Can't we just admit that Ukrainian women suck?

[WesternWomenSuck]

Lots of men in the USA are white, whereas very few men are Filipino. You would think that since American men are white would have a preference for white women, and so they would all flock to Ukraine to get a wife, and yet they don't. Here are the K1 Visa (K1 is the foreign fiance visa) statistics:

https://cis.org/North/Countries-Send-Us ... sa-Holders

As you can see, Philippines has 10 times as many K1 visas as Ukraine. Why does Philippines have so many more K1 visas than Ukraine, despite Philippines being a non-white country? i think most white Americans probably try Ukraine first and realize that it sucks and then try Philippines.

I have never seen photographic proof of someone and their hot young Ukrainian wife. Even in writings on the internet, it's always a late 20s woman who "looks 19" (yeah, right), and turns out to be demanding and abusive. With Filipinas though, I always see people writing about their 18-23 year old loyal Filipina.

I myself tried online dating in a few countries: Ukraine, Brazil, Philippines, and many others. In Ukraine I got very little attention (almost exclusively from single moms). In Brazil I got more attention. But by far the country I got most attention from was Philippines. My inbox was flooded with messages from 18 and 19 year old Filipinas after a few hours (I am 26). I am sure that part of my lack of success in Ukraine is probably due to the fact that I am not white (I am Iranian), but I don't think this is the only reason. Like I said, I never see guys talk about their hot clingy Ukrainian, but I do see people talk about their hot young clingy Filipina. You might say Filipinas are more desperate for a husband since Philippines is a poor country, but actually Ukraine is just as poor as Philippines - they have exactly the same GDP per capita. It seems like no matter how poor they are, white women just suck no matter what.

[redfeather]

WWS,
I agree with you on this topic. I started out my overseas dating with Russian women, and I quickly found that they were equally as materialistic as American women and I lost a lot of time and money dating them. I then moved to Ukraine, and found almost the same results. Keep in mind that I am 55 years old, so I was having to date single mothers with kids...and this is not something that I wanted to do. Do Not Date Any Single Mother with Kids because you will get burned and divorce raped...this has happened to several guys that I know. I was vetting the FSU and Russian women for many topics, and I was vetting them to see if I believed they could be brought to America and not divorce rape me...in all of them I felt like I would end up divorce raped. I did not see much difference between the eastern European women and American women, and I felt they were both flaky and held a high probability of divorce raping you. I then moved and started dating in Mexico, and I traveled to Monterrey and Guadalajara and dated some women and I felt like they were better, but again I was dating some single mother with kids, so I always walked away. I am in Texas and we have alot of Mexicans already in Texas, and I know that the Mexican women tend to get fat and be fat, and this is a huge turn off for me. So, after these places I moved my search to the Philippines, and I found the Philippines to have millions of sweet, nice, funny, cute women that are fun to be in a relationship with. Of the many things that I was vetting my girlfriend for...I wanted a woman that smiles and was happy and cheerful and joyful to be around...and I found this girl in the Philippines. The Philippines if full of women that are like this. My gf is 35 years old and never married with no kids which is what I wanted. I also felt that my gf would stay with me thru thick and thin and not try to divorce rape me. My gf from the southern Philippines tells me all the time..."that she loves me above everything." You will never hear this from any American woman, or any eastern European woman...ever. My belief is that American and eastern European women are not capable of truly loving their husband because they are too brain washed by feminism and the fubar'd culture. My experience shows that for any normal guy...you should start your search in the Philippines. Again, never date any single mother with kids...ever...it will end in you getting divorce raped.

[Contrarian Expatriate]

Ukrainian women have not been the desperate, post-Soviet, green card seekers for about 25 years, but the stereotype remains because American women keep it alive to scare off men.

The truth is that Ukrainian women fully understand that they have among the highest sexual market value in the world now. That being the case, most American men are not up to the task of bedding them, let alone marrying them.

Moreover, the hordes of Arab and Turkish men who travel to Ukraine to shower money and attention on these women makes it worse and render Western men afterthoughts. I see Ukrainian and Russian women in Dubai, Bahrain, Turkey, and Oman now cashing in on their looks. Western men need not even apply. The only reason I do well is because I can speak Russian to the point of joking, amusing, and flirting in Russian. This puts me at an advantage over non-Russian speakers but it comes with a cost, mega player-hatred from Western, Arab, and Turkish men. Just comes with the territory.

