Are Prostitutes Better Than Normal Women?

[Pixel--Dude]

@Outcast9428

"I swear liberals have the stupidest perspective on sex. They literally cannot comprehend that disapproving of promiscuity is not the same thing as being anti-sex. I am completely in favor of having sex every day, or multiple times a day, within a committed, love based relationship where you at least intend to get married. Mr Man is a little more strict then I am in that he disapproves of all premarital sex. I respect the sentiment but I personally still think as long as you're in love it is pretty much okay. I do not approve, however, of sleeping around without romantic commitments."

This is what i don't understand, what authority does the Church have over love and morality? Why does it matter if someone wants to sleep around so long as it is all consensual and nobody is getting hurt? Why do Christians see natural desires as immoral? A prostitute isn't immoral. The society she lives in is. And that is what necessitates their existence in the first place. Some people don't want romantic commitments and enjoy their own personal freedom more than commit themselves to a relationship, I don't think that makes them immoral at all.


"Both you and the other poster underestimate how much of a difference passion makes in your sex life. Traditional lifestyles spark a unique kind of passion between a man and a woman. When a woman is at home all day and her husband is out winning the bread, she thinks about him while he's gone and when he comes back she is bursting with sexual tension. Y'all don't understand this though because you're too busy whining about your freedom, about having to work, or be romantic. Stop whining about whether your woman expects you to work or not and learn to embrace your role as her caretaker. If she has no work to do outside of the home, her full time job is you. But the problem is too many guys don't appreciate it when a girl gives him her full attention."

This sounds like something from Stepford wives. I do not know a single person who describes married life like this. Where I do agree that passion enriches a relationship and a sex life, and prostitute liasons lack that dynamic, I disagree that the traditional lifestyle you've described here is conducive to human happiness. I don't want to be a work horse for some materialistic wife who uses sex as a commodity, I'm not overly romantic I find a lot of these romantic gestures portrayed in movies as disingenuous and a little bit cringe. I like space. I like to walk side by side without having to hold hands constantly, I like to be an individual. That doesn't mean I don't appreciate my partner (when I have one) but I shouldn't have to pretend to be someone I'm not to suit her romantic idealism. I don't believe in marriage, or that it changes anything really aside from the bank balance. The traditional marriage lifestyle seems more like a trap to me than a healthy way to live. Freedom is important in life. If you are happy to live this lifestyle and it works for you then power to you, just don't judge others for doing what is best for them based off a book written by a bunch of incels back in the day.


"A big part of it is choosing the right woman. You have to choose a woman who is very passionate about love and romance. Any girl who is very romantic is going to have a very high sex drive, but the good thing is that you'll get a high sex drive + loyalty and commitment."

I actually had a polish girlfriend recently who fits this description perfectly. She was very affectionate and everything you described here. I did enjoy it, but the introvert in me still craved that independence. It wasn't that I didn't care about her, I did. I just found that kind of constant romantic idealism a little bit overbearing. I have only ever had relationships with English women before this, and all of them were garbage. I made an effort to keep her happy, we went on dates and things like that. We liked walking along the coast and going to GoApe, which was fun. She knew I wasn't the lovey dovey affectionate type and sometimes it hurt her, but she knew I cared about her in my own way. I was happy for her to have her place and me to have mine.

[Pixel--Dude]

@MrMan

"God is just. He also created us and justly has power over life and death. "

I wholeheartedly disagree.


"The idea of defiling yourself by sleeping with a woman who has defiled herself by sleeping with hundreds of other men may not resonate with you. You may not even be grossed out if she's had sex with ten men right before having sex with you. But think about children conceived by prostitutes. if she gets pregnant, she either kills the child, or the child is raised without his father. If you do a little research, you will find that children raised without a father in the home are more likely to become juvenile delinquents, to have trouble with the law, to have low grades, to get pregnant out of wedlock, etc. Sleeping with random women who don't charge you money--- the free prostitute (zero dollar, zero pound prostitutes) has the same problem. There are also diseases that are spread this way. So it is an ethical issue."

