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Has Hitler been overly demonized/vilified and not as bad as we were told?

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Re: Has Hitler been overly demonized beyond what he deserves

Post by Winston » June 8th, 2015, 11:47 pm

If anyone wants to understand Hitler, get this DVD:



Understanding Hitler

The question of Why is often asked when the name of Hitler is heard. People watch documentaries on television that show what he did and when but they never explain Why.

This new documentary explores Hitler's motivations and the needs of the people of Germany which catapulted Hitler to power. You can finally understand why the people of Germany would follow Hitler, not because they were forced to, but because they wanted to. You will also discover what drove hitler so passionately and why he truly believed he was saving the world.

This Special Edition Video(59 minutes) includes the full Understanding Hitler documentary plus five additional Nazi propaganda movies, an audio section explaining the history and impact of Mein Kampf and a sample reading from Mein Kampf. If you like documentaries about what Hitler did then you will truly enjoy this documentary which explains his motivation and drive in a way never before revealed.

This special edition also includes a second documentary(60 minutes) titled The Secret Life Of Hitler which contains the only known video footage of Hitler's sister, Paula. Other content includes original propaganda films and an explanation of Mein Kampf.
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Re: Has Hitler been overly demonized beyond what he deserves

Post by Winston » June 24th, 2015, 1:14 pm

Some interesting books you should all check out that presents an alternate view of Hitler and the situation from his point of view.



The Triumph of Reason - The Thinking Man's Guide to Adolf Hitler

Adolf Hitler has undoubtedly received more publicity than any other world figure, dead or alive. His persona, that of his political colleagues, his political party; the rise and combined Capitalist/Communist destruction fall of the Third Reich, have led to the publication of - at the latest count - 120,000 different titles. Virtually all of them are the preposterous re-cycled one-sided propaganda of the victors. This absence of objectivity is equalled only by the difficulty of discovering first-hand what the German Leader actually said or thought. It is as if we sit in a court room in which the defendant, defence counsel and defence witnesses have been excluded. This publication provides a rare opportunity to examine the authentic first hand expressions uttered by the German leader, who won the hearts and minds of millions of Europeans.

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This book clearly sets forth the true historical background that ...

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This book clearly sets forth the true historical background that Germany had to deal with. As many should know by now, the historical narrative regarding WWI, and WWII is nothing more than blatant lies for the last 70 years.

In order to mask the horrific slaughter of the Christian Russian people, and the subsequent ruin of eastern Europe by Stalin's willing communist butchers, all the while SUPPORTED, as well as FINANCED by England, and the United States, the endless demonization of Germany continues un-abated.

This never ending train of Lies, and slander is present in every public school, college history courses, and so-called "Christian" churches.
This false narrative is simply part and parcel of brainwashing the public mind, in order to set the stage for the coming tyranny, aka, the New World Order.
Every person desiring to understand the world we live in today, must first understand the last 100 years of war upon war foisted off on a public as necessary to secure "Peace." This mantra is aptly described in Orwell's "1984", with the slogan "War is Peace."

The U.S. government is continuously wailing about one boogeyman after another, all as a pretext to invading sovereign nations, bringing utter ruin and death without end.

WWII was just a planned continuation to WWI. The entire process was carried out by network of powerful political leaders, military leaders, bankers, financiers, and media moguls, for years and years.

This book is just one of many well written historical analysis of what took place in the years of 1933 to 1947.

It is time for American men and women to "wake the Hell UP!"

