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[NPCslammer]

Why are leftists obsessed with authoritarian censorship? When did their social skills become so bad? You can't even talk with a leftist person anymore without them having a meltdown over something. Go to a popular left-leaning site like Reddit and try having a conversation with someone there. They can't do it. If they disagree with something you said they can't have a conversation about it, they immediately start having a meltdown and resorting to mocking and insults. They're very controlling, illogical, and immature. However, I don't remember them always being this insane. I recall your average leftist guy used to just some idealistic hippy guy who wanted peace for everyone. Now your average leftist is an insane, mentally unstable person who demands everything is censored, you have to agree with them, and they go insane if you simply have a different opinion than them.

It was during the Obola presidency. They were always evil pieces of shit, but they became a thousand times worse during his two terms.

[shawnberwick]

I heard a conspiracy theory that was presented with no evidence, but I think is seriously plausible...

Do you guys remember Occupy Wall Street, it was a leftist movement that spread to various countries, and was about how the oligarchs, corporations and politicians were screwing over the working and middle class. It got massive support. It was ineffective but it was a essentially the beginning of a left wing populist movement. That was in 2011.

10 years later, and the left rather than opposing the rich and politicians support them. They are the most hardcore defenders of military interventionism, corporate deplatforming, and the screwing over the working class via lockdowns. It's bizzarre, it's a complete 180.

I seriously think that the powers that be panicked, and successfully steered the whole of the left away from popularism and focused on Race and Gender.

Post Occupy Wall Street we saw a steady uprising of White Nationalism, and then Black Lives Matter - both movements might have been fostered to create racial division, to distract people away from populism. (Does anyone remember when Richard Spencer was being paraded around by News outlets, and then the Charlottesville fiasco was televised with white nationalists chanting "Jews will not replace us!", then we had White Nationalist shootings, and then we had George Floyd and Black lives matter.) We also saw transgenderism promoted as the most prominent issue of our time, Catlin Jenner was paraded around by Hollywood. Concerns about the working and middle class, and the military industrial complex practically disappeared from leftist talking points - identity politics took front and center.

I remember Psychiatrist James Gilligan writing in his book; Preventing Violence that when he spoke with prison guards they confessed that they were aware that if the prisoners turned on them they were outnumbered. So their conscious strategy was to get them to turn on each other, by fanning the tension between inmates - because if they were occupied with each other, then they wouldn't unite and turn on the guards. That's what I believe has happened in our society, they've got the masses to see each other as being each others oppressor.

The right spend most of their time bitching about the left, the left spend most of their time bitching about the right. Intelligent and passionate white guys online who are inclined towards populist values go down the rabbit hole and become white identarians focused on non-whites as 'the problem'. Intelligent minorities and women who are inclined towards populist values go down the rabbit hole and become race identarians who focus on whites straight men as 'the problem'. It's genius, and it's worked incredibly well.

Even many in 'the right' became hardcore Trump supporters, even people like Alex Jones, who seemed to sincerely believe he was 'different'. They ended up getting sucked into the mainstream left vs right divide.

The only people I've seen who agree with me that this divide is theatre and that no politician is coming to save us are the Agorists.

[Outcast9428]

I heard a conspiracy theory that was presented with no evidence, but I think is seriously plausible...

Do you guys remember Occupy Wall Street, it was a leftist movement that spread to various countries, and was about how the oligarchs, corporations and politicians were screwing over the working and middle class. It got massive support. It was ineffective but it was a essentially the beginning of a left wing populist movement. That was in 2011.

10 years later, and the left rather than opposing the rich and politicians support them. They are the most hardcore defenders of military interventionism, corporate deplatforming, and the screwing over the working class via lockdowns. It's bizzarre, it's a complete 180.

I seriously think that the powers that be panicked, and successfully steered the whole of the left away from popularism and focused on Race and Gender.

Post Occupy Wall Street we saw a steady uprising of White Nationalism, and then Black Lives Matter - both movements might have been fostered to create racial division, to distract people away from populism. (Does anyone remember when Richard Spencer was being paraded around by News outlets, and then the Charlottesville fiasco was televised with white nationalists chanting "Jews will not replace us!", then we had White Nationalist shootings, and then we had George Floyd and Black lives matter.) We also saw transgenderism promoted as the most prominent issue of our time, Catlin Jenner was paraded around by Hollywood. Concerns about the working and middle class, and the military industrial complex practically disappeared from leftist talking points - identity politics took front and center.