This is rubbish. I have never seen sleeping with anyone as "defiling myself" a prostitute is still a human being ffs. She's providing a service and if she's any good she will use protection and have regular health checks. Same as anyone should. The whole thing with disease is a roll.of the dice anyway regardless of who you sleep with. Say we have a prostitute who sleeps with 10 incels in a day, and compare her with some dude's wife who slept with 1 guy in her whole life before meeting her husband, but her ex partner had a disease. Which woman is "dirty" or "immoral"? Catching something like an STD does not deminish someone's value as a human being. They just got unlucky. Diseases happen. It's life. Get the hell over it.



"I'm sorry to hear about your friend, but how do you know that living in a Puritans had anything to do with it. Did his wife contribute to his mental illness? Single 'incels' who were not married have killed themselves and others."

No, you misunderstood me. He didn't kill himself because of puritanism. He also didn't kill himself because of his wife. (Even though some of his family use her as a scapegoat.) I'm actually still on very good terms with his widow and consider her a good friend. As far as I knew they loved each other. (He was a very kind and loving guy) but that doesn't mean they didn't have their ups and downs. To be honest nobody knows why he killed himself. I suspect it was because of society and how artificial and fake everything is, including people. He complained about this kind of thing a lot. I mentioned puritanism because I see that as something life denying. Let people be free and follow their hearts desire.


"Hypocrisy? What hypocrisy? I believe sex outside of marriage is wrong. My having a lot of sex, especially as a newly weds, within the bonds of marriage is not hypocrisy? What double standard?"

Sex outside of marriage is wrong? Why? Marriage is bullshit. It doesn't change anything within the relationship. Marriage is a fictional construct created by man (most likely the church who financially benefit from the tradition) it is an abstraction. Nothing but bullshit. I called you a hypocrite because I don't recognise the authority of the church or how a wedding makes the act of sex moral. You could bang your wife 30 times a day (power to you lol) and that is righteous and good because you are married. I could hook up with a girl who I find attractive and who finds me attractive just for a night. I'm the one who is immoral because we weren't married? Sex is sex

[Outcast9428]

@Pixel--Dude I already pointed out a lot of reasons why promiscuity and hookup culture is toxic in the following paragraphs written earlier...

1. Part of it is because PUA and hookup culture are more threatening to long term relationships then prostitution is. I used to be more liberal because I thought that hookup culture and more long term relationships could co-exist. Going to college taught me that they can't. If you have a hookup culture it is going to drown out love based, long term relationships. To me, I consider PUA to just be "learn how to sleep around" and I don't think that's a skill worth obtaining. Hookup culture defines itself in opposition to long term relationships and positions itself as an alternative to it. Hookup culture has displaced basically every method of finding a long term relationship. Nightclubs, bars, dating apps, and teenage parties are all dominated by casual sex seekers to the point where people searching for long term relationships essentially have nowhere to go to find that. In countries that have a lot of prostitution on the other hand, it doesn't seem to threaten long term relationships. Prostitution is much more capable of existing in its own universe essentially and leaving long term relationships alone.

2. PUA and hookup culture directly encourage avoidant attachment styles on the part of both men and women. Hookup culture creates an atmosphere of "whoever cares the least wins." Hookup culture is directly related to the increasing number of people who think its basically lame to make love the most important thing in your life or to honestly make your romantic partner your number 1 priority in life. Hookup culture attacks "neediness" and in doing so shames people for having emotional needs. Hookup culture also created the idea that being "dependent" on somebody is a bad thing. I actually think co-dependency creates a stronger bond between people. All of the strongest bonds formed between people in non-romantic situations involve dependency of some kind. Children are dependent on parents. The strongest friendships form out of need. Bonds forged between men at war result from being dependent on one another for survival. Why would romantic relationships work any differently? Why is it suddenly romantic relationships that we glorify independence?

I used to watch PUA videos, and the thing I always hated most about them was this advocation of avoidant attachment styles. I saw how my parents were growing up. My dad never withheld his affection from my mother. He would be, in the eyes of many people today, a simp who excessively lavishes affection on her. He is constantly telling her how cute she is, how much he loves her, she is definitely the number 1 priority in his life and he wants nothing more then to make her happy. Many people would call that being a simp these days, but my parents have the strongest relationship I've ever seen. Its the kind of relationship I want to have some day. I do not want to feel like I have to pretend for the rest of my life that my career or something else is more important to me then my wife. I especially don't want to have to pretend that is the case to my own wife. I realized that PUA advice may work, but it would create an awful society is we all followed it. We need to demand better then that. Instead of learning to play by the rules of the game we need to rewrite them and go back to the old rules where it was perfectly fine to be expressive and passionate about your love for your girl.


