Giving and Helping in the Philippines

[galii]

@kangarunner

I already told you several times to stop trolling and asking dumb questions. I've asked you nicely already. If you continue I'm gonna have to kick you out for bad behavior and not respecting others with civility.

I don't see you helping charities either. Either way, charity is up to the individual. And many charities are scams as we all know. Please do not force them onto people. If you wanna get involved, then do so, but don't try to force others. It's rude and weird and uncivil. You are obviously trolling and picking nonsensical fights with people. This is your last warning. Please respect others. Thanks.

I find it extremely interesting that I bring up a topic of charity / helping / goodwill to others in the Philippines and tag @Winston and he immediately blows up and says he will ban me if I bring it up again. This is supposed to be a free speech forum and here you have Winston immediately saying he will ban me for talking about charitable acts of kindness. WOW!

Dude you are stupid. Why are you poking the bear for no reason. I know it is fun I do it too but well. Anyway Winston is a solipsist. We are just NPCs for him. So no reason to go deeper.

[Recover]

That is racist and insulting for philipine people and white supremecy and creating poor single mothers

Nothing to do with "white supremacy" you retard, I could have been a Latino or Indian or Arab man and they would still consider reproducing with me an upgrade because they worship "tall noses" and detest having flat ones lol. Filipinos are well aware that their noses are rather hideous on average, hence they have historically always looked to reproduce with non-Filipinos, as a result they now have some cute girls here and there who have some distant porener blood.

If the truth offends you, go ahead and live life with your eyes closed. You may run into things and trip a lot, but at least you won't be "triggered" by facts you dislike lol.

So average filipino nose is hideous and only way to be cute is to mix with foreigner. If you say that in public in social media or tv shows to philippines dont they feel offend and mad that you feel its doing favor as foreigner to make babys with no money and state fact that filipino nose is ugly and only reason there are cute girls is because foreigner blood. Why do you go to Philippine, to help rescue them from being hideous. Do they all agree with your facts. You mean latinos indians or arabs are better than filipinos physically. Is the worth of human derived from physical. What about old people who are mostly worn down are thy hideous also.

[kangarunner]

@Winston All of here on the forum are still waiting to hear what you have done to help others in the Philippines? What charitable donations have you made to schools and communities in the Philippines? What have you done to help others in the Philippines? Please respond. We are waiting to hear from you.

UNICEF Philippines

This is a United Nations group that works to help children.

UNICEF Philippines runs different programmes that help with things like nutrition, education, preventing disasters and dealing with emergencies, child protection, communication, preventing HIV and AIDS, and building up institutions.

Philippines World Vision

This is the part of World Vision that works in the Philippines. World Vision is the largest international charity for children in the world. World Vision Philippines has been in the country for almost 60 years, and its goal is to give hope to thousands of children living in poor areas in both rural and urban areas.

Dream Big Pilipinas

Dream Big Pilipinas tries to keep poor kids off the streets in many different ways. One of the main goals of this group is to teach young girls and boys how to read and write. It also raises money for scholarships and helps stop child labour. Dream Big Pilipinas also teaches kids how to play football to help them learn discipline and give them a sense of purpose.

The GreenEarth Heritage Foundation

GreenEarth Heritage Foundation is a Christian organisation that helps poor communities with all of their needs. It includes a wide range of projects that aim to change society, such as sustainable ways to make a living through organic farming, educational projects, reforestation programs, and many others.

You can help GreenEarth’s project by buying their tea and powder made from moringa.

[Recover]

@Winston All of here on the forum are still waiting to hear what you have done to help others in the Philippines? What charitable donations have you made to schools and communities in the Philippines? What have you done to help others in the Philippines? Please respond. We are waiting to hear from you.

UNICEF Philippines

This is a United Nations group that works to help children.

UNICEF Philippines runs different programmes that help with things like nutrition, education, preventing disasters and dealing with emergencies, child protection, communication, preventing HIV and AIDS, and building up institutions.

Philippines World Vision

This is the part of World Vision that works in the Philippines. World Vision is the largest international charity for children in the world. World Vision Philippines has been in the country for almost 60 years, and its goal is to give hope to thousands of children living in poor areas in both rural and urban areas.

