Bali Nine pair get 72-hour execution notice

[Cornfed]

Im against execution, there are people who do far worse crimes than these 2 fellas and get away with it(think US army)

Obviously the crime is no biggie in the scheme of things, but you pays your money and you takes your chances.

[Jester]

Die, scum, die!

Shit, that's not very Christian Jester

Yeah, youre right, Jesus seemed to suggest that child-poisoners should be drowned, rather than shot.

"And whoever receives one such child in My name receives Me; but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a heavy millstone hung around his neck, and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.

But my Bible has an Old Testament too, where shooting (stoning) is generally the preferred method.

Personally I'm open-minded on the topic.

[droid]

So what happens to "thou shalt not kill" ? wasn't that absolute, or were there exceptions?
Honestly i'm no religion expert.

[Jester]

So what happens to "thou shalt not kill" ? wasn't that absolute, or were there exceptions?
Honestly i'm no religion expert.

It's a mistranslation.

What the Hebrew says is something like "Thou shalt not slay wantonly." In other words don't commit murder. You can't kill without a good reason. As reflected in our law (justifiable homicide, death penalty) and also in our consciences aka "natural law" aka "common sense" (e.g. the ending of every movie where the bad guy gets what's coming to him).

I'm not sure if the mistranslation was a deliberate one, by Protestant fanatics (they are on record with other deliberate mistranslations) or it is just that the word "kill" has drifted in meaning since the olden days.

[Jester]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/a ... -indonesia

Boo-hoo.

[Jester]

In January, Prime Minister Tony Abbott urged President Widodo to show mercy to Chan and Sukumaran, and Foreign Minister Julie Bishop wrote directly to Indonesian foreign minister Retno Marsudi requesting that the mens' lives be spared.

The Australian government has tried to persuade the Indonesians that the men are genuinely remorseful for their crimes, counselling others about the dangers of drugs, and introducing art and computer classes in their prison - Sukumaran recently had his powerful death row art exhibited in London.

The real problem is the moral cancer in the soul of Anglos.

[OutWest]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/a ... -indonesia

Boo-hoo.

Its done...eight were just executed. However, the Filipinas Mary Jane Veloso, was given a last minute reprieve.

[Cornfed]

Its done...eight were just executed. However, the Filipinas Mary Jane Veloso, was given a last minute reprieve.

Damn manginas.

[xiongmao]

Are drugs a real problem, or are police and corrupt officials keeping themselves in work? Drugs seem to be tolerated in Barcelona, and there don't seem to be any major consequences.

Anyway, boycott anything you can that's from Indonesia, and stay away from Bali.

[Yohan]

Why to boycott Indonesia?

Singapore, Malaysia, China, Vietnam and some other Asian countries are also executing foreign and local drug dealers, shall we boycott them too?
It's almost impossible to boycott all and everything which is made in China. - Thailand was killing a lot of drug dealers during raids along its borders.

Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia or Iran are also executing drug dealers.

About the death penalty itself, in USA there are executions too, and even sometimes here in Japan.

[Yohan]

Its done...eight were just executed. However, the Filipinas Mary Jane Veloso, was given a last minute reprieve.

Damn manginas.

Somewhat true when looking up the history of Australians and other foreigners convicted in Indonesia.
I do not find any data about Indonesian citizens.

Never a foreign woman was executed, even not sentenced to life in jail, while men are serving either a life sentence or are facing execution for an identical crime.

Australian women got lenient sentences in Indonesia compared to men.

Renae Lawrence was caught with more than 2 kg heroin strapped on her body and she gets away with 20 years in jail, best known Corby got 20 years for carrying over 4 kg of Cannabis and is already released, after serving only 9 years claiming 'mental illness'. No.1 is fashion model Michelle Leslie, with ecstasy, she had money, it is said but not proven of course that her judges were bribed, insisting tearfully she is now a Muslim convert and was out of Indonesia within 3 months and later again of course as a half-naked model on the catwalk.