Western men of lower SMV know that their value is far higher in the Philippines and they see Filipinas as low hanging fruit just ripe for the picking. That is a match made in SMV heaven.

[redfeather]

CE,
I did see many Turks over in Ukraine chasing after the Ukrainian women. The Ukrainian women did not seem very interested in any man...it did not matter whether he be Turkish or American. We have a different view about the low hanging fruit. I witnessed to much flaky, lying, deceiving, sneaky, and questionable behavior in Russian and Ukrainian women...to consider them fruit up near the top of the tree. I saw in EE women way too much materialism...and how much money are you going to spend on me to gain access to her slot machine...and I have made good notes that most all the guys I know that brought an EE women to America are now divorce raped by this EE woman. I am a retired Army Colonel, and we use lessons learned to try to prevent accidents and disasters going forward into the future...my intel said to look elsewhere. On the HA forum there is always a bunch of EE women profiles that pop up on the right side, and while they may have the exterior appearance that looks half decent...it is what they harbor in their mind, body, soul, and spirit that matters the most.

[Ghost]

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[Jonnyblond]

Here’s your proof. Maybe white guts don’t have much luck because I’m aboriginal or Native American. http://tinypic.com/useralbum.php?ua=5ze ... h4l5k2TGxc My wife is from Dnipropetrovsk and she’s an incredibly awesome woman. I would have done really well back in the day in my younger years in either Russia or Ukraine. But I’d say I faired well my first visit as it was instant success. My wife works with a Filipina and she treats her man like trash. She only wants a kid from him and she could care less about marriage to him. She rolls her eyes at him because he’s literally her personal delivery service after he drops lunch off to her everyday. But she’s a temporary foreign worker. Don’t get me wrong but her work ethic is incredible but her true colors shine through once they meet the other flips.

Here’s the deal with Filipina women from what I’ve seen. They are warm and sweet in the beginning but there true colors shine bright like a diamond after either they marry and get out of the country or get lucky enough on the TFW program and meet a guy and marry them then leave em. I’m a huge fan of Ukrainian women but I had great success so each to their own.

[redfeather]

JB,
Your Ukrainian wife is nice looking, and my hat is off to you. I hope you remain married forever, but if a divorce happens and you find yourself older...you will meet with different results in Ukraine because you will be forced into dating some divorced single mother. The chance of a divorce rape with any divorced single mother is huge, and these divorced single mother priority is their kid...and not their husband.
My guess is that your wife is talking to filipina's that are from the northern Philippines like Manila or Luzon because they tend to act like you are describing. There is a big difference with women from the southern Philippines...and especially a filipina that comes from the province.

[chanta76]

Why don't we all agree that women suck. I'm waiting for the day when someone can invent a real doll android sex slave.

[Cornfed]

Why don't we all agree that women suck.

It's like the old joke. Adam is in the Garden of Eden and says to God that while his living conditions are good he is lonely and horny and wants a companion. God says OK I can give you a companion who is nice, kind, helpful, conscientious, loyal, supportive, beautiful well past forty etc. Adam says well that sounds great but will it cost me anything. God says, just an arm and a leg. Adam says, that's a bit steep. What can I get for just a rib.

[Contrarian Expatriate]

CE,
I did see many Turks over in Ukraine chasing after the Ukrainian women. The Ukrainian women did not seem very interested in any man...it did not matter whether he be Turkish or American. We have a different view about the low hanging fruit. I witnessed to much flaky, lying, deceiving, sneaky, and questionable behavior in Russian and Ukrainian women...to consider them fruit up near the top of the tree. I saw in EE women way too much materialism...and how much money are you going to spend on me to gain access to her slot machine...and I have made good notes that most all the guys I know that brought an EE women to America are now divorce raped by this EE woman. I am a retired Army Colonel, and we use lessons learned to try to prevent accidents and disasters going forward into the future...my intel said to look elsewhere. On the HA forum there is always a bunch of EE women profiles that pop up on the right side, and while they may have the exterior appearance that looks half decent...it is what they harbor in their mind, body, soul, and spirit that matters the most.

I think you misunderstood me. I did not say that Ukrainian women are high quality women, I said that they have among the highest sexual market value in the world.

Also, most of the damage that the Turks and Arabs do is with the younger girls. Visit club Forsage with is popular with the university girls and see what I mean. It is true enough that most of the Turks and Arabs strike out, but the sheer number of them renders them a nuisance and the Chads among them do much better than the typical Westerner.