I remember Psychiatrist James Gilligan writing in his book; Preventing Violence that when he spoke with prison guards they confessed that they were aware that if the prisoners turned on them they were outnumbered. So their conscious strategy was to get them to turn on each other, by fanning the tension between inmates - because if they were occupied with each other, then they wouldn't unite and turn on the guards. That's what I believe has happened in our society, they've got the masses to see each other as being each others oppressor.

The right spend most of their time bitching about the left, the left spend most of their time bitching about the right. Intelligent and passionate white guys online who are inclined towards populist values go down the rabbit hole and become white identarians focused on non-whites as 'the problem'. Intelligent minorities and women who are inclined towards populist values go down the rabbit hole and become race identarians who focus on whites straight men as 'the problem'. It's genius, and it's worked incredibly well.

Even many in 'the right' became hardcore Trump supporters, even people like Alex Jones, who seemed to sincerely believe he was 'different'. They ended up getting sucked into the mainstream left vs right divide.

The only people I've seen who agree with me that this divide is theatre and that no politician is coming to save us are the Agorists.

I get so sick of this “both sides” argument. I feel like it’s generally made by people who either want to seem too smart or independent to pick a side or they just don’t understand politics very well.

I have no interest in uniting with perverts, degenerates and feminists to take down the elites. I don’t care if they also happen to dislike the elites or the military industrial complex. I don’t dislike the elites because they are rich. I dislike them because of what they are doing with their wealth. I will fully confess if the elites were using their power to squash degeneracy and feminism and restore traditional values then I’d be just as much on their side as current leftists are for their respective corporations.

[OutcastedPhilosopher]

I heard a conspiracy theory that was presented with no evidence, but I think is seriously plausible...

Do you guys remember Occupy Wall Street, it was a leftist movement that spread to various countries, and was about how the oligarchs, corporations and politicians were screwing over the working and middle class. It got massive support. It was ineffective but it was a essentially the beginning of a left wing populist movement. That was in 2011.

10 years later, and the left rather than opposing the rich and politicians support them. They are the most hardcore defenders of military interventionism, corporate deplatforming, and the screwing over the working class via lockdowns. It's bizzarre, it's a complete 180.

I seriously think that the powers that be panicked, and successfully steered the whole of the left away from popularism and focused on Race and Gender.

Post Occupy Wall Street we saw a steady uprising of White Nationalism, and then Black Lives Matter - both movements might have been fostered to create racial division, to distract people away from populism. (Does anyone remember when Richard Spencer was being paraded around by News outlets, and then the Charlottesville fiasco was televised with white nationalists chanting "Jews will not replace us!", then we had White Nationalist shootings, and then we had George Floyd and Black lives matter.) We also saw transgenderism promoted as the most prominent issue of our time, Catlin Jenner was paraded around by Hollywood. Concerns about the working and middle class, and the military industrial complex practically disappeared from leftist talking points - identity politics took front and center.

I remember Psychiatrist James Gilligan writing in his book; Preventing Violence that when he spoke with prison guards they confessed that they were aware that if the prisoners turned on them they were outnumbered. So their conscious strategy was to get them to turn on each other, by fanning the tension between inmates - because if they were occupied with each other, then they wouldn't unite and turn on the guards. That's what I believe has happened in our society, they've got the masses to see each other as being each others oppressor.

The right spend most of their time bitching about the left, the left spend most of their time bitching about the right. Intelligent and passionate white guys online who are inclined towards populist values go down the rabbit hole and become white identarians focused on non-whites as 'the problem'. Intelligent minorities and women who are inclined towards populist values go down the rabbit hole and become race identarians who focus on whites straight men as 'the problem'. It's genius, and it's worked incredibly well.

Even many in 'the right' became hardcore Trump supporters, even people like Alex Jones, who seemed to sincerely believe he was 'different'. They ended up getting sucked into the mainstream left vs right divide.

The only people I've seen who agree with me that this divide is theatre and that no politician is coming to save us are the Agorists.