Dream Big Pilipinas

Dream Big Pilipinas tries to keep poor kids off the streets in many different ways. One of the main goals of this group is to teach young girls and boys how to read and write. It also raises money for scholarships and helps stop child labour. Dream Big Pilipinas also teaches kids how to play football to help them learn discipline and give them a sense of purpose.

The GreenEarth Heritage Foundation

GreenEarth Heritage Foundation is a Christian organisation that helps poor communities with all of their needs. It includes a wide range of projects that aim to change society, such as sustainable ways to make a living through organic farming, educational projects, reforestation programs, and many others.

You can help GreenEarth’s project by buying their tea and powder made from moringa.

How much you give so far to charity in 2023 and which and what percent of your income you given? Advocation in examples for show you are mean it and not just hypocrites tell other people do do do and from armchair. There is a saying that goes put your money where your mouth is. So how much you have given so far and which charitys.

[Yohan]

I think all of us here have a heart and know that we have a heart for kindness and compassion.
In the Philippines and across the world young kids and families are in need of your help. It's our moral duty to help those who in need of our help.

The great thing about helping and giving is that by helping others in the communities that we live in, we not only help them, but we also help ourselves in the process.

If making a charitable donation is not an option, there are still many things that can be done in the name of goodwill.

To help poor people in Philippines is not so easy. First of all, never give anything to charities, as most money will not arrive where it is needed, however to give some support to poor families is also questionable, as experience shows that such help - for example to offer them money for a start of a small business - often totally fail - there are reports which claim that 95 % or more of such help fails - within less than one year such small businesses are empty - people borrow and never pay their debts - items are used for by the own family members and not for sale - often the little profit is used to pay for medical bills as poor people have no health insurance etc.

Simply said, and every social worker in Philippines will tell you the same, you cannot help everybody, and you cannot even help all children, as they are too many ... you can only watch them and see their reaction and their response to you before you try to help. A huge number of children is nothing but a hopeless case - called the 'dumb' ones.... and another much smaller group of those impoverished malnurished and often mistreated and abandoned children are still what you might call 'bright'.

You can only help successfully a few of these 'bright' children.

I tried about 20 years ago to help a poor girl with the help of some Filipino people I know personally, it was not cheap to change a 7 year old girl from the slums to become educated and able to take care of herself. She is now 27, married and we have often in contact by internet and sometimes I visit her in Cebu. I am happy to see she is doing well now.

[Natural_Born_Cynic]

Charity is not worth it. Most of the money goes to the pockets of the company CEOs and his employees anyway. Better teach them how to survive rather than giving them free stuff. Look at international beggar Vladimir Zelensky. He keeps begging for more weapons and aid despite losing a ton of donated weapons and troops. Zelensky's begging won't stop.

[kangarunner]

I tried about 20 years ago to help a poor girl with the help of some Filipino people I know personally, it was not cheap to change a 7 year old girl from the slums to become educated and able to take care of herself. She is now 27, married and we have often in contact by internet and sometimes I visit her in Cebu. I am happy to see she is doing well now.

@Yohan That is so kind and selfless of you to do that. That is a great story. By helping her, you helped change her life.

@Winston I doubt Winston would ever do anything like that because he only cares about himself. @Winston What have you done to help disadvantaged and impoverished families in the Philippines? How much have you donated???

[Natural_Born_Cynic]

I tried about 20 years ago to help a poor girl with the help of some Filipino people I know personally, it was not cheap to change a 7 year old girl from the slums to become educated and able to take care of herself. She is now 27, married and we have often in contact by internet and sometimes I visit her in Cebu. I am happy to see she is doing well now.

@Yohan That is so kind and selfless of you to do that. That is a great story. By helping her, you helped change her life.

@Winston I doubt Winston would ever do anything like that because he only cares about himself. @Winston What have you done to help disadvantaged and impoverished families in the Philippines? How much have you donated???

How much did you? Come on.. tell us. , A million dollars?

