About Time I Left As Well... (Yick)

[HenryGeorge]

Btw u guys all gotta take collective responsibility for the trolls here too. When u feed them they grow and stay. Like weeds. It takes two or more to create a fight too. You could have just put people like spencer on ignore but u didnt. So u all gotta take responsibility. And admit that you all collectively contributed to it. Had u not fed any trolls they would die from lack of attention and dissipate. But u fed them. Plus it takes two or more to make a conflict here. So u all gotta acknowledge your role too. We all do. We all share collective blame and guilt for it. We can't just blame one or two people or scapegoats. We gotta be real about that.

Exactly. It's pretty easy to ignore people here you don't like, don't feed into it, it's that simple...

[statnerd]

Hahahaha. Yuck is obsessed with me!!

Maybe he's too cowardly to actually leave the forum or more likely, he never really intended to leave in the first place and just wants some attention. LOL

[yick]

Hahahaha. Yuck is obsessed with me!!

Maybe he's too cowardly to actually leave the forum or more likely, he never really intended to leave in the first place and just wants some attention. LOL

To be fair, you started this conversation, I am just replying to you. Or am I wrong?

All, what I have said is true, you haven't done any research, your plans are going to go to shite - never mind. Just another big-timer - all mouth, no trousers and even less of a clue.

Yeah, I am the coward, I am not the one scared to ask for some girls phone number and make a load of excuses why I couldn't do it.

[hypermak]

Hahahaha. Yuck is obsessed with me!!

Maybe he's too cowardly to actually leave the forum or more likely, he never really intended to leave in the first place and just wants some attention. LOL

To be fair, you started this conversation, I am just replying to you.

All, what I have said is true, you haven't done any research, your plans are going to go to shite - never mind. Just another big-timer - all mouth, no trousers and even less of a clue.

Yeah, I am the coward, I am not the one scared to ask for some girls phone number and make a load of excuses why I couldn't do it.

Actually @yick, on second thought, we shouldn't really leave yet.

There is still plenty of entertainment value in this little circus. For instance, let's see if @Spencer will magically reappear, now that he proved everybody that his only reason to be in here was to try and drive me away.

[yick]

Hahahaha. Yuck is obsessed with me!!

Maybe he's too cowardly to actually leave the forum or more likely, he never really intended to leave in the first place and just wants some attention. LOL

To be fair, you started this conversation, I am just replying to you.

All, what I have said is true, you haven't done any research, your plans are going to go to shite - never mind. Just another big-timer - all mouth, no trousers and even less of a clue.

Yeah, I am the coward, I am not the one scared to ask for some girls phone number and make a load of excuses why I couldn't do it.

Actually @yick, on second thought, we shouldn't really leave yet.

There is still plenty of entertainment value in this little circus. Let's see if @Spencer will be back with his 22-plus proof (+15 brand new one from @Winston) to bash @publicduende thinking it's me...

We should go when we're good and ready @hypermak for some reason they think they have been cheated out of our exit

Spencer must have took a ban, no way he keeps quiet about this!

[yick]

Hahahaha. Yuck is obsessed with me!!

Maybe he's too cowardly to actually leave the forum or more likely, he never really intended to leave in the first place and just wants some attention. LOL

To be fair, you started this conversation, I am just replying to you.

All, what I have said is true, you haven't done any research, your plans are going to go to shite - never mind. Just another big-timer - all mouth, no trousers and even less of a clue.

Yeah, I am the coward, I am not the one scared to ask for some girls phone number and make a load of excuses why I couldn't do it.

Actually @yick, on second thought, we shouldn't really leave yet.

There is still plenty of entertainment value in this little circus. Let's see if @Spencer will be back with his 22-plus proof (+15 brand new one from @Winston) to bash @publicduende thinking it's me...

We should go when we're good and ready @hypermak for some reason they think they have been cheated out of our exit

Spencer must have took a ban, no way he keeps quiet about this!

