, bars, dating apps, and teenage parties are all dominated by casual sex seekers to the point where people searching for long term relationships essentially have nowhere to go to find that. In countries that have a lot of prostitution on the other hand, it doesn't seem to threaten long term relationships. Prostitution is much more capable of existing in its own universe essentially and leaving long term relationships alone.
2. PUA and hookup culture directly encourage avoidant attachment styles on the part of both men and women. Hookup culture creates an atmosphere of "whoever cares the least wins." Hookup culture is directly related to the increasing number of people who think its basically lame to make love the most important thing in your life or to honestly make your romantic partner your number 1 priority in life. Hookup culture attacks "neediness" and in doing so shames people for having emotional needs. Hookup culture also created the idea that being "dependent" on somebody is a bad thing. I actually think co-dependency creates a stronger bond between people. All of the strongest bonds formed between people in non-romantic situations involve dependency of some kind. Children are dependent on parents. The strongest friendships form out of need. Bonds forged between men at war result from being dependent on one another for survival. Why would romantic relationships work any differently? Why is it suddenly romantic relationships that we glorify independence?
I used to watch PUA videos, and the thing I always hated most about them was this advocation of avoidant attachment styles. I saw how my parents were growing up. My dad never withheld his affection from my mother. He would be, in the eyes of many people today, a simp who excessively lavishes affection on her. He is constantly telling her how cute she is, how much he loves her, she is definitely the number 1 priority in his life and he wants nothing more then to make her happy. Many people would call that being a simp these days, but my parents have the strongest relationship I've ever seen. Its the kind of relationship I want to have some day. I do not want to feel like I have to pretend for the rest of my life that my career or something else is more important to me then my wife. I especially don't want to have to pretend that is the case to my own wife. I realized that PUA advice may work, but it would create an awful society is we all followed it. We need to demand better then that. Instead of learning to play by the rules of the game we need to rewrite them and go back to the old rules where it was perfectly fine to be expressive and passionate about your love for your girl.
Prostitution doesn't really encourage avoidant attachment styles. As some people here mentioned, GFE is by far the most popular service among prostitutes. I was always very affectionate with the girls I met, and I was very encouraged at how well received it was the vast majority of the time. When you actually visit prostitutes you realize how boring mechanical, casual sex really is and you discover that a mental/spiritual connection and affection really is the key ingredient to any successful sexual relationship.
3. Hookup culture has strong ties to rampant levels of sexual assault and harassment. Hookup culture intentionally glorifies sexual situations where consent is ambiguous and this leads to varying levels of sexual assault. Consider the way that people grind in nightclubs for example. A lot of guys just walk up behind random girls and start grinding them. This is because a big part of hookup culture is essentially guys' competing to sleep with as many girls as possible and a big part of achieving that objective tends to be coercion. Prostitution on the other hand completely eliminates the ambiguity in the situation and makes it 100% clear whether sex is okay or not. There's no blurred lines or grey area at all.
4. I feel like legal prostitution protects against homewrecking on the part of single males. Another part of why I don't like hookup culture is that it encourages men to hit on every girl who just happens to be walking around. This combined with what I mentioned about hookup culture tying into sexual assault and harassment can make for a nasty combination. Men doing this could very well be going after a girl who has a boyfriend or husband. I have heard of many cases where girls told a guy hitting on them out in public that she has a boyfriend and the guy insisting on trying to touch her or kiss her. Saying things like "he'll never know" or "you're lying." With legal prostitution, however, this sort of behavior would be less prevalent because men will just go to a brothel instead.
As far as my personal experience with prostitutes goes. I have lost interest in it more and more as time goes on. It was more appealing to me when I was very sexually inexperienced. Most of my experience with prostitutes was when I was 19 and 20 years old. The more I went though the more I realized that GFEs always left me wanting more. It was like watching clips of a movie over and over again but never actually watching the entire movie. I was getting a snippet of what's its like to have a girlfriend but not actually having one. I also realized when I went that I was naturally monogamous. I did not find myself wanting to try out different prostitutes. I always liked finding a girl I had a connection with and going back to the same girl every time. If I went to a prostitute and we had no connection, it was extremely obvious and I quickly realized that going to girls I did have a connection with was much more satisfying.
At first I chalked it up to personal preference. But then I saw how much damage hookup culture and non-monogamous behavior was doing to society and over the years I've grown more and more morally revolted by it. It angers me when I think of all the people out there who are painfully lonely, desperately looking for something real but can't find it because our culture has encouraged loveless sex, manipulative behaviors, and avoidant attachment styles so much. 20-25% of the population now will never marry. It used to only be 5%-10% For some reason that doesn't seem to bother people nearly as much as it should. The most joyous tradition that Christian civilization ever created is falling apart in-front of our very eyes because people would rather be selfish then learn how to love another human being. I become angry when guys walk up to my girlfriend and sexually assault her because they feel like every girl walking around in public should be sexually available to them. My girl is more precious to me then diamonds or gold ever could be. Contrary to what a lot of people seem to think, no, she cannot be replaced. Because nobody in the world is like her. To him she's just another girl but to me she's special. She is my other half and I have invested in her happiness, her goals and dreams. I have gotten to know her in a way that's as deep as you'd understand a member of your own family. And it infuriates me that some guys seem to think that its okay for them to try and destroy the bond I've built with her all so they can stick their dick in a hole and brag about adding another number to their body count.
