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Is Dream Connections by Mark Davis worth the high price? Any experiences? (Uncensored Open Discussion)

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Re: Is Dream Connections by Mark Davis worth the high price? Any experiences? (Uncensored Open Discussion)

Post by NMBob » May 1st, 2019, 2:30 am

Zambales wrote:
April 30th, 2019, 10:42 pm
redfeather wrote:
April 30th, 2019, 6:22 pm
I believe it is important for all men going after a foreign woman to understand that they will be required to provide financial support, and it does not matter which foreign country she is in.
It's a total myth that you need to financially support them. It's not a requirement but an expectation due to the hoards of men going abroad and throwing money at women like it's confetti. You're the one with the ace card so why let yourself be dictated to?
DC is a short tour with reports out, including from Steve Neese, of all kinds of men paying women money after just meeting. In what appears to be significant contrast, In the video below at 3:40 mark, Svetlana M. at Diolli Matchmaking Agency says she has basically never had a woman asking men for money after 3 dates. She also tells stories of women , later in relationship, still reluctant to take money later in relationships. Different clientele of women ??? I also remember a couple of years ago she said something like .....if a woman asks for money early in the relationship....run.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8R1fVZw1AU&t=179s[/youtube]




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Re: Is Dream Connections by Mark Davis worth the high price? Any experiences? (Uncensored Open Discussion)

Post by Shemp » May 1st, 2019, 5:47 pm

Zambales wrote:
April 30th, 2019, 10:42 pm
It's a total myth that you need to financially support them. It's not a requirement but an expectation due to the hoards of men going abroad and throwing money at women like it's confetti. You're the one with the ace card so why let yourself be dictated to?
What ace card? You mean your cock? Dude, maybe you've never been to Ukraine, but there is no shortage of cock there. In general, no shortage of good-looking, well-dressed, educated men with good personalities who speak fluent Russian/Ukrainian because that's their native language and who are definitely not lying when they say they live in Ukraine because that's their country. What is in short supply in Ukraine is men with money. But it does the woman no good if the man has money but she doesn't get any. Money is the only thing foreigners have that the local men don't have: that's reality.

I'm not saying true love doesn't exist in Ukraine, but relying on true love alone, without money, to get a quality Ukrainian woman is like hoping a beautiful and rich young American woman in New York City to fall in love with some guy who is poor, middle-aged and thus much older, not famous and not particularly handsome. Yes, occasionally something like that happens, but it's not common and not something you should plan on.
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Re: Is Dream Connections by Mark Davis worth the high price? Any experiences? (Uncensored Open Discussion)

Post by Shemp » May 1st, 2019, 6:06 pm

NMBob wrote:
May 1st, 2019, 2:30 am
I also remember a couple of years ago she said something like .....if a woman asks for money early in the relationship....run.
When a woman is playing the long game, where marriage as the goal, then she needs to be patient. If she is impatient, then that is a sign she is too stupid and undisciplined to be worth marrying. Of course, an intelligent and disciplined con artist is vastly more dangerous than one with short-term oriented mentality. So you still need some way to ensure the woman is trustworthy, independent of whether or not she asks for money prior to marriage.

After marriage and immigration to the USA, she has you by the balls, so you WILL be paying if she wants you to pay. She no longer needs to ask, she can now demand, or off to divorce court we go, preferably fast-track option where you are falsely accused of spousal rape so the police haul you off to jail and a restraining order kicks you out of your house.

If you are not offering either marriage or money, then exactly why would a Ukrainian woman be interested in you versus Ukrainian men? Especially when the two of you don't even speak each other's language, as is usually the case.

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Re: Is Dream Connections by Mark Davis worth the high price? Any experiences? (Uncensored Open Discussion)

Post by Zambales » May 2nd, 2019, 6:42 am

Shemp wrote:
May 1st, 2019, 5:47 pm
Zambales wrote:
April 30th, 2019, 10:42 pm
It's a total myth that you need to financially support them. It's not a requirement but an expectation due to the hoards of men going abroad and throwing money at women like it's confetti. You're the one with the ace card so why let yourself be dictated to?
What ace card? You mean your cock?
Typical Frank! :lol: No, I mean in the way of options and I wasn't referring solely to the Ukraine so you can add SE Asia, South America etc. to the equation too.