[Winston]

@kangarunner

Several points about your charity vendetta:

1. First, you and other liberals, leftists and Democrats, falsely assume that all poor people are good innocent people with angelic souls and hearts of gold, like the orphan Annie from the movie Annie (1982). That simply isn't true. Many poor people I've met in the Philippines and Russia are scumbags with no morals and would think nothing of stealing from you or robbing you or scamming you. They have a robin hood mentality where they believe the poor have a right to steal from the rich because society is unequal. There is no virtue, honor, shame, or pride in them. They are not innocent angels with high morals like the family from Little House on the Prairie. No way jose. Hence you make a FALSE assumption about them. Most poor people I've met are poor inside in spirit too, not just outside in terms of money. Hence their outer reflects their inner, meaning that they are poor because their souls are poor in virtue too. They seem to have a collective bad karma that puts them in the position they are in. @Mr S has noticed this too.

Let me ask you this: How come every Western expat in the Philippines has experienced some form of robbery, scam, or pickpocketing? What does that tell you? That all poor people in the Philippines are innocent angels with a heart of gold, like Laura from "Little House on the Prairie"? LOL. Hell no! Of course not! It obviously means that a large percentage of poor people in the Philippines are scumbags and greedy gremlins, because that's what they are, both inside and outside. You can tell when people have gremlin souls, they are always greedy and eager to snatch up any cash you have, and are pure takers. Do you think Laura from "Little House on the Prairie" would resort to scams or theft or pickpocketing? Of course not! Do you see how false your assumptions are?!

If you think all poor people are good people, then try this: Drop your wallet in Angeles City -- where there are scores of greedy gremlins everywhere -- with cash in it and your ID card in it with your contact info. See if anyone returns it. No one will. They will all keep the cash even if they return the wallet with your ID in it. That's what greedy gremlins do. Deep down you know this too. So no, poor people are not all good innocent honest angels like liberals assume.

2. Giving money to the poor or beggars is a zero sum game. Any money you give them results in them losing it the next day and going back to zero. It's as if they are meant to be poor and always at zero cash, so even when they get money, they eventually go back to zero, which is where their karma and destiny has set them to be at. In the Philippines, expats say that giving money to Filipino families is like throwing money into a black hole. It just vanishes and they are back to zero again. So what's the point? I've noticed this with freelancers and whores. Whatever you give them, they are back to zero the next day. So what's the difference if you give them 1500p or 2000p or 5000p? They are always back to zero the next day, as if their destiny and lot in life belonged to zero. Hence it's a zero sum game and net zero. Only you lose your money that you could spend on other things. What's the logic in that?

What I heard is that Filipino families are like Black families in America. When one of them has extra money, the other family members or relatives try to take it from them and bring them down to zero. Because Filipinos always have a family member or relative with bad habits, like gambling addiction or drug addiction, which leads to debts that need to be repaid. Or they always have medical emergencies and hospital bills that require a lot of money to pay off. Hence any money they have is gone because some relative always needs it for some reason or another. My friend @halnovemila (Alex) explained this to me in detail. That's why they are at a zero sum game and always go back to zero in terms of cash.

3. Hindus say that trying to rescue the poor is a bad idea because you are interfering with their karma. Everything happens for a reason, the universe is not random as atheists believe. That is false teaching by the atheist establishment in the western world. Hindus say that you cannot interfere with someone's karma. If their karma is to be poor then the universe has a reason for doing that to them. It may be due to their bad karma from a past life or prior existence. We don't know. It's up to the divine will of the universe. You can't rescue them or interfere with the will of the universe or nature. If you don't believe me, go and try and you will be in for a rude awakening. Hinduism is based on thousands of years of wisdom and predates Christianity, so what they say must have some basis or foundation.

Poor people who have goodness and virtue usually receive help from the heavens or the universe. For example, when I met Dianne's family in 2007 they were very dirt poor and only ate rice and soy sauce for dinner. But they were good people at heart, I could tell. Eventually they received help from many wealthy people and are now financially independent, especially since her sister lives and works in the US now.

4. Republicans and conservatives and the John Birch Society have explained to you many times, that giving to the poor only results in them asking for more the next day. As the saying goes "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for life." The solution is obviously to help the poor establish some kind of business where they can earn a cash flow. But many of them are too stupid to do that or they cannot manage such a business because they always mess it up due to bad habits and bad behavior. Such people cannot be helped.