About poor Filipinas like Veloso, I see it as a dirty political game to save face. It's easier to execute several men (especially those black men from Nigeria) than 1 woman. Nobody really cares about men. So finally, when the execution is ready to start, in the very last moment - execute 8 men but spare 1 poor woman.

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Personally, I prefer the way how it is done here in Japan, the death penalty is only possible for repeat offenders for some few certain crimes.

There is no death penalty for drug dealers in the Japanese law, however there are remarkably long jail sentences. Luckily for most foreign criminals Japan has a prisoner exchange agreement with many countries and most of them are deported after serving only 1/3 of their original sentence.

The Japanese justice is maybe the best solution how to deal with drug related foreign criminals.

I dislike the European softy justice, where criminals get away with lenient sentences and enjoy jailtime for a few weeks similar to vacation in a hotel room.

[Banano]

I wonder if things would have ended up differenty if 2 ring leaders were david becham look alikes or some other good lookin anglo men instead of chinese/sri lankan.


Might sound superficial but having good looks can make differece between life and death.

[Rock]

I wonder if things would have ended up differenty if 2 ring leaders were david becham look alikes or some other good lookin anglo men instead of chinese/sri lankan.


Might sound superficial but having good looks can make differece between life and death.

Well I highly doubt it unless they had very rich or influential parents perhaps. Malaysia has executed white guys before and Thai jails are full of farangs and other assorted foreigners, some who are quite good looking. There was a book written by one western guy who did a lot of prison time in Indonesia.

I think there was case many years ago where western daughter of a high ranking insurance exec somehow got out of a multi decade prison sentence for drugs.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ydney.html

If you get caught with drugs in most Asian countries, it's almost certain that you won't escape a very long prison sentence (often life) or in case of SP, Malaysia, Indonesia, or China, a death sentence. And given the conditions of prisons of the region, death sentence might be best you could hope for. It's not like doing soft time in Norway!

[Yohan]

... Thai jails are full of farangs ...

I think there was case many years ago where western daughter of a high ranking insurance exec somehow got out of a multi decade prison sentence for drugs.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ydney.html

She is not the only one, other women managed to get out of the death penalty / life sentence and were even legally released after serving only a few years.

For a Western women for sure it is much easier to get out of jail than for any man.

Nola Blake is a good example, sentenced to death in Thailand for drug offence, released after 11 years,
Sandra Gregory is another example, sentenced to death and out of the Thai jail after only 4 years, transferred to a UK jail, finally out of jail after serving 3 years in UK.

I also remember a similar case in Laos about a woman from UK.

Clearly a double standard, not only in Western countries, but in Asia as well.

[Yohan]

..... given the conditions of prisons of the region, death sentence might be best you could hope for. It's not like doing soft time in Norway!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... -king.html

Gregory, who had lived in Thailand for four years working as an English teacher, had 102 grams of heroin hidden inside her body in four condoms.
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A Foreign Office official escorted Gregory, who was wearing blue jeans, a black top and red jacket, from the prison. He delivered a personal message from Lady Scotland, the minister responsible for consulate affairs, wishing Gregory good luck.

He said: "We are all shocked how quickly this has happened. Our ambassador in Bangkok was called in yesterday evening, and paper and faxes have flown between the Foreign Office and Prison Service very quickly. We were expecting it to take up to 10 days."

A woman in jail and all politicians are getting busy, I doubt if men can expect the same treatment. Politicians wishing you good luck as an convicted but early released criminal?

Interesting, this is all about a UK woman who was in jail in Thailand - she preferred it to jails in UK.

What you say is true for men, but surely not for women...as I always say, double standard.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandra_Gregory

After spending four years in Lard Yao, Gregory was transferred at her choice to Britain in 1997 to complete the remainder of her sentence (21 years). She found she was imprisoned in maximum security prisons there: in the UK prisoners were classified by the length of their sentence despite the fact that in the UK trafficking would have attracted a much shorter sentence. In one letter to her parents she said "I wish I had stayed in Thailand". She spent hours confined to her cell in England. In Lard Yao prisoners had the freedom to roam around the prison and the grounds. At least in Lard Yao she was "happy" as she could see the blue sky and the green trees in the prison garden.