Let's face it, all these women from poorer countries want a better life which they think western men can provide. Some want the luxurious lifestyle and they don't care who they tread on to obtain it, and some just want a better way of life without the struggles associated with their parent country and to be with a good partner.

So the point I'm trying to make is you don't need to settle for a woman that dictates to you, plus you have the scope to visit other countries to find a suitable mate.

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Re: Is Dream Connections by Mark Davis worth the high price? Any experiences? (Uncensored Open Discussion)

Post by MarcosZeitola » May 2nd, 2019, 7:00 am

redfeather wrote:
April 30th, 2019, 9:49 pm
Shemp posted this video with a guy interviewing Russian women...and the Russian women explain why they expect a man to pay for everything. If you are going to pursue foreign women you need to watch this video. This is why I have said that all foreign women will want financial support of some amount. Also, read the comments posted under the video...it will help you with your training on how to date foreign women.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWHedf01JEQ&app=desktop
Nah this ain't it, chief. You can find a perfectly good woman who won't ask for a dime from you until the moment you and her live together and share a household. She doesn't have to be well-off, have a great job or a rich family. Hell, she can be broke as f**k but at least she would still have her pride. I know a lot of women even from third world countries who are prideful and would die before asking a man for money and financial support right off the bat. Any woman that does isn't a good choice of partner by default, but a leech. And any man who doesn't realize this, a fool... a fool, like the ones clever conmen like Mark Edward Davis prey on. :lol:

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Re: Is Dream Connections by Mark Davis worth the high price? Any experiences? (Uncensored Open Discussion)

Post by Shemp » May 2nd, 2019, 7:37 am

MarcosZeitola wrote:
May 2nd, 2019, 7:00 am
You can find a perfectly good woman who won't ask for a dime from you until the moment you and her live together and share a household. She doesn't have to be well-off, have a great job or a rich family. Hell, she can be broke as f**k but at least she would still have her pride.
The above is true: no decent civilian woman playing the long game asks for money before marriage. What the video suggested was that, AT SOME POINT, such as after marriage, the man has to subsidize a woman if he expects her to remain feminine. If he is not offering marriage (my case with my sugar baby), then the subsidy should start with the first sex act. The man also should expect to pay for all dates prior to marriage (or first sex in the case of sugar babies). However, decent women, whether marriage or sugar baby candidates, do not expect expensive dates. If the woman is curious whether the man has enough money to support a family, she has to use some other way of figuring that out, not how much the date cost, which is a bad indication anyway.

We should probably have a separate thread for issues involving long term relationships in Ukraine, since this is supposed to be about Dream Connections.

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Re: Is Dream Connections by Mark Davis worth the high price? Any experiences? (Uncensored Open Discussion)

Post by NMBob » May 2nd, 2019, 4:45 pm

Let's not get off track and confuse the issue of "ever" or dinner/actual date expenses, and remember that this thread is on dream connections. The DC that had on Neese's tour like 70 percent of men paying women monthly support of hundreds of dollars , after only roughly 3-4 dates in a week or sometimes less. That is the issue of giving scammers open season on men who many are not warned to watch for such and even encouraged to go down such a road and then realize months later that apparently a majority of it is a mirage.

I could care less about the one's where these are for sure, well established couples. I am sure some will have to figure out some financial plans with someone they actually know very well and have actually been in a real relationship with.