[hypermak]

We should go when we're good and ready @hypermak for some reason they think they have been cheated out of our exit

I am quite bored, actually...and this is indeed quite entertaining

Spencer must have took a ban, no way he keeps quiet about this!

I'm sure our "master hacker" will figure out another alter ego to entertain us all.

[yick]

We should go when we're good and ready @hypermak for some reason they think they have been cheated out of our exit

I am quite bored, actually...and this is indeed quite entertaining

Spencer must have took a ban, no way he keeps quiet about this!

I'm sure our "master hacker" will figure out another alter ego to entertain us all.

I hope not! he was an all time low even for this place!

[hypermak]

I hope not! he was an all time low even for this place!

Maybe we should inspire Winston to take the forum to a different game.





Publicduende Edition!

[Winston]

To be honest, i dont think yick and hypermak will really leave. The reason is very simple.

You see for all its faults and flaws the HA forum is still a very authentic forum where u can be yourself and speak your mind. Theres an authenticity about it that other forums lack. So when u leave the forum u will miss that and return. Because other forums dont have that. U cant be yourself and say whatever u want on other forums. Not even on the roosh forum. That authentic vibe where u can be yourself is priceless and makes up for all its flaws. Its kind of like being in Russia.

Just like when u leave Russia u will miss it too. Because for all its flaws and problems, Russia is a very authentic culture and vibe where u can be yourself and not feel like a creep or criminal. The authenticity is like nothing u can ever experience in America. So u will always miss it.

For instance the vibe in Russia is a 1000 percent different than America. U feel free to say and do what you want and to be yourself. Nothing feels awkward. No social anxiety. Its a spiritual freedom that is hard to put into words. So when u leave Russia you always miss it. There might be a lot of trolls, scammers, gold diggers and rude people in Russia but you miss that feeling where u can be yourself and hit on any girl u like without feeling like a criminal or creep. That's priceless and hard to put into words. You know what i mean @ladislav?

Therefore once youre uses to the vibe abroad u can never get used to America again. Youre always in a state of reverse culture shock.

The HA forum is like that in a way. The authenticity and honesty and freedom to express yourself here, including your quirks and eccentricity, is priceless. You will miss it while you're away. Therefore even if u leave u will eventually come back.

Im sure if u ask @MarcosZeitola and hes honest, he will admit that he came back for that reason too.

[Moretorque]

Just like when u leave Russia u will miss it too. Because for all its flaws and problems, Russia is a very authentic culture and vibe where u can be yourself and not feel like a creep or criminal. The authenticity is like nothing u can ever experience in America. So u will always miss it.

For instance the vibe in Russia is a 1000 percent different than America. U feel free to say and do what you want and to be yourself. Nothing feels awkward. No social anxiety. Its a spiritual freedom that is hard to put into words. So when u leave Russia you always miss it. There might be a lot of trolls, scammers, gold diggers and rude people in Russia but you miss that feeling where u can be yourself and hit on any girl u like without feeling like a criminal or creep. That's priceless and hard to put into words. You know what i mean @ladislav?

They are not attempting to do a Marxist revolution like they are here in America.

[hypermak]

To be honest, i dont think yick and hypermak will really leave. The reason is very simple.

One take what they can. I can't speak for @yick but, as far as I am concerned I have been using this forum to improve my writing and debating skills. For as much as you want to see my English as suspicious ("as good as Publicduende's", it seems), I can only be flattered about it.

My profession is an extremely hectic and fast-paced one. A couple of friends from the City were joking with me a few years ago, that a 5-star kitchen is the closest it gets to a trading floor in the City or Wall Street, with the exception that what gets cooked is not order books and the results are far more palatable

Yet, it's all about speaking and there isn't much of a chance to practice writing. The past few months being basically out of work and constantly banging head with my senile "nemesis" Contrarian Expatriate has improved my written/debating skills faster than the previous 7/8 years ever did. If I didn't have this kind of incentive, I would have probably lost interest in CE's constant bragging and personal attacks far, far earlier.