John




The Bad War: The Truth NEVER Taught About World War II

245 Pages / 500 Illustrations During the 75 years that have now passed since the end of the grand history-altering event known as World War II, only a single narrative of the great conflict has been heard. It is a story which the architects of the New World Order have implanted, no, POUNDED into the minds of three subsequent generations. Every medium of mass indoctrination has been harnessed to the task of training the obedient masses as to what the proper view of this event should be. Academia, news media, public education, book publishing, TV documentaries, Hollywood films, clergymen and politicians of every stripe all sing the same song. You know the familiar lyrics: “Led by Adolf Hitler; Germany, Italy and Japan tried to enslave the planet. The “good guys” of the “world community”, led by Franklin Delano Roosevelt (FDR) and Winston Churchill, banded together and stopped them. Literally, not a day seems to pass without some sort of media reference to this incomplete and simplistic narrative; a story which oh-so-conveniently ignores the previous decades of critical history leading up to World War II, omits vital information from the actual war years, and outright fabricates lie after lie after lie. Indeed, the “official story” amounts to a manufactured mendacity of such mountainous dimensions that the human mind will have a hard time processing the actual truth of the grand event, no matter how compelling the case may be. Isn’t it time you heard a different tune; at least for your consideration? Haven't you ever at least been curious as to what "the other side of the World War II story" was? If so, you ought to have a look at 'The Bad War', a heavily illustrated epic timeline that will transport you back to the mid 1800's; and then lead you on an exciting "you are there" journey right up through both World War I and World War II. Well-written, entertaining, and meticulously documented, 'The Bad War' is unique for its ability to condense so much real history into just 245 attention-riveting, illustration-rich pages. But do be forewarned. Your worldview may never be the same.

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Finally, an accurate account of the events of World War II

By Gary on February 14, 2015
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As I grew up and was taught about world events, specifically World War II, there were a number of points that just didn't hang together. I believed that I was being told the truth, but certain things just didn't add up. Now I know why! Many of the puzzles that I had for most of my life regarding historical events of the 20th century now make sense after reading Mike King's book.

Beware! The truth is what it is, and certain aspects of WWII are quite disturbing. We were supposed to be the "good guys", Hitler was supposed to be the "most evil person ever", but that's not how it really was. No wonder Gen George S. Patton said, "We fought on the wrong side!"
Learning the truth about events of then, will help you in understanding the events unfolding today.
"He who does not understand history is doomed to repeat it" (attributed to Edmund Burke)

The book is a fast read, no excess verbage to fluff it out. Certainly not dry and boring, it held my interest and was hard to put down.
Having done a fair amount of prior research on my own, this book brings it all together, and I can attest to its accuracy.

I HIGHLY recommend it as an antidote to the poison of lies and half truths we've been fed all our lives.

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After 70 years, we still have ALL-Lies…

By Spiritus Gladius on February 13, 2015
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For 70 years now, we have been bombarded with the false narrative that WWII was the ”just” war fought on the part of the allies, and that the good guys won. After reading Mr. King’s excellent book on the subject, you might think otherwise. As it turns out, it appears that the good guys don’t always win. What makes this book so convincing is its step by step methodical and well documented chronology of events that goes all the way back to the mid-19th century. Each event is thoroughly covered, and includes key dates, individuals, important quotations and descriptive illustrations. This book would be a perfect book for someone of any age, including school children, and it would be a welcome addition to counter the prevailing propaganda that is still taught to American children AND adults. Why is wartime propaganda still being taught 70 years after the war ENDED? That is the million dollar question. If you sincerely do your research, you will discover that the answer directly relates to events that are occurring today, and that is why WWII is still very important to understand, and is still relevant. This book is a great introduction to the subject and should be on every serious history student’s bookshelf.

More and more, authors are writing books like this, some call this historical revisionism, I simply call it the truth. The author shows great courage by writing this book, and it is really pathetic, given all the universities in this country, and all the thousands of teachers and professors in those universities, you can count on one hand the amount of historians that actually will write the truth about WWII. We live in an age where criminals rule our country and most of the west for that matter. They will continue with their lies, unjust wars, corruption and death until more people wake up to this fact. Books like “The Bad War”, can definitely help remedy this situation.
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Re: Has Hitler been overly demonized beyond what he deserves

Post by Moretorque » June 24th, 2015, 2:34 pm

Thankyou Winston.
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Re: Has Hitler been overly demonized beyond what he deserves

Post by Winston » November 27th, 2015, 3:50 am

Henry Makow's article about Hitler being a British or Illuminati agent.

http://www.henrymakow.com/001399.html

Was Hitler an Illuminati Agent?