Try giving money to beggars and you will see that the next day when you see them on the street again, they will come to you and ask for more. It becomes a daily routine. Ok you can do that sometimes, but so what? It's not going to change their life. Do you see poor people buying food with the money you give them? Some might, but many do not. If you want to help them, why not offer to buy them street food at a canteen, if they need food? I've done that with beggar girls in China and they refused, as if they don't care about food, only cash. I wonder why?

5. I've heard of people giving money to beggars in Angeles City, only to be surrounded by a whole group of beggars later, as if they were gonna assault and attack them. That's very creepy and dangerous and makes you regret helping them. Good people don't do that. Again you falsely assume that all poor people are good innocent people with good souls. That's one of the key primary fallacies that liberals and leftists make. Yet you never think about it or consider it. You just continue with your fallacies and false assumptions like liberals do, without thinking about it. Why?

In Angeles City there are many scums and leeches that will gladly take whatever they can from you. Are you going to let them all parasite and leech off of you? If so, why not go outside where there are mosquitos and leeches and let them drain all your blood? lol. You see how foolish and illogical that is? Just so you can be "unselfish"?

6. You liberals also assume that everyone feels good about helping the poor and that it is better to give than receive. But not everyone feels good about doing charity work. That is another false assumption that presumes that everyone is the same or that everyone is like you, which isn't true. Some people do not feel any pleasure or good feeling from doing charity work or giving to the poor. Shaming them and guilt tripping them is useless. Very few people are altruistic. If you think Mark Davis' Ukraine orphanage project is altruistic, then why does he make lots of money from it? Do you think he does things for free? If so, you are gullible.

I also not agree with the black and white notion that selfishness is always bad and unselfishness is always good. Only low IQ people think like that. Read the book "The Virtue of Selfishness" by Ayn Rand or "How I Found Freedom in an Unfree World" by Harry Brown. They contain chapters about why the concept of "unselfishness" is a trap designed to manipulate you and control you and guilt trip you into doing what others want, and hence are bad and manipulative.

7. Most people are NPCs, which means they are either background characters in a video game, or organic portals without a divine soul, and only have a local soul that animates them from the matrix, similar to animal souls. Hence those types do NOT suffer deeply or with intensity, as you imagine they do. Look into their eyes and faces and you will notice that they do not have any deep angst in their soul. They are not suffering like someone with a deep sensitive soul does. Such people only have superficial suffering and pain. Their emotions are NOT deep or intense, only superficial. Hence their suffering is superficial too, even if they are sentient and self-aware (which I am not even sure about). Look at a dog chained to a tree or post and you will see that the dog is not suffering intensely with angst in its soul, its suffering is only superficial, because it is only capable of superficial emotions, even if self-aware. That's how most people are unfortunately. Observe them closely and you will see. They run on auto pilot and are instinct driven and not that aware, and their emotions are very superficial. Most people are like this, especially in Asia where everyone is a conformist, similar to ants and bees with a hive mind and group soul. They are not deep intense souls with deep intense feelings and emotions. No way. In a sense that's good news because it means the poor are not suffering as much as you imagine.

In the Philippines, the poor people and beggars that I see do not look like they are suffering with any intensity or angst. They look like they accept their condition and are in natural harmony with their poverty condition, as if they were at one with poverty and do not struggle against it, which would create more suffering. They act as if their poverty was natural and so are in harmony and rhythm with it. They do not act as if they "deserve better or that things ought to be different" as a westerner would. They do not resist reality, in other words, so they are not suffering as much as you imagine. We don't even know if others are self-aware with real souls or not. They may have souls in terms of the matrix that are created by the matrix and only exist within the matrix, like animals do. But they may not have divine souls that can observe things from outside the matrix. That's why I cannot connect with most people perhaps. My friend @Pixel--Dude has noticed the same thing.

