Why don't western women try to emulate foreign women?

[mattyman]

I don't know if any of you remember that time when dating coach Richard La Ruina made a comparison between Russian and British women. One thing I remember when reading some articles was he suggested 'what could British women learn from Russian women'. This is the question I want to ask.

It's common knowledge not just among people who've travelled, but many, almost common knowledge, that anglo-American women are not the most attractive (especially their bitchiness and lack of femininity) & also for older people to agree. There's a folk session I go to regularly and one of the guys there has a wife from Thailand and boy, she makes the typical working class English girls seem like bloody navvies in comparison as far as looks, femininity, and attitude is concerned.

The thing is, many guys and girls know that UK girls as a whole are not the most attractive, yet there seems to be this sort of denial & this fear of talking about it.

I used to go to a couchsurfing meet (which met most of my social needs, I didn't bother with Saturday nights in local bars in my local town then) & boy, the girls you'd meet there were so refreshing in comparison. One general consensus I got from guys there about UK girls was 'they're good for a f**k but not a relationship'. I guarantee the consensus on this board will be the same. My Canadian friend who lives in Spain who lives in the UK doesn't have a very high opinion of English women either.

It's as if it's socially-unacceptable for men to find girls who are pretty, warm, sweet and free of nasty attitude attractive. There seems to be this tendency to shame guys as 'wanting a weak women' or 'not being able to handle a strong woman', a shaming tactic many of us have heard before. Still, I liked the way Richard La Ruina said casually about British women not giving a shit 'a lot of them don't look very good, they're famous for moaning and complaining', I just loved the way he was so unapologetic and honest. I have to say, He's right.

The big question is can't many of these western women stop being in denial and try to better themselves. Why on earth are western women in denial? They can hark on about how all men who are attracted to those kinds of women are all evil misogynists who want submissive women (and they think they're being non-judgemental by jumping to those conclusions?) rather than acknowledge that foul masculine behaviour and being like a docker or Jeremy Kyle contestant isn't that attractive or attractive to men (it's possibly due to the high numbers of 'manginas' and 'white knights' in the UK that BELIEVE that's all there is and that's their only options).

[flowerthief00]

Because they figured out (probably not consciously) that if nearly all women are bitchy, overweight, and unfeminine men will chase them anyway because "we have no choice". And if a small number of women can stay attractive and feminine those few women will get ludicrous amounts of attention thanks to the scarcity created by the attractiveness strike. Online dating studies have shown that attractive women gets messaged so incessantly it's hard for men to even comprehend.

Men who settle for bitchy or unattractive women are mega-simps who enable this to go on.
Men who swipe right on Tinder for each and every profile they (don't) read as if it were a carpet bombing campaign are not helping either.
PUA mentors who advocate "do 100 approaches a day" are probably not helping either. The above-mentioned Mr. La Ruina is one himself. Or is he calling himself a "dating coach" now?

Basically, women count on men to be desperate and thirsty. So don't be that. The buck stops with men.

[MrMan]

I don't know if any of you remember that time when dating coach Richard La Ruina made a comparison between Russian and British women. One thing I remember when reading some articles was he suggested 'what could British women learn from Russian women'. This is the question I want to ask.

It's common knowledge not just among people who've travelled, but many, almost common knowledge, that anglo-American women are not the most attractive (especially their bitchiness and lack of femininity) & also for older people to agree. There's a folk session I go to regularly and one of the guys there has a wife from Thailand and boy, she makes the typical working class English girls seem like bloody navvies in comparison as far as looks, femininity, and attitude is concerned.

The thing is, many guys and girls know that UK girls as a whole are not the most attractive, yet there seems to be this sort of denial & this fear of talking about it.

I used to go to a couchsurfing meet (which met most of my social needs, I didn't bother with Saturday nights in local bars in my local town then) & boy, the girls you'd meet there were so refreshing in comparison. One general consensus I got from guys there about UK girls was 'they're good for a f**k but not a relationship'. I guarantee the consensus on this board will be the same. My Canadian friend who lives in Spain who lives in the UK doesn't have a very high opinion of English women either.

It's as if it's socially-unacceptable for men to find girls who are pretty, warm, sweet and free of nasty attitude attractive. There seems to be this tendency to shame guys as 'wanting a weak women' or 'not being able to handle a strong woman', a shaming tactic many of us have heard before. Still, I liked the way Richard La Ruina said casually about British women not giving a shit 'a lot of them don't look very good, they're famous for moaning and complaining', I just loved the way he was so unapologetic and honest. I have to say, He's right.

The big question is can't many of these western women stop being in denial and try to better themselves. Why on earth are western women in denial? They can hark on about how all men who are attracted to those kinds of women are all evil misogynists who want submissive women (and they think they're being non-judgemental by jumping to those conclusions?) rather than acknowledge that foul masculine behaviour and being like a docker or Jeremy Kyle contestant isn't that attractive or attractive to men (it's possibly due to the high numbers of 'manginas' and 'white knights' in the UK that BELIEVE that's all there is and that's their only options).

I don't know about the UK, but in the US, the percentage of people who spend any amount of time abroad seems to be rather low. The percentage of men who have dated foreign women is low. I could see how Singaporean women could learn a lesson and start trying to imitate foreigners since the population is small enough that the population of marriagable Singaporean would wise up to the fact that they are losing out to foreign competition, but if the women are career focused until 30 and then get serious about finding a mate, and the men they would want married foreign women in their 20's, it's too late.

A small percentage of men having nothing to do with local women won't teach them the lesson.

And for some reason, many women are willing to give up the milk to men who don't buy the cow. There are women who are fine with having sex during a relatively short-term relationship or during a long-term relationship. They don't insist on marriage, go from relationship to relationship, and have kids out of wedlock.

[mattyman]

@ flowertheif, I think as mentioned above, the SIMP variety of men do enable the problem. I think enabling is a good word to describe the situation. Much of this is because many men are too afraid to make broad comparisons primarily due to fear of disapproval from women, the 'not having any other choices' element no-doubt plays a big part in this.

Then there's the anti-generalisation police who are quick to accuse of calling ALL people of a certain nationalilty this (even if #not all). That the types of women who are attractive and also non-bitchy, kind and pleasant are more common from many other nationalities is not the same as saying all women from x culture are like this. That's what I can't standa about these PC cretins.

I think the above points about men who are too afraid to say they have no standards (which in a way is sad), who 'take what they can get' do enable the disincentive and lack of aspiration.

PUA culture is probably not helping as far as approach-ability is concerned. It's not about teaching chronically shy men to talk to women but about making sales pitches, chatting-up

[flowerthief00]

I'd like to see simping be shamed. I mean, it already kind of is in red pill circles, but we could go further. Any time a man gets burned we should point out the unequal investment that was (in most cases) inherent in the relationship, for all to see.