Greg Hallett's book "Hitler Was A British Agent" depicts war as a ghoulish illusion conjured by occult magicians in order to degrade and eventually enslave humanity in world government.

Hallett's claim that Hitler was a "British" agent is based on the testimony of a shadowy network of retired intelligence agents. While he fails to provide documentary proof, Hallett does offer persuasive circumstantial evidence.

For example, Adolph Hitler was in England in 1912-1913, a fact supported by his sister-in-law's book: "The Memoirs of Bridget Hitler"(1979). Many historians including Hitler biographer John Toland have ignored this startling information. (If Hallett is right, historians like Toland are guilty of sanitizing Hitler and actually making him more credible than he was.)

Hallett says Hitler spent February to November 1912 being brainwashed and trained at the British Military Psych-Ops War School at Tavistock in Devon and in Ireland. "War machines need war and [that means they need] funded, trained and supported double agents to be their patsies, their puppets and their puppet enemies," Hallett writes (38).

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Re: Has Hitler been overly demonized beyond what he deserves

Post by Winston » December 5th, 2015, 12:45 pm

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Finally, a book that brings justice and fairness to Hitler's side of WW2. A must read for any truth seeker and historian. The pictures of Hitler on the front cover of the book (above) sure make him look very kind and caring. Wow I never knew such positive photos of Hitler existed.



Mein Side of the Story: Key World War 2 Addresses of Adolf Hitler

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Our system of justice grants 'prima facie' murderers, rapists and serial killers the opportunity to speak, does it not? Indeed, convicted killers like Charles Manson, David ‘Son of Sam’ Berkowitz, Richard Speck, Jeffrey Dahmer and others have done televised interviews. Even the erroneous and dangerous ranting of Karl Marx is taught, no, glorified, in American Universities.

So, what is so gosh-darn dangerous about merely presenting the opinion of Hitler’s Germany? If that opinion is as evil and as fallacious as it is said to be, then why not present the full story, and then logically refute it? Truth is its own defense, so what is there to fear about simply hearing “the other side”? Do we really believe in “free speech” and “academic freedom” or do we not? Are we like retarded little children that need to be shielded from mere words? Or is somebody hiding something? Hmmm?

In the purportedly American belief that no one has the right to deprive you of access to information, the purpose of putting together 'Mein Side of the Story' is merely to present Germany’s version of the events in regard to the great catastrophic bloodbath known as World War II. This is Hitler’s side of the story, revealed in his own spoken and written words. Only the brief ‘Mein Side’ blurbs and captioned illustrations have been added. A pair of wartime addresses by German Foreign Minister von Ribbentrop and one from Japanese Emperor Hirohito are also included.

The speeches and writings are all 100% authentic. Some have been slightly abridged in order to avoid redundancy and to keep the booklet to a brief length. Modern “court historians” and journalists do not deny the content of these addresses. They can’t. Instead, they simply ignore them, childishly denouncing anyone who does attempt to resurrect them as “Nazi”, or “anti-Semitic”.

The common theme that runs throughout these addresses is that Germany, and also Japan, believed that World War II was imposed upon them. You don’t have to agree with that assessment. You don’t have to like it. In fact, you can even laugh at it. But it is their point-of-view, or at least, their stated point-of-view. It is a position that, until now, you have not been permitted to even hear. Indeed, it is only via the miracle of the Internet that these documents have again become accessible to those willing to snoop around and dig them up from the memory hole of buried history.