8. I do help people sometimes, if I feel that they deserve it and are a good friend or good people. But I have to see evidence that they are a good friend or good people. I'm not just gonna assume that every poor person is a good person and an angel as you liberals do. Again that's a FALLACY and FALSE assumption. Only low IQ lemmings and NPCs buy into that without critical thought.

FYI, I've donated to close friends and to YouTubers that I follow and have gotten a lot of knowledge and wisdom from. If I feel they deserve it or that I've gotten something from them or believe in their cause, then yes I donate to them. Do you?

I am not stingy btw. I have treated countless Filipinos to free dinners and been scammed and deceived by many. I always pay what I owe. That is not stinginess. I am a logical and efficient person who spends wisely and has a nose for good bargains, it's in my Chinese genes to find good bargains and deals. I am not some stupid person who throws away all his money and loses it all. If I was then I would not have any money to be generous to anyone too. I have never refused to pay what I owe or to reward people for good behavior. Hence I am not stingy. Frugal yes, but not stingy. To be stingy means I refuse to pay what I owe, and I don't do that. Furthermore, only gold diggers, whores, users, bad people, and scammers call me stingy because I am too smart and logical for them to scam. Or I refuse to be the Santa Claus that they hope I will be. But they are wrong to expect something for nothing, hence I cannot be called stingy just for resisting the wishes of bad people who want to take advantage of me. A lot of bad people want something for nothing, and if I say no, then they call me stingy. But that is because they are bad people, not because I am actually stingy. There are tons of bad people all over Angeles City and Manila. But you liberals don't seem to take that into consideration. Hence you liberals are delusional and out of touch with reality and make false assumptions.

If you really want to help poor people then why don't you volunteer in a soup kitchen to help feed them or help them learn to read, etc. Or find a poor boy or girl with a lot of potential and who is very bright, and become a tutor or mentor to them. But only if you see that they have potential and are bright and can make something of the help you give them. Or volunteer in a charity organization that helps sick and elderly people who cannot perform basic living functions. I knew an Indian guy long ago who was very kind and every weekend would drive around and deliver supplies to those who were disabled or poor. He didn't simply throw money at charities or beggars. Why not do something like that if you really want to help others? That's true altruism. It's better than simply giving money to charities or beggars, for the reasons I outlined above.

Conclusion:

Anyway I've had enough of this topic. I've wasted my time a lot to explain all the above already, when it should be common sense. Please consider all the points above @kangarunner. If you don't, then I will simply copy and paste the above again or send you the link to this post. I do not like having to repeat things to people who won't listen. But I just wanted to point out all the false assumptions and fallacies that you liberals have about the poor and how to help them.

[Winston]

I think all of us here have a heart and know that we have a heart for kindness and compassion.
In the Philippines and across the world young kids and families are in need of your help. It's our moral duty to help those who in need of our help.

The great thing about helping and giving is that by helping others in the communities that we live in, we not only help them, but we also help ourselves in the process.

If making a charitable donation is not an option, there are still many things that can be done in the name of goodwill.

To help poor people in Philippines is not so easy. First of all, never give anything to charities, as most money will not arrive where it is needed, however to give some support to poor families is also questionable, as experience shows that such help - for example to offer them money for a start of a small business - often totally fail - there are reports which claim that 95 % or more of such help fails - within less than one year such small businesses are empty - people borrow and never pay their debts - items are used for by the own family members and not for sale - often the little profit is used to pay for medical bills as poor people have no health insurance etc.

Simply said, and every social worker in Philippines will tell you the same, you cannot help everybody, and you cannot even help all children, as they are too many ... you can only watch them and see their reaction and their response to you before you try to help. A huge number of children is nothing but a hopeless case - called the 'dumb' ones.... and another much smaller group of those impoverished malnurished and often mistreated and abandoned children are still what you might call 'bright'.

You can only help successfully a few of these 'bright' children.

I tried about 20 years ago to help a poor girl with the help of some Filipino people I know personally, it was not cheap to change a 7 year old girl from the slums to become educated and able to take care of herself. She is now 27, married and we have often in contact by internet and sometimes I visit her in Cebu. I am happy to see she is doing well now.