I get so sick of this “both sides” argument. I feel like it’s generally made by people who either want to seem too smart or independent to pick a side or they just don’t understand politics very well.

I have no interest in uniting with perverts, degenerates and feminists to take down the elites. I don’t care if they also happen to dislike the elites or the military industrial complex. I don’t dislike the elites because they are rich. I dislike them because of what they are doing with their wealth. I will fully confess if the elites were using their power to squash degeneracy and feminism and restore traditional values then I’d be just as much on their side as current leftists are for their respective corporations.

If you want to read a cogent representation of what leftism is and where it comes from....I highly recommend you read Industrial Society and its Future by Ted Kaczynski. Best book I have read and yes he is the unabomber but his analysis is spot on. Seriously, go and buy it and then read it.

[Lucas88]

Why are leftists obsessed with authoritarian censorship? When did their social skills become so bad? You can't even talk with a leftist person anymore without them having a meltdown over something. Go to a popular left-leaning site like Reddit and try having a conversation with someone there. They can't do it. If they disagree with something you said they can't have a conversation about it, they immediately start having a meltdown and resorting to mocking and insults. They're very controlling, illogical, and immature. However, I don't remember them always being this insane. I recall your average leftist guy used to just some idealistic hippy guy who wanted peace for everyone. Now your average leftist is an insane, mentally unstable person who demands everything is censored, you have to agree with them, and they go insane if you simply have a different opinion than them.

The truth is that the bulk of the left (the true left and not just some somewhat left-leaning idealistic hippies and nonconformists) has always been authoritarian and mercilessly intolerant of any divergent ideas or points of view. Since the time of the original Marxists and then later the neo-Marxists of the Frankfurt School the left's various offshoots have consistently extolled their own critical theory and utopian vision for society as the sole absolute truth and condemned everything else as "capitalist oppression", "bourgeois degeneracy", "false class consciousness", etc. No criticism of Marxist doctrine or contrary worldview is ever allowed. This was always the case whenever Marxist principles were implemented in the real world. Leftist governments acted to recast societies in their own image and create a new socialist model of man. Those who refused to conform to the Marxist's sole vision were labelled as evil and enemies of the revolution and subjected to exile, imprisonment and all kinds of injustices. True leftists were dogmatic authoritarian assholes all along.

Leftism however did not fare too well in the real world and ended up being a fairly discredited ideology by the second half of the 20th century. This caused many of its proponents to take a more moderate stance at least outwardly, often posing as left-leaning liberals and downplaying the more radical and revolutionary aspects of their worldview. But today leftist thought has seen a resurgence and is even becoming increasingly popular in the mainstream and so more of those authoritarian leftists are becoming emboldened and coming out of the woodwork and showing their true colors. Now we are seeing on full display their intolerance, their mean-spiritedness, their blatant censorship of opposing ideas and their absolute hatred for all non-leftists who refuse to go along with their mindless groupthink. Of course, many new leftists of the younger generations are also influenced by these older leftists and, in the absence of any substantial wisdom or guiding principles of their own, come to see this kind of behavior as normal. The result of this is the current generation of "woke" loonies.

In short, the left as a cultural phenomenon has always been characterized as you have described. Its followers just toned their intolerance down a little when leftism was forced underground but now in light of leftism's newfound mainstream appeal they have returned with a vengeance.

[shawnberwick]

I forgot to comment on this part specifically...

If they disagree with something you said they can't have a conversation about it, they immediately start having a meltdown and resorting to mocking and insults. They're very controlling, illogical, and immature. However, I don't remember them always being this insane. I recall your average leftist guy used to just some idealistic hippy guy who wanted peace for everyone. Now your average leftist is an insane, mentally unstable person who demands everything is censored, you have to agree with them, and they go insane if you simply have a different opinion than them.

I have had exactly the same experience with right wingers, consistently. I don't think it's exclusive to leftists, not in my experience at least. I've had a lot of debate with right wingers over the years, and they consistently resort to insults, mocking, denying research and denying history. (I made it a point of principle never to resort to the same, so they weren't simply reciprocating.)

I've come to the conclusion that's just how ideologues work, nothing unique about it to any community of political ideology. Both treat 'out-groups' or people who disagree with them to poor treatment. That's just how ideologues behave, IME.