Do with these words as you will. Just don’t shoot your humble messenger for putting these highly interesting addresses together for your consideration.
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Re: Has Hitler been overly demonized beyond what he deserves

Post by Adama » December 5th, 2015, 8:03 pm

I think Hitler really loved the people, and they truly loved him. Unfortunately for the German soldiers of that generation, they adored him so much that they believed that he (Hitler) was their savior, rather than Jesus Christ. A cult of personality was built up around Hitler, and those people truly did love him. That is why Nationalist Socialism had to be completely and utterly destroyed. That is the only political party which has been absolutely decimated by the conquerors in modern history. Every other belief has been allowed to remain even after the victors have won. However, with Naionlist Socialism, it had to be completely eradicated. That's how dedicated the Germans were. Otherwise they feared Germany would rise again on its own.
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Re: Has Hitler been overly demonized beyond what he deserves

Post by fschmidt » December 5th, 2015, 8:15 pm

Winston, do you have any productive interests?

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Re: Has Hitler been overly demonized beyond what he deserves

Post by Winston » December 7th, 2015, 7:46 pm

fschmidt wrote:Winston, do you have any productive interests?
Sometimes. However:

1) Truth is more important than productivity.
2) Productivity is what the elite want you to be, so you can be useful to the economic enslavement system.
3) If you had a philosopher's soul, you'd know that truth and knowledge for the sake of it are a worthy goal in and of itself.
4) The truth about history is important, I'd argue, because if we find out that we had been lied about a historical event or person, even such as Hitler, then it should be exposed so that the elite can't get away with lying again. If people stop blindly believing authority on faith, they will be skeptical and ask questions and seek evidence, because truth is based on evidence, not authority. As a result, the elite can't deceive them. They cannot start unnecessary wars based on lies again and as a result have tons of unnecessary people die in them, like the 60,000 American casualties in Vietnam.

Do you see the big picture now? Why are you guys so narrow minded?
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Re: Has Hitler been overly demonized beyond what he deserves

Post by fschmidt » December 7th, 2015, 8:45 pm

So should my dogs spend their time seeking truth or watching for intruders and barking at them? The average person is not significantly brighter than my dogs, so why should the answer be different for them? The average person is capable of working in a factory, but not finding truth.

The road to hell is paved by morons seeking truth. In a stable sane society, morons just accept traditions that worked for their ancestors.

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Post by OutWest » December 8th, 2015, 1:32 am

fschmidt wrote:So should my dogs spend their time seeking truth or watching for intruders and barking at them? The average person is not significantly brighter than my dogs, so why should the answer be different for them? The average person is capable of working in a factory, but not finding truth.

The road to hell is paved by morons seeking truth. In a stable sane society, morons just accept traditions that worked for their ancestors.
+1...and you are being nice about it. Even the biggest of fools will claim to be a truth seeker. Events prove the wise. The fool spends his time trying to convince others how clever he is....

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Post by Winston » December 13th, 2015, 7:25 pm

fschmidt wrote:So should my dogs spend their time seeking truth or watching for intruders and barking at them? The average person is not significantly brighter than my dogs, so why should the answer be different for them? The average person is capable of working in a factory, but not finding truth.

The road to hell is paved by morons seeking truth. In a stable sane society, morons just accept traditions that worked for their ancestors.
So are you saying that it's better to be a dumb ignorant conformist who just follows tradition than a truth seeker? Do you not mind living in falsehoods and lies? Why is there no passion in your heart for truth? I guess it's true that truth isn't necessary for most people to function in society. All you need after all, is food, shelter, money, love, and a religion or something to believe in or worship. But where is your curiosity? Don't you wonder about the mysteries of the universe or who and what is running the world? And what the secrets of Freemasonry and the Illuminati are? Don't you care if you've been lied to? Don't you care if history is a lie or your beliefs aren't really true? Come on.

Btw, don't these images of Hitler melt your heart? Doesn't he look so kind, caring and compassionate?

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Winston wrote:So are you saying that it's better to be a dumb ignorant conformist who just follows tradition than a truth seeker?
For most people, yes. Tradition is likely to be closer to truth than the conclusions of an individual who is stupid or ignorant. If you want to seek truth as an individual, you must make sure that you have adequate intelligence and knowledge first.

I would say that the minimum intelligence should be the Mensa standard of being in the upper 2%. Intelligence is not static, it can be raised. Physical exercise is the first requirement, to make your mind active enough. Then comes mental exercise like math, chess, or Go.