3. Hookup culture has strong ties to rampant levels of sexual assault and harassment. Hookup culture intentionally glorifies sexual situations where consent is ambiguous and this leads to varying levels of sexual assault. Consider the way that people grind in nightclubs for example. A lot of guys just walk up behind random girls and start grinding them. This is because a big part of hookup culture is essentially guys' competing to sleep with as many girls as possible and a big part of achieving that objective tends to be coercion. Prostitution on the other hand completely eliminates the ambiguity in the situation and makes it 100% clear whether sex is okay or not. There's no blurred lines or grey area at all.

That's how promiscuity and hookup culture damage love and relationships. Mr. Man provided a lot of great evidence for how promiscuity damages the family structure by birthing kids out of wedlock and forcing them to be raised by single mothers.

Promiscuous behavior is directly related to the crime epidemic in America. Kids born to single mothers are significantly more likely to commit crimes as a result of absent father figures. Not only that but child abuse is way more common when the mother introduces a step-father compared to when a child is raised by his or her biological parents...



The horrific results of rampant promiscuity on Earth prove that God was right to condemn promiscuous behavior and that the church does have a legitimate claim to authority over moral behavior.

If your natural desires are to love one woman, to take care of her, marry her and enjoy frequent, affectionate sex with her, to raise children with her, to be loyal to her, to nurture her femininity, protect her innocence and cherish her love for you then I have no problem with your "natural instincts." If your natural instinct is to pump and dump and make excuses for your behavior because you refuse to acknowledge that there are in-fact negative consequences to your behavior even if you can't immediately see the result of it, then yes, we have a problem with what you claim to be your natural instincts.

All that being said, I've mentioned before that I don't really look down on prostitutes. After reading Mr. Man's post, however, I am seriously starting to think that the services offered by prostitutes should not include intercourse.

If traditional lifestyles were not conductive to human happiness then why is the world becoming so miserable, angry, violent, and depressed ever since we abandoned them? 20% of American adults now are on anti-depressants. That is f***ing astonishing and quite frankly terrifying. Our suicide rate has been slowly rising for decades but is now higher then its ever been. We have over 100,000 people a year now killing themselves through drug overdoses. Rampage attacks and school shootings are becoming monthly occurrences and before the school shooters popped up we had lots of serial killers during the 70s, 80s, and 90s. Weird how all these problems just happened to coincide with rising liberalism? Think it must be something else? Think again, being unmarried can literally kill you...

The entire rise in white mortality rates in recent years has happened exclusively to unmarried men...
https://osf.io/preprints/socarxiv/8374m

Marriage is associated with a 2.4x higher chance of early recovery from depression...
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaps ... cle/206644

Marriage has a protective effect on survival...
https://link.springer.com/article/10.10 ... 011-0032-5

Single men die younger...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/1506209.stm

Marital status has also been consistently associated with better mental health. Compared with their married counterparts, single 1 2 S. R. Braithwaite, R. Delevi, and F. D. Fincham men and women have higher levels of depression, anxiety, mood disorders, adjustment problems, and other forms of psychological distress (Coombs, 1991; Cotten, 1999; Simon, 2002). Marital status has also been shown to be an important predictor of alcoholism and drinking problems (Hradilova, 2005), with unmarried people experiencing a higher rate of alcohol-related problems (Woodruff, Guze, & Clayton, 1972). In short, across a number of different indices, there is strong and consistent empirical evidence that married people experience better physical and psychological well-being than their unmarried counterparts.”
https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... e_students

88% of Americans are happy or content with their married sex lives...
https://www.imom.com/poll-shows-sex-wit ... ulfilling/

"That’s right. This same study found that the more religious a married couple, the more frequent and satisfying their sex. Religious people who are married, by far and away have the best sex lives. They have the most frequent sex, the most satisfying sex, the most fun sex and the longest-lived sex lives. When the researchers looked at which religious denominations had the best sex, they learned that the faithful who are married reported that not only was their sex more frequent, but also they were far more likely to rate their sex as being extremely satisfying. Conservative evangelical Protestant women, the survey found, reported the most satisfying sex and the most orgasms: 32 percent said they achieve orgasm every time they make love. Mainline Protestants and Catholics were only five points behind, while those with no religious affiliation were way down—at 22 percent."