Like I said though, I believe liberals and conservatives are 2 sides of the same centrist coin. Both support the military industrial complex, transhumanism, and financial sanctioning. Both believe that the the other is 'the problem'. Both support Zionism. Both believe that gender or race are the key issues of our current civilization.

[Outcast9428]

I'm just gonna leave this video here...



Sounds like a f***ing demon.

[WilliamSmith]

I'm just gonna leave this video here...



Sounds like a f***ing demon.

LOL, I took the liberty of posting it to the Musk Buys Twitter thread. In the old days you had to get lowlife jews like Jerry Springer or Geraldo shove the underbelly of society in everyone's face via TV, now unhinged libs gone mad across the whole "Western World" is almost continuous, more than just a daily occurrence.

I try not to let myself get too distracted by this stuff since the supply of psychotic libs is unending these days, but will throw in one I couldn't help noticing on Twitter some months ago: Nutcase white/(and/or jewish?) old women freak out in hostility at a black man for not wearing a covid mask, then one of them hits him, then starts yapping "Black Lives Matter! Black Lives Matter!" Looks like there's some other unhinged covid libs tacked onto this video as well that I didn't watch, but help yourself.

[WilliamSmith]

I forgot to comment on this part specifically...

If they disagree with something you said they can't have a conversation about it, they immediately start having a meltdown and resorting to mocking and insults. They're very controlling, illogical, and immature. However, I don't remember them always being this insane. I recall your average leftist guy used to just some idealistic hippy guy who wanted peace for everyone. Now your average leftist is an insane, mentally unstable person who demands everything is censored, you have to agree with them, and they go insane if you simply have a different opinion than them.

I have had exactly the same experience with right wingers, consistently. I don't think it's exclusive to leftists, not in my experience at least. I've had a lot of debate with right wingers over the years, and they consistently resort to insults, mocking, denying research and denying history. (I made it a point of principle never to resort to the same, so they weren't simply reciprocating.)

I've come to the conclusion that's just how ideologues work, nothing unique about it to any community of political ideology. Both treat 'out-groups' or people who disagree with them to poor treatment. That's just how ideologues behave, IME.

Like I said though, I believe liberals and conservatives are 2 sides of the same centrist coin. Both support the military industrial complex, transhumanism, and financial sanctioning. Both believe that the the other is 'the problem'. Both support Zionism. Both believe that gender or race are the key issues of our current civilization.

This is a good point @shawnberwick ! The promotion of the concept of "democracy" and mob rule by elites + a fairly intensive dumbing down in public education and media, among other things, has reduced things to a point where various camps of ideologues are just screaming at each other like it's a contest to shut each other down.

All sorts of great thinkers in history warned about the potential evils of mob rule, which many claimed would result in bread and circuses distracting the public, while ill-intentioned elites or despots manipulated the public to their own ends. (There was a great cynical quote by a Roman leader sneering about his ability to manipulate the mob this way, but it slipped my mind at the moment.)

Sometimes the shoe was on the other foot, and "conservatives" seemed even more unwilling to question controlled media narratives than "liberals":
One of the most disturbing moments to me was the "we must give up our liberty for freedom" phase post 9/11, where it became obvious the USA was well on its way to being manipulated into becoming something far more Orwellian and tyrannical. The majority of mainstream "conservatives" traumatized by the 9/11 attack and media presentation of it, regardless of whether it was a predictable response to prior zionist warmongering by vengeful jihadi hijackers or whether it was an Israeli false flag attack, bought the controlled media's version of the story and were notably unwilling to listen to any opposing views. They didn't want to hear about anything from whether the government really should become an open mass-surveillance police state, or whether the US and NATO should be involved in "forever wars" from that point onward.

Fast forward to the present time, and after decades of zionist warmongering and economic terrorism, over 30 million Middle Easterners are dead, millions of them are swarming as refugees into 'Western' countries after their own nations were destroyed, and the USSA is now a debauched carnival of cultural degeneracy with an openly bolshevik regime currently in office. At the moment, the libs are openly and overwhelmingly hostile to actual free speech online or offline, and any credit I once gave to "liberals" for anti-war sentiments were fully scrapped back during the liberal "President Barack Obama" circle jerk, during which time his regime kept up the mass-murdering zionist warmongering and terrorism of his neocon predecessors, notably the destruction of Libya and Ghaddafi (who was apparently raped and sodomized with a knife before being killed, before Hillary boasted about the event).
Now the libs are taking up the corporate media's promotion of war with Russia, and trying to censor anyone trying to share information outside controlled media outlets, fully buying the "misinformation" and "hate speech" ploy...