Once one has adequate intelligence, one should start gaining knowledge. One should know math through calculus. Then study the sciences: physics, chemistry, and biology. And then comes history which can only be learned from primary sources. Secondary sources, like those you linked to in this thread, are worthless. After learning history, one is ready to start studying religion which is the last thing one should study.

All this is a lot of work, and isn't necessary for most people. Most people should simply pick an existing tradition and follow that.

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Re: Has Hitler been overly demonized beyond what he deserves

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Winston wrote:
fschmidt wrote:So should my dogs spend their time seeking truth or watching for intruders and barking at them? The average person is not significantly brighter than my dogs, so why should the answer be different for them? The average person is capable of working in a factory, but not finding truth.
The road to hell is paved by morons seeking truth. In a stable sane society, morons just accept traditions that worked for their ancestors.
So are you saying that it's better to be a dumb ignorant conformist who just follows tradition than a truth seeker? Do you not mind living in falsehoods and lies?
fschmidt set a semi straw man trap and you fell for it Winston. He postulated truth-seeker=moron.
Nobody is talking about the average person seeking truth. It's about Winston's OP and following a logical discussion and trying to acquire further information.

"In a stable sane society, morons just accept traditions that worked for their ancestors"

Thus an appreciation for NS traditionalism for the masses is logical, as opposed to morons seeking marxist "progress". See the logic?
fschmidt wrote: One should know math through calculus. Then study the sciences: physics, chemistry, and biology. And then comes history which can only be learned from primary sources. Secondary sources, like those you linked to in this thread, are worthless.
Calculus, math and other exact sciences, agree with that as they can be proved experimentally. But history is subjective and you sneak some deception here, I presume because of your obvious personal bias :wink: "Primary sources"? LMAO we all now which ones those are. You're either acting in good faith here and your logic is failing, or you are deliberately trying to swindle.
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Post by Winston » December 15th, 2015, 6:42 pm

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Winston wrote:So are you saying that it's better to be a dumb ignorant conformist who just follows tradition than a truth seeker?
For most people, yes. Tradition is likely to be closer to truth than the conclusions of an individual who is stupid or ignorant. If you want to seek truth as an individual, you must make sure that you have adequate intelligence and knowledge first.

I would say that the minimum intelligence should be the Mensa standard of being in the upper 2%. Intelligence is not static, it can be raised. Physical exercise is the first requirement, to make your mind active enough. Then comes mental exercise like math, chess, or Go.

Once one has adequate intelligence, one should start gaining knowledge. One should know math through calculus. Then study the sciences: physics, chemistry, and biology. And then comes history which can only be learned from primary sources. Secondary sources, like those you linked to in this thread, are worthless. After learning history, one is ready to start studying religion which is the last thing one should study.

All this is a lot of work, and isn't necessary for most people. Most people should simply pick an existing tradition and follow that.
Yes many traditions work for the masses. But what about stupid modern customs like having to buy a diamond ring in order to get engaged or married? That's a stupid 20th Century custom created by the diamond cartel and its marketers, which is totally unnecessary and a waste of a man's money and didn't exist before the 20th Century. Do you advocate following customs like that? Or the stupid 18th Century European tradition of pistol duels to settle personal feuds between two men? Do you support stuff like that? Or what about the Medieval feudal traditions where the peasant classes were oppressed and impoverished? Or the Catholic tradition of executing people who spoke out against it? Etc?

These are extreme examples, but you see what I mean. I'm sure most traditions were wise and based on good sound reason though. But don't you think that some traditions are outdated? Shouldn't you evaluate this on a case by case basis?

What? You don't need to be in the Mensa standard of being in the top 2 percent of intelligence to be a critical thinker or to study history or to read source documents. All you need is common sense and awareness and basic education in reading and writing. Besides, there are different types of intelligence. The education system considers students who memorize information quickly and repeats them on tests to be intelligent. Critical thinking intelligence is different from simple rote memorization. There is also the factor of awareness, wisdom, intuition and being able to see the big picture, etc. Some are also able to see through bullshit and are not brainwashable. Some are just misfits and so they are looking to embrace anything alternative.

