Yohan wrote: ↑October 7th, 2018, 11:14 pm
Not really in the past, but nowadays situation is different. Times are changing.
MGTOW means only 'men going their own way' and how they do it is up to them.
I think you are the only person I have come across who defines MGTOW that way. Most MGTOWs think it is somehow for a wrong to marry. Getting married overseas in a state more friendly toward men runs against other MGTOWs philosophy that I have encountered. MGTOWs seem to be either into living as hermits or being players. Or somewhere in between-- living without women but going to prostitutes, etc. every so often.
In one MGTOW video I saw online, a man would have liked to have gotten married and had children, but if he did, he reasoned the risks of losing his money was so high, he did not want to take the risk. IMO, that's a really warped set of priorities in life combined with some serious pessimism. Divorce rates are high in the US. Divorce rates are lower for those who marry foreign wives, religious people who attend services regularly, couples where the woman was a virgin at marriage, etc. Divorce rates, the last I heard, were a lot lower for men who married women from overseas. I wouldn't expect that to hold up so much for Russians, and men who marry Filippinas they just met who asked them for money online without some sensible screening. There is also the option of marrying and living overseas-- which I have done for part of my life. My wife and I have bounced around between the US and overseas depending on what we had growing on.
If MGTOWs were really into men going their own way, they would not be deadset against marriage under any circumstances. You seem to be an exception, but I don't think you are representative of this movement on the Internet of men that call themselves MGTOW.
Contrarian seems like an extremist, kind of like a brainwahsed hard-core Communist from the early 1900's, with a bleak, dismal, lifeless philosophy. Except his is just a different cold, lifeless philosophy.
What I do not understand however is why those men - like Mr. Man and also Winston - go back from where they come from, continue to live in Western countries despite they are aware of all those problems. Honestly, I do not think to bring a foreign wife back to Western countries is a good way to go (Mr. Man). It's also not a good solution to keep a foreign wife in her own country but to continue to live in USA (Winston).
I have done both. I am in the US at a moment. My wife and I are getting closer and closer to the 20 year mark of marriage, and she hasn't backstabbed me and divorced me. She knows its wrong to do so. If you have the same values it helps.
You cannot have both - either you are gone abroad and live with foreign women and no return - or you stay in your own native Western country.
What if a man wants to go his own way, and his own way is to bring a wife back from Russia, the Filippines, Indonesia, etc? If MGTOW is about men going their own way, what's wrong with that? It is even a little counter-cultural to get a wife from abroad.
Why did Mr. Man not continue to live in Indonesia with his local wife? And if there are economic reasons, visa problems etc., why did he not move on to nearby, like to Singapore? If he is a qualified English teacher, such jobs are everywhere...
English teaching was a couple of advanced degrees ago. I do not want to do that, not for a living at least. I might do a little volunteer work someday in the ELS arena. It doesn't pay that well to do it for a living. Singapore is probably not a really good place for ESL. Many of them speak English there, already. And you'd have to live in that kind of economy on an English teacher's salary. English teacher salaries are inflated compared to other salaries in some Asian countries.
If we really avoided behaviors that had any risks at all, we wouldn't drive or cross the street. There has to be some statistic out there for the number of drivers or street-crossers who get hit by a car. If you cross the street, you are trusting the guy at the red light not to hit the gas and kill you. You put your life in the hands of other people by driving or crossing the street. It's more risky than getting married if you look at what you are risking-- your life as opposed to half your assets. Divorce could bring heartbreak, too. But if MGTOWs are as cold-hearted toward women as CE portrays himself to be, then that's not a real risk anyway. There is a lot of 'value' to having someone you love who cares about you. You take care of each other. My wife cooks for me. If I want sex, I don't have to go out to a club and pick up a young woman or pay a girl on a sugar daddy website and go through a lot of trouble.
If a man wants to have kids, there is no really good MGTOW way to do it. If you pay a surrogate and raise the kid, the kid doesn't have a real mother in the home-- unless you hire the surrogate, then that's more complicated than marriage. If she lives with mom, then he pays child support-- just like the divorce situation. And kids raised without a father in the home are at risk of many things statistically.
About this topic,
If you had a daughter (Question: Where, in Western countries?), what percentage of men from this group would you allow to date her?
Let me say, I really do not WANT to date any Western girl, honestly. Out of many reasons. Before you 'allow' her to date me, you better ask me first if I agree dating her - it works both ways and men also have the right to say NO. To tell you straight away, I am not even willing to try. Too many bad experiences in my life. For sure many in this HA-Forum share my opinion.
Okay, I won't ask you to date my daughter.