On top of this, I will point out that despite Asian countries having a reputation for high suicide rates, Asian countries actually tend to have lower suicide rates then Western liberal countries do... Especially the Asian countries that are more traditional. Not only are their suicide rates lower but their drug overdose rates and percentage of the population that is on anti-depressants is nowhere near as high as it is in liberal countries.

Asian countries:

Thailand:
Suicide rate: 8.0 per 100,000.
Drug overdose rate: 1.1 per 100,000.

Philippines:
Suicide rate: 2.5 per 100,000.
Drug overdose rate: 0.73 per 100,000.

Japan:
Suicide rate: 12.2 per 100,000.
Drug overdose rate: 0.33 per 100,000.

Indonesia:
Suicide rate: 2.6 per 100,000.
Drug overdose rate: 0.38 per 100,000.

Malaysia:
Suicide rate: 5.8 per 100,000.
Drug overdose rate: 1.09 per 100,000.

China:
Suicide rate: 6.7 per 100,000.
Drug overdose rate: 1.34 per 100,000.

South Korea:
Suicide rate: 21.2
Drug overdose rate: 0.20 per 100,000.

Western countries:

United States:
Suicide rate: 14.5 per 100,000.
Drug overdose rate: 24.6 per 100,000.

Iceland:
Suicide rate: 11.2 per 100,000.
Drug overdose rate: 22.1 per 100,000.

Sweden:
Suicide rate: 12.4 per 100,000.
Drug overdose rate: 12.4 per 100,000.

Australia:
Suicide rate: 11.3 per 100,000.
Drug overdose rate: 11.6 per 100,000.

Canada:
Suicide rate: 10.3 per 100,000.
Drug overdose rate: 10.4 per 100,000.

Finland:
Suicide rate: 13.4 per 100,000.
Drug overdose rate: 7.6 per 100,000.

Norway:
Suicide rate: 11.8 per 100,000.
Drug overdose rate: 7.7 per 100,000.

As you can see, Europe is dealing with a much bigger suicide problem then Asia is despite Asia's reputation for high suicide rates. What's particularly different though is that Western drug overdose rates are extremely high compared to Asian countries, with the overdose rate alone being higher then most Asian countries suicide rates. The drug overdose rate in the US and Iceland is even higher then South Korea's suicide rate and overdose rate combined.

Its worth noting that South Korea is the only Asian country that seems to have a serious issue with depression and suicide. South Korea is also the least traditional Asian country with the lowest fertility and marriage rate.

[MrMan]

"The idea of defiling yourself by sleeping with a woman who has defiled herself by sleeping with hundreds of other men may not resonate with you. You may not even be grossed out if she's had sex with ten men right before having sex with you. But think about children conceived by prostitutes. if she gets pregnant, she either kills the child, or the child is raised without his father. If you do a little research, you will find that children raised without a father in the home are more likely to become juvenile delinquents, to have trouble with the law, to have low grades, to get pregnant out of wedlock, etc. Sleeping with random women who don't charge you money--- the free prostitute (zero dollar, zero pound prostitutes) has the same problem. There are also diseases that are spread this way. So it is an ethical issue."

This is rubbish. I have never seen sleeping with anyone as "defiling myself" a prostitute is still a human being ffs. She's providing a service and if she's any good she will use protection and have regular health checks. Same as anyone should. The whole thing with disease is a roll.of the dice anyway regardless of who you sleep with. Say we have a prostitute who sleeps with 10 incels in a day, and compare her with some dude's wife who slept with 1 guy in her whole life before meeting her husband, but her ex partner had a disease. Which woman is "dirty" or "immoral"? Catching something like an STD does not deminish someone's value as a human being. They just got unlucky. Diseases happen. It's life. Get the hell over it.