[Jonnyblond]

I still stand by the saying all women are gold diggers, users, scammers, pro-daters until the right guy comes along. It reminds me of the movie casino where this prostitute marries a rich casino executive and pretty much uses him but still is in love with her pimp who beats her and treats her like crap, yet she still does everything he asks which he’s basically using her. It doesn’t matter if your rich or good looking. Yes you get your foot in the door faster and it helps but it comes down to dominance and leadership. This Canada weekend I got the evil eye from all my sisters and my brothers wives because my wife was making them all look bad. It’s because she served me and acted just like a wife would from days long past.

I watched this video on a Ukrainian woman saying how western women lost their feminine aura or energy over here and it’s true. I’m a divorced man but my god I’m so glad but just from standing back and looking at the situation I was in..it all made sense why it didn’t work so I let it implode to the point that it ended and I said “never again”. If any of you guys have ever been married and then divorced. You might actually step back and say..but I was a good man. I did everything any woman could possible want..hell even the ex wife’s friends gave her compliments on how great of a husband she had. I was a wonderful father and I even did dishes, laundry, cleaned, woke up everyday and drove my son to daycare to make sure the ex could be on work on time while I ended up late but you know what...Thats what good husband does. You would think..was it appreciated..even when the ex went through post partum depression and didn’t take to my son.I stepped up and made sure he was going to be alright by feeding him, bathing, changing them, when they got sick stayed up all night, etc. doing all the things a good wife should have done. I also I gave up my dreams and goals of going to Berkeley to get into music production. It ended up with them thinking that maybe there was something better out there.

Then the final straw was support. When I finally put my guitars under the bed and let go. I thought I’ll go to school and take plumbing/pipe fitting but she also wanted to take it because it was heading into a new age where women are in the trades too...well..let me tell you a little about that. You end up doing their job for them because they can’t lift anything up the stairs such as fixtures, toilets, etc and you have to go behind them and tighten all the screws and stuff, etc. so when they complain how come they don’t make as much as men..it’s because we do ours and their job for them. Do I hate women. No..I think they are just are going against nature and it’s not benefiting anyone. But when the ex went to school I did something she didn’t do when I wanted to pursue music...it was just a dream. I wasn’t being realistic. Wake up and go get a normal job like everyone else. I could say I should have resisted because if I had..she would most likely would have stayed but I’m glad I took the path that I did because I ended up with an amazing wife who outclasses my ex in looks times 1 million. But when when she went to school and got teased and harassed by even the teachers saying plumbing wasn’t for her...I supported her. I made her believe that don’t listen to them..you prove them all wrong. Even her parents and family insulted her choices yet I still stood by her. What was my thanks after being a great supportive man and great father...it wasn’t good enough but karma works in wonderful ways..she’s been single for the last 5 years and complains to my mother which she stays in touch with as to how come I get to have fun and go to Ukraine and party and be married and live a good life yet hers in in ruins..well..but that’s what happens when your a good man but it does wake the manly part about you up. It’s like I tell my wife and I love her reply..I say I don’t do dishes, laundry, cook or clean..that’s a woman’s job..she says what’s the point of being married if a girl doesn’t do those things...ohhh my god..I almost cried myself to sleep when I heard that.

When I looked for women. I didn’t care where they were from. When I say I searched the world. I really did. But most men just look for the hottest most beautiful girl. So being 36 at the time. I went to the bar first to gauge what I could still get. I was just sitting drinking a beer and this little 21 year old university student walked up to me and said how come your sitting alone. I said that I was watching the game and that I didn’t need people to enjoy doing things. We got talking and somehow I asked her what she was into which to me meant hobbies but she took it the wrong way or maybe she didn’t...I said what are you into and she said “rope”...I said are they a good band and she laughed and said no..that’s what I’m into..I finally caught on and said..ohhhh...that’s cool pretending that it was nothing. Then she got up and went back to her group of orbiters...so I was checking her out from time to time thinking..she’s a little rocket but every time she would walk by to go outside or to the bathroom she would poke me on my side and laugh...the guy sitting next to me said..I think she likes ya. I said...well..watch this..I had no idea what I was thinking but I said..let’s do this..I got up and split the hipster crowd like Moses parting the sea. Grabbed her and went into makeout mode...let’s just say it blew her mind..then I just walked back to my seat and then felt kinda bad because it was odd..it was the first girl I kissed since being with the ex wife for 12 years. But at the same time it verifies to me that I still had it and I most likely could get a rocket still being my age. I would never try something like that at this day in age but it was cool. So the international hunt began.