So, at least for me, the reason why I might stick around from time to time is that this is a very good gym for my English skills, as well as mildly entertaining if I ever were to get a dry spell like this again in my life!

You and some other members can think whatever you want about me, I won't care as much as if you give me a chance to post, reply, debate...in other words, if you engage with me. I will obviously try to do the same, within the boundaries of a civilised conversation so long I don't get unfairly and brutally provoked, like in CE's and (more recently) Spencer's cases.

You see for all its faults and flaws the HA forum is still a very authentic forum where u can be yourself and speak your mind. Theres an authenticity about it that other forums lack. So when u leave the forum u will miss that and return. Because other forums dont have that. U cant be yourself and say whatever u want on other forums. Not even on the roosh forum. That authentic vibe where u can be yourself is priceless and makes up for all its flaws. Its kind of like being in Russia.

Just like when u leave Russia u will miss it too. Because for all its flaws and problems, Russia is a very authentic culture and vibe where u can be yourself and not feel like a creep or criminal. The authenticity is like nothing u can ever experience in America. So u will always miss it.

For instance the vibe in Russia is a 1000 percent different than America. U feel free to say and do what you want and to be yourself. Nothing feels awkward. No social anxiety. Its a spiritual freedom that is hard to put into words. So when u leave Russia you always miss it. There might be a lot of trolls, scammers, gold diggers and rude people in Russia but you miss that feeling where u can be yourself and hit on any girl u like without feeling like a criminal or creep. That's priceless and hard to put into words. You know what i mean @ladislav?

Therefore once youre uses to the vibe abroad u can never get used to America again. Youre always in a state of reverse culture shock.

The HA forum is like that in a way. The authenticity and honesty and freedom to express yourself here, including your quirks and eccentricity, is priceless. You will miss it while you're away. Therefore even if u leave u will eventually come back.

Im sure if u ask @MarcosZeitola and hes honest, he will admit that he came back for that reason too.

I can't speak about Russia as I have never been there but, from the latter part of these paragraphs, you seem to paint HA as a heaven of free speech. Well, yes, it's an unmoderated, or very loosely moderated forum, that's true. Yet, when it comes to some members' openness to understand, let alone embrace, other people's experiences, ideas, opinions, perspectives...the situation is more closely resembling a bleak purgatory, if not hell itself.

Look at the way the few (happily) married posters, like @MrMan or, among the old and glorious, @davewe and @pete98146, get treated by those who are absolutely convinced that marriage is a one-way to self-destruction. This, despite never being married and despite having proof of decent marriages, with all their ups and downs, at least with foreign girls.

Look at the way some posters, including yourself unfortunately, react against other posters who simply disagree with them. Again, not making names as you know who I am referring to. They twist and bend their original words saying that they got it all wrong, they are unable to understand the original arguments because of their limited age, experience, or intellect. That is the textbook definition of gaslighting: manipulate someone by psychological means into questioning their own sanity.

It never strikes some of you that people not agreeing with you are not retarded, mentally insane or immature: they have simply had a different upbringing, different experiences, they made different life choices and enjoyed/suffered different consequences, they perhaps have a different personality and take on life.

One might assume that this kind of healthy clash of minds and ideas is at the basis of a successful community, whether online or offline. Apparently, in HA's case, it's not. It seems to be all about those who shout the loudest or drag around their weight the most. In your case Winston, of course you are the one with the highest relative weight as you are the founder of the HA movement and the forum owner.

Of course you did have your baggage of travel and "happier abroad" experiences, especially in your younger years, so you have something to show for. Of course your life has been unique and remarkable, in some aspects. All good. However, and here is where you fall prey of your ego, or pride, or stubborness, of whatever you want to call it...you having your experiences doesn't negate other people's experiences.