I didn't say fornication diminished your, or her, value as a human being. I married a virgin, so I don't have to worry about the one guy who had AIDS, chlamydia, etc.

Condoms aren't 100% effective. I read the they were about 92% effective. If you have sex 200 times in a year, that's like having sex over 12 times with a condom... for having babies. Condoms don't protect all the parts that can get venereal diseases, because there are many different types and some come from skin contact. And you had sex with a condom, which is what... like 20% of 40% of sex without a condom for sensation, and what about the emotional intimacy factor? Condoms might diminish that a bit, but having sex with prostitutes would have to be rather bleak in that regard.

Also, don't you find it a bit gross to have sex with a woman who had sex with five, ten, or fifteen other men the same day she had sex with you? What about if she didn't use condoms? I'd imagine back in the day, they didn't.

No, you misunderstood me. He didn't kill himself because of puritanism. He also didn't kill himself because of his wife. (Even though some of his family use her as a scapegoat.) I'm actually still on very good terms with his widow and consider her a good friend. As far as I knew they loved each other. (He was a very kind and loving guy) but that doesn't mean they didn't have their ups and downs. To be honest nobody knows why he killed himself. I suspect it was because of society and how artificial and fake everything is, including people.

Again, I'm sorry to hear that he did that, but how is this an argument agains tmarriage?

I called you a hypocrite because I don't recognise the authority of the church or how a wedding makes the act of sex moral.

What does that have to do with hypocrisy? You haven't presented any evidence that I am acting or not being genuine?

You could bang your wife 30 times a day (power to you lol) and that is righteous and good because you are married. I could hook up with a girl who I find attractive and who finds me attractive just for a night. I'm the one who is immoral because we weren't married?

One is moral, and the other isn't. Except 30 times might cause physical damage and pain, so it could be immoral in that case.

Marriage is found in cultures across the globe. Romans instituted the church wedding, adapting a wedding from Roman culture after accepting Christianity. The idea of a father giving his daughter in marriage to a man, and that that woman goes with that man and not another, is found all across cultures all around the world. If you argue it's a product of culture, it's found across cultures. So how do you explain that?

[NGH607]

@Outcast9428 man, all i'm trying to say is, it is VITAL for men to f**k as many women as possible, to develop confidence. Nowadays tho that no longer matters because most women are vaxxed. Do not f**k vaxxed women, at any cost

[Pixel--Dude]

@Outcast9428 man, all i'm trying to say is, it is VITAL for men to f**k as many women as possible, to develop confidence. Nowadays tho that no longer matters because most women are vaxxed. Do not f**k vaxxed women, at any cost

Why not f**k vaxxed women?

[NGH607]

@Outcast9428 man, all i'm trying to say is, it is VITAL for men to f**k as many women as possible, to develop confidence. Nowadays tho that no longer matters because most women are vaxxed. Do not f**k vaxxed women, at any cost

Why not f**k vaxxed women?

cause that mRNA vax shit is causing AIDS. Don't get blood transfusions either from hospitals, as the blood is all vaxxed now. The unvaxxed are in great danger from the blood of the vaxxed

[OutcastedPhilosopher]

@Outcast9428 man, all i'm trying to say is, it is VITAL for men to f**k as many women as possible, to develop confidence. Nowadays tho that no longer matters because most women are vaxxed. Do not f**k vaxxed women, at any cost

Why not f**k vaxxed women?

cause that mRNA vax shit is causing AIDS. Don't get blood transfusions either from hospitals, as the blood is all vaxxed now. The unvaxxed are in great danger from the blood of the vaxxed

a lot of the vaxxed also shed the spike proteins and can cause illness in you if you have sex with them.

i read about a vaxxed woman breast feeding her kid and the kid got covid.....so that shit just spreads man

[Outcast9428]

@Outcast9428 man, all i'm trying to say is, it is VITAL for men to f**k as many women as possible, to develop confidence. Nowadays tho that no longer matters because most women are vaxxed. Do not f**k vaxxed women, at any cost

That is complete and utter bullshit. Developing the lack of shame required to sleep around and seduce random women is not a worthy goal for men. All any man needs is one loyal wife. This is what we should demand of women and expect from them.