Like I said though..you really have to know what you want. I wrote down the type of girl I was looking for. It was incredibly demanding but I wouldn’t settle for less if I was going to get married again. I believe that there’s someone out there for everyone and yeah..you may get burned a few times or less but if you really want someone bad enough..you’ll find them. Hell my wife almost didn’t come to be if it wasn’t for her getting pissed at me. I was dropping my kid off at the ex’s place and he was in tears saying he wanted to live with me. I didn’t know how to handle that other then to go buy 24 beer and get obliterated. It kinda sucked too that when he came to my apartment. I told him to use his imagination because I had invisible furniture and it’s the new style and cool. Which meant I gave the ex everything so my son felt like he was going into a home while I just settled for a blanket and pillow..sounds rough and tragic but I knew that you have to lose everything to get everything you want. Trust me..it’s true. I knew what I was doing..anyways...so I was pretty trashed and I thought..let’s see what this little Ukrainian vixen is up to. So I called her but forgetting that our timezone was way different. She said she was working..I said to bad..your talking to me...hahaha..she said ok..so we talked for quite a bit before she came to the conclusion that I was hammered and said just call her tomorrow. When I woke up the next day and seen my conversation on Skype..I was like..crap..well..that was fun...looks like I was a fool..I then deleted her as I was already talking to 10 other looking vixens from her country as well..the next day she had seen that I deleted her off Skype. She said at first she didn’t care but for some reason it bothered her and she said she was going to say something to me about it...

So she messaged me and it was on fire..she was mad ranting on how if she gave me her Skype then I shouldn’t have deleted her because she didn’t give it just to anyone and she loved having me as a friend..I said you want to be friends..I’m game...long story short I was getting emails from other girls but I found myself opening hers first and enjoying them...then I just said if anyone on this planet can get out of the friendzone it’s me..I said I’m through with being friends with ya...I want to go more deeper so just letting you know I’m coming to Ukraine so let’s take a bit to get to know each other really well...god lord I could write all day. My memories never fade. But yep..we’re married now and it’s kick butt. Sure there’s bad Ukrainian and Russian women.,actually the majority of women are bad but there is some good ones out there.

This is like a mix between a rant and rave infused with whatever. Yes most women suck especially the western ones. Since we are on the subject of surveys...this actually came out the other day and I couldn’t agree more. But I’m biased... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/trav ... dfmYzTaXsA

I used to be a former nice man but those days are gone. I grew passed that stage and now do things on my own terms...I’m not joking when I say sometimes you have to lose everything before you get everything you truly want in life. Its all good.

[Jonnyblond]

As former agoraphobic or antisocial man. If you notice that your not having luck with any girls. Then I suggest you take toastmasters or any read any kind of self help books that teach you how to better situate yourself in any kind of social setting because I did meet some guys from other countries that when they noticed my New England patriot hat and came over to talk and ask me if I was on a date because they seen my wife or heard me speaking English..let’s just say some of them came off creepy and odd. Learn how to give a good vibe. Maybe it’s something natural but wow...some guys just gave me the creep feel. Have you ever had a co-worker/classmate/family member etc that is kinda bizarre or off and they are just socially awkward. Hey..if that’s the way they are and are cool with it then more power to them but if they are looking to make friends or meet a potential date. They should really work on that before trying to go because that way they don’t get burned and think they were just getting scammed. I’ve known guys that can light up a room with their personality and humor and everyone wants to be around them.

It’s like we have two supervisors where I work..one is animated and has a good sense of humor. Plus is loud and cool. The other supervisor is quiet, monotone and boring. Which one do we all listen to and always has our attention. The first guy..you want to be the first guy because trust me..no matter if a girls from cebu or Lviv..you bore them. then they’ll want away from you fast. If you can make them laugh and enjoy your company and they get comfy around you then kiss the friendzone away. Also and this is a big deal..I don’t care what side of the world a woman is from..they want a guy that doesn’t take crap. If they say something you don’t like then call them on it. Don’t think..ohhh buy what if she doesn’t like me...she’ll respect you faster for saying what you think then dancing around the subject. If anything I learned about FSU women is that they love men that put them in their place fast. If your nice about things and they can walk all over you..they will...