It also depends on who you listen to and who you read. If you listen to the government, you will have different knowledge and intelligence than someone who listens to alternative sources like David Icke. Both sources contain truths and falsehoods, but have very different views of the world.

I don't agree with you though, that one has to study math, science, calculus, chemistry, etc. to be a truth seeker or critical thinker. On what logic do you say that? In reality, most people are only good in one or two subjects. You don't need to study so many left-brained subjects to be a critical thinker. All you need is common sense. On the contrary, those who study so many textbook subjects will be left-brained memorization machines and end up simply believing in whatever bullshit the establishment tells them. So you got that wrong.

All you need is a little wisdom, common sense, awareness, ability to think and reason for yourself, and not be too stupid. What's wrong with that? Also, you should know that very often, truth is stranger than fiction, and many truths are hidden, so as a truth seeker learns more and more things, he or she will appear to be crazy in the eyes of the ignorant masses. Did you take that into account?

Excuse me but the sources I cited above were PRIMARY sources. For example, the book "Mein Side" I posted above was of Hitler's own words and speeches that the Western media NEVER lets you hear. They were of Hitler's words himself. His own words definitely constitute a PRIMARY SOURCE. Don't you think? So then yes, that is a valid primary source to study, in order to determine the truth of what he said, and if he has been misportrayed by Western official history. Don't you see the obvious logic in that?

I know you have a bias against Hitler and the Nazis. But come on now. Be fair. Don't you agree that it's wrong and unfair to only present one side of the WWII story? Why do you advocate that only one side be told?

Also, Jewish elites and insiders such as Benjamin Freedman and Henry Ford have exposed what really happened during WWI and WWII. They ran in elite circles and were insiders. So they would have had access to primary sources and been in the know. Doesn't that matter to you? So why not listen to what they have to say and read their books on the matter?

You don't need to be a math genius to read their books or just to study history or even to study what different people have said. Right? Average intelligence is enough to read books on both sides. So again, your statements aren't logical. Can you please explain your logic?

Are you advocating that we just believe the official version of WWII, that the Nazis and Axis Powers were the bad guys trying to take over the world and the Allies were the good guys that saved the world from their tyranny. Etc? And that's that? Do you advocate such a cartoonish version of history?

Also, do you not believe that lies should be exposed? For example, any critical thinker knows that the claim of 6 million Jews dying in the Holocaust was exaggerated. In fact, the 6 million number was thrown around in World War One as a Jewish casualty figure and even in the 1800s, because 6 million is a Jewish Kabbalah number. Didn't you know that? Are you less educated than conspiracy researchers about the Jewish Kabbalah? So that number is obviously a gross exaggeration and lie. So why do you not agree that it should not be propagated anymore? Don't you have a moral conscience against lying? Especially since you are advocating that society return to traditional moral values based on religion?

Please explain honestly, logically and clearly. Thanks.
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Re: Has Hitler been overly demonized beyond what he deserves

Post by fschmidt » December 15th, 2015, 10:15 pm

By "a tradition" I mean a complete cultural tradition, not just one custom. As I have said many times, most people are no more capable of finding truth than my dogs are, so they shouldn't try. You haven't provided any evidence that the average person is capable of finding truth.

Science is important because it teaches logical thinking. No one who has studied science would believe such nonsense as the earth being flat. Anyone who believes that the earth is flat has proven himself to be totally out of touch with reality, and I pay no attention to his other beliefs.

Yes "Mein Side" is a primary source. I am glad you at least included one. Of course modern superficial culture distorts Hitler as it distorts everything. I don't really care since my view of Hitler is based on Mein Kampf and so I think my view is fairly accurate.

I have no reason to believe that the Holocaust number of 6 million is wrong, but I haven't researched the question. One reason I haven't bothered is that most Holocaust deniers are long-winded conspiracy idiots. If someone presented a concise logical argument against the 6 million number, I would consider it.

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