But what will happen next? If the pendulum swings back right, will a rightist regime be so easily manipulated?
Not quite as much, I don't think, since the right has its angry ideologues, but at least has the "fringe" and libertarian leaning elements that won't tolerate "mandates", lockdowns, or eliminating free speech. So the rightwing politicians have to at least try to appear to appease them to some degree in order to secure their votes. (I noticed the anti-vaxxers and Alex Jones types were quick to lash out against Trump quite heatedly when he seemed to tow the line on the vaccine safety/efficacy story, so that's some sliver of hope.)
But I fear it still may be all to easy to manipulate "the West" and therefore NATO military forces into a mass war by demonizing and scapegoating China, whatever the theoretic real faults of that regime may be. There isn't even a single rightist mainstream news outlet other than Fox Jews, which (from what I've seen) leans heavily toward the demonization of China. I'm no fan of the authoritarianism there, but fear that may be the angle elites would use to manipulate the public into another world war, if they don't manage it first with the escalation of the manufactured conflict in Ukraine...
We shall see!

[Lucas88]

I have had exactly the same experience with right wingers, consistently. I don't think it's exclusive to leftists, not in my experience at least. I've had a lot of debate with right wingers over the years, and they consistently resort to insults, mocking, denying research and denying history. (I made it a point of principle never to resort to the same, so they weren't simply reciprocating.)

I've come to the conclusion that's just how ideologues work, nothing unique about it to any community of political ideology. Both treat 'out-groups' or people who disagree with them to poor treatment. That's just how ideologues behave, IME.

Like I said though, I believe liberals and conservatives are 2 sides of the same centrist coin. Both support the military industrial complex, transhumanism, and financial sanctioning. Both believe that the the other is 'the problem'. Both support Zionism. Both believe that gender or race are the key issues of our current civilization.

I totally agree with your analysis that both sides of the mainstream political spectrum are instruments of the same hidden Zionist elite and push the same nefarious agendas under slightly different guises and I also understand your sentiment with regard to the political right. It is true that there are also right-wingers who are likewise dogmatic and obnoxious, especially the rich asshole types who think that they're a class above everyone else and the dumb racist redneck types who promote white supremacy and hatred of all other races. However, I've personally found the left as a cohort to be much worse than the right by and large (I don't strongly identify with either the left or the right, just for the record).

Let's take a look at the current social climate. Who is pushing all of the degenerate crap with regard to gender and other twisted and perverse social trends? The left. Who is calling for extreme censorship everywhere and the demonization and ostracism of everybody who doesn't go along with mainstream narratives? Again it's primarily the left and its army of mentally unstable loons.

Even though the right is largely ignorant of the bigger picture and is therefore manipulated too, I'd be willing to bet that that demographic still has a far greater number of decent people than the left. The left on the other hand is a bastion of indecency and seems to attract mostly degenerates and all of the worst kinds of weirdos. Its brand of "critical theory" seeks to deconstruct all traditional values and existing social institutions as supposed instruments of oppression and then invert them or replace them with all kinds of corruption and so this is to be expected.

Also in my experience the left is far more authoritarian and intolerant. This is because leftism has always been since its inception an ideology of class conflict and has therefore promoted a militant attitude towards all divergent viewpoints as well as a high degree of hostile iconoclasm and incivility. In short, violence, hatred and resentment are inherent to the spirit of the left.

At least on the right side of the political spectrum there is a certain libertarian contingent who is opposed to censorship, political correctness, the erosion of freedom and government tyranny. I have told myself that I am prepared to put political differences aside and accept as a brother in arms anybody who is earnest in their desire to fight against the New World Order and its envisioned Great Reset. As of now I predict that the libertarian types of the right will make the best allies in our necessary struggle for freedom. I also suspect that the left will be the dystopian Great Reset's most fervent supporters.

[shawnberwick]

@WilliamSmith

Great points.