[Excalibur]

What makes the situation much worse with EE women these days is the availability of smartphones and social media (Instagram, Facebook, VKontakte, etc).

If you walk in Kiev or any other city, you end up seeing most girls glued to their phones without giving you any attention. The other day I traveled from Kiev to a rural area in a mini-bus, and I could see from behind on two separate occasions how decent looking girls browsed through Instagram and checked out all that female cr*p during the whole ride. The truth is that girls even from the poorest villages have access to interrnet these days, and by seeing other girls traveling to places like Bali (with their sugardaddys, that is) and showing off their quality life, this becomes the new standard that they measure up to. Receiving constant likes and messages from men all over the world gives them a false illusion of being a star, even though deep down she may be miserable. Oh, and don't forget all of these women's magazines/websites with their feminist and "you deserve no less than a prince"-propaganda.

Imagine: Before the age of Facebook, you would at least have an easy chance to chat up with a girl you see on the street, in a park or in public transportation. Now it's all gone for the worse. And make no mistake: The golden times of the early- or mid 90s when you as a westerner had an advantage in dating Ukrainian/Russian women are over. The idea that you could pick up a faithful, beautiful and loyal girl from a Ukrainian village to bring her to the west, believing that she must be good since she grew up with family values - that idea is just fantasy... Social media has done irrepairable damage in this regard.

[hypermak]

What makes the situation much worse with EE women these days is the availability of smartphones and social media (Instagram, Facebook, VKontakte, etc).

If you walk in Kiev or any other city, you end up seeing most girls glued to their phones without giving you any attention. The other day I traveled from Kiev to a rural area in a mini-bus, and I could see from behind on two separate occasions how decent looking girls browsed through Instagram and checked out all that female cr*p during the whole ride. The truth is that girls even from the poorest villages have access to interrnet these days, and by seeing other girls traveling to places like Bali (with their sugardaddys, that is) and showing off their quality life, this becomes the new standard that they measure up to. Receiving constant likes and messages from men all over the world gives them a false illusion of being a star, even though deep down she may be miserable. Oh, and don't forget all of these women's magazines/websites with their feminist and "you deserve no less than a prince"-propaganda.

Imagine: Before the age of Facebook, you would at least have an easy chance to chat up with a girl you see on the street, in a park or in public transportation. Now it's all gone for the worse. And make no mistake: The golden times of the early- or mid 90s when you as a westerner had an advantage in dating Ukrainian/Russian women are over. The idea that you could pick up a faithful, beautiful and loyal girl from a Ukrainian village to bring her to the west, believing that she must be good since she grew up with family values - that idea is just fantasy... Social media has done irrepairable damage in this regard.

I can't speak about Ukrainian women as I have never been to Ukraine and my knowledge of Ukranians is based on the few people (men and women) I met during my time in the UK and Malta.

For the little I know, I just don't understand the big hype that Western (American?) men put on Ukranian women. They don't look better, smarter and sweeter than any other Slavic/Central European girls. Somebody told me Ukraine is culturally a bridge between a Catholic slavic culture of Poland and and the Orthodox slavic culture of Mother Russia. I guess this might be taken into account when meeting your girl. I personally love Polish women: they're traditional, sweet and with a better sense of humour compared to Russians.

If I could choose, I would go for a Polish women or a Ukranian woman of Polish family tradition any day.

I do agree on social media propagating a sense of fake empowerment and giving some of these girl the impression that, if they are hot and play their cards well, they can set themselves up with a rich man for a week, a month or even forever, and have a free ride on the beautiful life. It's also true that many girls in those parts of the world won't think of themselves as a hot toys and will continue to pursue a life of study, work and a decent man as a husband.

Exactly the same situation is happening in the Philippines, where I live at the moment. Girls of any age are absolutely hooked on social media and use it as their window to the world. Perhaps the difference is that Filipinas will always tend to be sweeter, more demure, more family-oriented and less materialistic.

The level of poverty over here is incomparable with what you could find in Kiev or Odessa, let alone Central European cities. It's quite obvious that if a girl hails from a poor family, a man who will fulfil her basic necessities: food, accommodation, healthcare and education for themselves, their kids and their immediate family. They would still love to pay a trip to a resort in Bali, but most would be happy and contented to have their men feed them, pay the tuition fees for their younger brother's college and help old Lola (granny) with her medical expenses.