You having your golden HA experiences in Russia doesn't negate the beauty or quality of a serene life as a husband and a father. CE having his investments and sugar babies (assuming it's all true) doesn't negate that someone could feel a strong sense of purpose even with a fraction of his (alleged) wealth, or doing a work that they (mostly) enjoy doing. Or it doesn't negate that some people could have very decent fun by hooking up with girls who don't look like Ukraine nordic goddesses. And so on.

In other terms, I like and I am often intrigued by the contents you often post about conspiracy theories, spirituality, philosophy and other deep topics. However, without a proper debate, HA risks looking more a poor man's Wikipedia than a forum where people share and debate their experience, without prejudices and preconceptions, and without indulging too much in personal attacks and pointless pissing contests.

[hypermak]

Im sure if u ask @MarcosZeitola and hes honest, he will admit that he came back for that reason too.

If @MarcosZeitola has something to say, he will be back to say it. Of that, you can be sure

[hypermak]

Sure, I have something to say, @Hypermak. Not an awful lot, mind you, @Winston. Just a few words. I've come back and left again several times over the years. I never seem to be away too long, but I also never seem to stick around too long. Lately, you - Winston - have begun sending me private messages, asking for me to return. A few times now, I have. But I am reminded, time and time again, of why I left in the first place.

As I write this, I just had a nice little evening with Mrs. Zeitola. In fact, we made love a mere twenty minutes prior. Life is good. I'm happy. In a good mood. So I'm not going to give out harsh criticisms, I am not going to argue what needs to change in this forum. Or advise who should or should not be blocked; even though the community overwhelmingly seems tired of PAG/Spencer and no one wants him around for reasons other than principle. Anyway... I'm tired, man. Of the debates. The arguments.

Hypermak, you want to improve your English? Go on Quora. I'm on it, too. Siged up last year. The community is far more diverse, and the audience larger and more interactive. And, get this... some of them are GIRLS. Even Filipinas, the educated ones, the ones who love to read or discuss politics. Chatted a few cute ones there, too. Strictly cordial of course haha. But yeah, go there. Leave this sausage fest. It's good fun. And I've written a bit about the Philippines myself there and found the articles were rather well-received even by Filipinos.

I've improved my skills, too, in a variety of ways. None of that improvement took place in HappierAbroad, I'm afraid. Met some cool guys, made a few friends. But the effort far outweighs the benefits for me, and like others who grow tired of this place, I never was much of a loner. So I don't need the social aspect. Also, Winston, I can be free and open with my friends, too. Hell, you should hear the offensive jokes me and Mrs. Zeitola exchange. She's politically incorrect to the point of making Hitler blush.

You guys have a good one. Hypermak, Winston, @Yick. Everyone. I think I'm about to leave, too. Maybe I will check in somewhere around, 2021, 2022? Or maybe never. Maybe Taco's right and the rapture's upon us. Maybe @Cornfed's right and it's the end of the world, Ragnarok, race war, whatever... We'll see. Either way I wish you all a great time in life, and outside of this dying little corner of the internet.

@MarcosZeitola

Happy to see you have taken something from this place, as well as giving. I know you are a busy father and you'd rather spend time with your kids, your wife and your inlaws than be online.

I will follow your advice and create an account on Quora. I have checked it out a few times as a guest. It's a platform where people provide "qualified" answers to questions, right? Maybe I could answer some questions about haute cuisine and food preparation and storage I wouldn't consider myself an authority on anything else, really.

You take care, too, my friend!

[Winston]

Hypermak, you dont make much sense. If u just wanna practice your English you could do it on any forum. Even by email with pen pals. Or on reddit. Even on the rooshv forum. Come on admit it. You're here because theres something unique and refreshing about free speech and authenticity. You also like seeing people speak freely without political correctness or censorship.

Marcos, if youre on quora why not post a link to this site and ask the members if the claims on my homepage are true or not. Lol. That would help and get our message out there.

The questions on quora seem very short. You cant make several points.

Why not use yahoo answers?

I have noticed several quora threads about foreign women vs american women though. Im surprised they were allowed. The answers even said foreign women had better attitudes toward men and were not spoiled. Etc.