@Lucas88

Just for the record, I believe that Zionism is only one part of the deep state.

I agree with you that there is a strong Libertarian leaning element within Conservatism in comparison to Liberalism. I've posted on Twitter about how the left have gone from Black Lives Matter to supporting the funding of literal Neo-Nazis in Ukraine.

IME the political ideologues that I've found are the most principled are the Agorists (which consistent of Left-Libertarians and Right-Libertarians). Conservatives I've found really do have a limit, and will still support the Military Industrial Complex's demonization of Chinese people like Mercer points out.

[shawnberwick]

@Mercer

I'm glad that their mask is off regarding Twitter. Orwell is spinning in his grave when people are saying that free speech is bad for democracy.

As much as Matrix Resurrections was Lana Wachowski trying to piss off Warner Bros executives, I came to the same conclusion as The Analyst in the movie: The majority of people literally do not want freedom (or simply don't care). As long as they have bread and a circus they don't care if they have freedom or not, in fact I believe that the majority of people aren't rabid leftists calling for censorship, I believe that the majority don't care either way about civil liberties and just care about sustenance, dating, relationships, friendships and entertainment.

I'm increasingly uninterested in politics too, I'm honestly only care about creating freedom for myself. The compliance or active support of the authoritarianism and attempted medical apartheid during 2020 and 2022, led me to the conclusion that only a small minority of the planet value freedom. I had made the mistake in believing that my value system was objective and innate, and I realize that people simply have different value system where freedom isn't high on the hierarchy. (I'm excluding a lot of people in developing nations, where some governments made it law that some people literally could not work or leave the county to put food on their table unless they took the jab. People in developed nations aren't likely to be gunned down in the street for resisting, and yet the majority of people complied or actively supported medical apartheid and lockdowns.)

[flowerthief00]

Leftists aren't the only ones who are insane. Have you had a look at what some people post around here? (this place leans right so hard it's off the charts)

[flowerthief00]

Oh I agree. That's why I hang around here. For all that I criticize Winston (I find it completely pointless to engage with him in debate), I do sincerely appreciate that he's running a free speech site here. They have indeed become rare.

[WilliamSmith]

Leftists aren't the only ones who are insane. Have you had a look at what some people post around here? (this place leans right so hard it's off the charts)

@flowerthief00
LOL, if you're thinking of the jewish/zionist/communist issue, I remember when I was like you in this respect:
You've taken the red pill on the vaccine mandate insanity already yourself, but keep falling back on the "anyone who believes [insert thing out of your own comfort zone at current date] must obviously be insane to believe in such a thing" reaction, but this is because you haven't done the actual research that we've done.

I have no idea about flat-earth theories or whether reality is a matrix simulation of reptilian moon bases that some threads talk about (since I've never looked into them yet, due to time shortages), and there is no question there are a lot of nutcase right wingers, but when it comes to the assertion that "globalist/zionist" jews are a central problem:

Do the actual research on the key subjects by reading the well-documented research.
Here or here, for instance (though obviously not the only sources that avoid unbacked claims or religious positions):
https://www.unz.com/page/american-pravda-series/
https://nationaljusticeparty.com/2021/0 ... e-crisis//
I prefer sources like these because a lot of us who are critical thinkers tend to discount claims by religious people or groups, and Unz and that other article aren't religious at all.

Alternately, you can refuse to read the documented research and choose to believe that all goy from David Duke to Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam to Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad to the countless Arabians, Chinese, and Russians (or me and Varg Vikernes among other "lone wolf" types, LOL) all believe the things Unz and others outline in their extensively documented work due to the inherently irrational and insane "antisemitism," which an amazing number of jews actually assert exists in the DNA of all non-jews.
If you do that, however, the problem then becomes how to explain the veritable small army of jewish historical revisionists like Unz and the jewish "holocaust deniers" who are claiming the same things about jews, "globalist/zionists," etc.

Another thing to ask if you believe we're all just insane, is:
Why do we blame jews as being responsible? Why not blame it all on Laotians, for example, or (better yet) on those Pacific Islanders who would probably be even easier to outrun than the comparatively slim and fit Laotians.
Is it just possible that we might actually be right because we've actually done more actual research outside the lies of controlled mainstream narratives?