These are good points. Yes the reason most poor Filipinos need money is not for food, but to pay their debts, utility bills and medical bills. Sometimes the debts are gambling debts, which means they have bad addictions and habits. By giving them money to pay their debts, you allow them to continue their bad habits and make others pay for it. Sometimes they have to pay off loans too. But that's no your problem. You can't pay off everyone's bad habits. They are where they are because of their collective karma probably, not due to some random accident or mistake of God or the universe. That's why most of them can't be helped. Whatever you give them will be gone the next day and they will back to zero again, as if that's where they belong.

People's lives tend to be circular, the same patterns and results tend to repeat. That happens to all of us too, as if there is a certain destiny that we cannot escape from, so the same patterns repeat. It's the same in love and relationships too.

Yes helping that one girl is a good idea if she shows a willingness to change and a potential to make something of herself. But you gotta help those who are worth helping, not every random poor person like @kangarunner advocates, because he assumes like most liberals do, that all poor people are angels with hearts of gold and are innocent, like Laura from "Little House on the Prairie". Nothing could be further from the truth. So you have to be selective and help people wisely.

You are also right that setting up Filipino families with a business like a Sari Sari store, often fails. They mismanage it or give up after a while because they earn so little or the rain keeps customers away, etc. Plus that kind of business is not stable. It's streaky. Sometimes they make money and sometimes they don't. Eventually they give up because they don't make enough money from it or don't have the discipline to maintain it. Hence they cannot really be helped. People like @kangarunner are too naive and short-sighted to see this even though it's obvious.

As J. Edgar Hoover said, communism and liberalism isn't a philosophy, it's a disease, and a disease infects people. Unfortunately @kangarunner has been infected by it. Hence he cannot think logically or sensibly or realistically about it.

[Winston]

That is racist and insulting for philipine people and white supremecy and creating poor single mothers

Nothing to do with "white supremacy" you retard, I could have been a Latino or Indian or Arab man and they would still consider reproducing with me an upgrade because they worship "tall noses" and detest having flat ones lol. Filipinos are well aware that their noses are rather hideous on average, hence they have historically always looked to reproduce with non-Filipinos, as a result they now have some cute girls here and there who have some distant porener blood.

If the truth offends you, go ahead and live life with your eyes closed. You may run into things and trip a lot, but at least you won't be "triggered" by facts you dislike lol.

LOLOLOL. Friggin hilarious @MarcosZeitola. That was the laugh of the day!

But no kidding, you are right, not because of any racist attitude, but the Filipinos themselves find white skin and sharp noses to be symbols of beauty and higher class. That's why models and advertisements in the PH usually feature Eurasian females or morena females at least, never darker females. It's their culture, not ours. So that doesn't make you racist MZ. LOL. Great point. But of course, most people cannot stand the truth.

[kangarunner]

@Winston Your mouth is filthy. Didn't your mother teach you how to behave properly?

[Winston]

@Winston Your mouth is filthy. Didn't your mother teach you how to behave properly?

How is my mouth filthy? I am just passionate. You need to stop using drugs or getting drunk. Please stop polluting the threads with useless posts like that. They are low quality and degenerate the forum. Why can't you post something higher quality? What is wrong with you?

[kangarunner]

You need to stop using drugs or getting drunk.

I am going to get a lawyer in the US and press charges for libel. Multiple times now you have said that I am a drug user and a drunkard. This is defamation. Prepare for legal papers sent to your home in Las Vegas. Good luck.

Defamation is a legal term for a false statement made by a person that injures another person's reputation or character. Libel is written defamation. Slander is spoken defamation.

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia ... efamation.

[galii]

You need to stop using drugs or getting drunk.

I am going to get a lawyer in the US and press charges for libel. Multiple times now you have said that I am a drug user and a drunkard. This is defamation. Prepare for legal papers sent to your home in Las Vegas. Good luck.

Defamation is a legal term for a false statement made by a person that injures another person's reputation or character. Libel is written defamation. Slander is spoken defamation.

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia ... efamation.

Dude you are obsessed with Dr. Wiseton. Get off his ass. I know he seems to be an easy target sometimes with his perceived trolling. You are in Peru right? Give us intel. Are you a white God or not there?