[MrMan]

Lots of men in the USA are white, whereas very few men are Filipino. You would think that since American men are white would have a preference for white women, and so they would all flock to Ukraine to get a wife, and yet they don't. Here are the K1 Visa (K1 is the foreign fiance visa) statistics:

https://cis.org/North/Countries-Send-Us ... sa-Holders

As you can see, Philippines has 10 times as many K1 visas as Ukraine. Why does Philippines have so many more K1 visas than Ukraine, despite Philippines being a non-white country? i think most white Americans probably try Ukraine first and realize that it sucks and then try Philippines.

I have never seen photographic proof of someone and their hot young Ukrainian wife. Even in writings on the internet, it's always a late 20s woman who "looks 19" (yeah, right), and turns out to be demanding and abusive. With Filipinas though, I always see people writing about their 18-23 year old loyal Filipina.

I myself tried online dating in a few countries: Ukraine, Brazil, Philippines, and many others. In Ukraine I got very little attention (almost exclusively from single moms). In Brazil I got more attention. But by far the country I got most attention from was Philippines. My inbox was flooded with messages from 18 and 19 year old Filipinas after a few hours (I am 26). I am sure that part of my lack of success in Ukraine is probably due to the fact that I am not white (I am Iranian), but I don't think this is the only reason. Like I said, I never see guys talk about their hot clingy Ukrainian, but I do see people talk about their hot young clingy Filipina. You might say Filipinas are more desperate for a husband since Philippines is a poor country, but actually Ukraine is just as poor as Philippines - they have exactly the same GDP per capita. It seems like no matter how poor they are, white women just suck no matter what.

I never really got the obsession with Russian, etc. women as wives. When I was a child, I heard about Russian children being sent to spy on their parents. Russian was the cold, atheistic regime Reagan called 'the evil empire.' Russia was presented kind of like the fulfillment of Orwell's 1984, where I remember the guy's wife wanted to have sex to have children 'for the party.' It sounded like a rather cold culture. I think of beautiful but heartless bond villains or villains in other movies. Of course, there is a generation and a half nearly of women since the cold war ended. In an old Jerry Lewis movie, the Americans who sent astronauts to the moon had to marry the man and woman off first for political reasons, but the Russians didn't care. I'm sure there are plenty of sweet Russian women in real life. And past generations of evil Communism may not have damaged the male-female relationship culture as badly as feminism has in the US. But the divorce rate is fairly high, there, still. Is the Ukraine much different, culturally?

Even though whites are still the majority (I think) in the US, some white men do like Asian women. I married an Indonesian. I didn't feel like I had to have an Asian. I liked the looks of white women, too. I was working in Indonesia in my 20's, though, and met my wife there.

I have heard of Filippinas making good wives. We had a military base there for a long time, which is what I think started the trend and the perception of Filippinas as good wives. Online, I see Filippinas presented as easy targets for fornicators for sex or else as good wives. These two are not really compatible. I hear some of the 'nice girls' there have to have a chaperon, a cousin who goes with you on a date, for example. It could be the sexually active ones just sleep with the relatively small pool of expats who visit over there looking for sex.

Feminism does not seem to have contaminated eastern culture as badly. Communism messed up a few countries' cultures badly, like China. But maybe not as bad as feminism for male-female relationship, but I'm not sure about that. The Philippines did not get as contaminated by communism. There is a traditional culture of women being women over there. Divorce in the Philippines is practically illegal, so some people shack up, live with people they aren't legally married, to. But it seems like they have a kind of anti-divorce culture.

I read a post from someone on a forum who said that people said that Filippinas were getting married to American men to scam them. But 25% of Filippinas ended up divorced from their husband while 50% of marriages to American women ended in divorce, so he asked who are the real scammers?

I spent nearly 12 years in Indonesia, and I met one woman who'd studied in the US who called herself a feminist. Another old woman was having difficulty getting along with her husband after studying in the US and getting a sense of her 'power.' They have a government department for women's affairs, and women can work, but they don't seem to have the feminist ideology as a part of their culture. So that helps. And women typically believe they are supposed to cook and clean. Some of the modern ones may not know how to if they just work in the office. Also, losing virginity before marriage is a stigma, especially for women, and virginity before marriage seems to be the norm, especially outside of the big city. The divorce rate is relatively low.