[WilliamSmith]

@Pixel--Dude
I'm not necessarily saying not to score with vaxxed women, but the main reason I personally would worry about it is: If she's having intense orgasms (or even is just getting on the way there but is really excited breathing heavily with her heart pounding) while we're going at it, what if she outright drops dead from the high rates of heart failure that the vax has caused? That would be bad!! Think of all those athletes dropping dead on the field after they got vaxxed... I would not want that to happen with a girlfriend while I was banging her brains out in bed!

This is another area where I count myself lucky to have gotten romantically involved with black women: Not just mine, but tons more black women out there are anti-vaxxers bigtime.
A really big population of the black and white populations can't stand each other, and I'm under no illusions about forced-at-gunpoint integration by jew communists working out in the USSA or 'West', but another cool fact to those of us who might end up leaving and moving to a black country:
Black Africans were by far the wisest in terms of "vaccine hesitancy" against the synagogue of satan's vaccine, because they are wary that the NWO/JWO is trying to use the vax to sterilize and/or kill them as part of their depopulation agenda. I posted a thread awhile back compiling some of the evidence that a lot of black leaders even got assassinated by the NWO for trying to protect their own people and nations from the vaccine.

[ArchibaultNew]

Prostitution makes no sense in countries where hooking up is easy, but makes absolute sense in countries where it's hard.

For instance, I heard the Netherlands is hard to get laid. Hence, prostitution makes a lot of sense there. However, some Eastern European countries it is easy to get laid. Hence, prostitution would make less sense. However, I do believe that men in the English speaking countries, specially have it the hardest it's both hard to get laid and prostitution is illegal.

[MrMan]

Which are worse, $200 prostitutes or free prostitutes?

[NGH607]

Let's take the thread in a different direction. Talk about your experiences with prostitutes and brothels in foreign countries. It's always fun to read.

[NGH607]

Prostitution makes no sense in countries where hooking up is easy, but makes absolute sense in countries where it's hard.

For instance, I heard the Netherlands is hard to get laid. Hence, prostitution makes a lot of sense there. However, some Eastern European countries it is easy to get laid. Hence, prostitution would make less sense. However, I do believe that men in the English speaking countries, specially have it the hardest it's both hard to get laid and prostitution is illegal.

Prostitution should be legal and regulated everywhere. Only then will men finally chill the f**k out, once they f**k enough whores. Less than 10% of men are capable of learning game/PUA. Prostitution is absolutely necessary. And it's a good thing. There's nothing more liberating than paying money for sex

[NGH607]

@Pixel--Dude
I'm not necessarily saying not to score with vaxxed women, but the main reason I personally would worry about it is: If she's having intense orgasms (or even is just getting on the way there but is really excited breathing heavily with her heart pounding) while we're going at it, what if she outright drops dead from the high rates of heart failure that the vax has caused? That would be bad!! Think of all those athletes dropping dead on the field after they got vaxxed... I would not want that to happen with a girlfriend while I was banging her brains out in bed!

This is another area where I count myself lucky to have gotten romantically involved with black women: Not just mine, but tons more black women out there are anti-vaxxers bigtime.
A really big population of the black and white populations can't stand each other, and I'm under no illusions about forced-at-gunpoint integration by jew communists working out in the USSA or 'West', but another cool fact to those of us who might end up leaving and moving to a black country:
Black Africans were by far the wisest in terms of "vaccine hesitancy" against the synagogue of satan's vaccine, because they are wary that the NWO/JWO is trying to use the vax to sterilize and/or kill them as part of their depopulation agenda. I posted a thread awhile back compiling some of the evidence that a lot of black leaders even got assassinated by the NWO for trying to protect their own people and nations from the vaccine.

I read that only 11% of Africans took the vax. God is protecting Africa, and I believe Africa is where the future will be, once the vaxxed die off. In places like China, India, Philippines, many asian countries, Dubai, middle east, the vax rate is like 90% or higher. Those places are f***ed. Massive die-off over the next year or two, or few.

And yea, African women are the best. Such awesome women, hot, sexy, humble but strong, perfect.