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Re: Is Dream Connections by Mark Davis worth the high price? Any experiences? (Uncensored Open Discussion)

Post by Shemp » May 2nd, 2019, 5:46 pm

Watt (who went by the name pretrader on Ukraine Fusion) wrote a very good post about guys on these tours being in "holiday mood". This is similar to how people get sucked into buying timeshares when they visit some tourist resort the first time and feel very happy and so commit to the timeshare without really thinking it through. In the case of these wife-hunting tours, the euphoria is likely much more extreme because now you have men who have been starved of love and sex for who knows how long, and who have built up hopes of finally meeting a woman to love them, and they only have a week to decide. At least with the timeshare, it's just a piece of real estate and pretty obvious you can always buy the thing later by offering more money (the salesmen ALWAYS make their offers limited time only special deals, standard high pressure sales tactic). But with a human being, it's pretty obvious that the contrary is true. That is, if you don't act when opportunity arises with a woman, you probably won't get a second chance.

Of course, the correct action when a woman comes into your life is not to marry her immediately, but rather to introduce yourself immediately, then date her for a few months, and only then start thinking about marriage. But the Dream Connections tours don't allow this normal process. Guys are desperate not to go home "empty handed"' so they accept whatever is offered, typically an overweight middle-aged single mother with scammer morals.

IMO, it's the lucky guys who never follow through with the deal, which is what I assume NMBob means by mirage. The unlucky ones are those who do carry through and marry these women and bring them to the USA and then get divorce raped.

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Post by Zambales » May 2nd, 2019, 8:54 pm

It's just not the man that's in holiday mood, it's the relationship too. He needs to find out what she's like away from a relaxed environment such as candlelit dinners, drinks on the balcony and strolls in the park. Furthermore, she'll intentionally be on her best behaviour to impress but will that nice behaviour continue further down the line? What will she be like to actually live with? Now, that's one question that seriously needs answering before making any rash moves. Therefore it really is a dumb decision to get married after such a short period of time.

Moving on. I was flicking through the "recommended" video's on my YouTube page and this appeared. It's about a couple of Aussie guys who go on a romance tour to the Ukraine (Foreign Affair). Check out the two Ukrainian chicks physically fighting over an ageing rich dude at a speed dating gig. :lol:


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Post by Shemp » May 3rd, 2019, 9:27 am

That video Zambales posted is well worth watching. Some comments:

1) Former model who brought the guy to dinner with the mother must have some personality problems. Feminist career bitch or whatever. She is top 10% of girls her age in beauty, so would have been snapped up by a local guy otherwise.
2) At that dinner meeting with the mother, both mother and daughter were dressed very nicely but guy dating the daughter wore a short sleeve white t-shirt. Just pathetic. Also, television guy was more handsome and outgoing, so whore daughter was obviously more interested in him than the guy she was dating.
3) Older bald and white-bearded guy has a handsome face for men his age but then he ruins it by a fat stomach, not shown until late in the show when he shown wearing with a cheap oversized t-shirt like a typical Australian redneck. So easy to fix...
4) Blonde girl with breasts who was said she was interested in Italy looks more like 28 than 38 she gave as age, so 33 years younger than guy she was dating. I guess she didn't want to scare him off (he mentioned he was concerned about age difference) until after she got an expenses paid trip to Italy.
5) Truly absurd to be dating women where you can't even speak each others language and so need a translator at all times. Learn Russian (or Ukrainian)!
6) All the older retired men could easily get beautiful younger women in Ukraine of they would simply move to Ukraine. Anyone with an Australian pension would be rich by Ukrainian standards, so quite feasible.

Lots more I could say. I posted lots of things at the Ukraine Fusion forum for several weeks, but that place is becoming full of fools just like the guys in the above video, unwilling to accept that they are doing things all wrong.

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Re: Is Dream Connections by Mark Davis worth the high price? Any experiences? (Uncensored Open Discussion)

Post by ErnieMagic » May 4th, 2019, 2:23 am

Zambales wrote:
May 2nd, 2019, 8:54 pm
It's just not the man that's in holiday mood, it's the relationship too. He needs to find out what she's like away from a relaxed environment such as candlelit dinners, drinks on the balcony and strolls in the park. Furthermore, she'll intentionally be on her best behaviour to impress but will that nice behaviour continue further down the line? What will she be like to actually live with? Now, that's one question that seriously needs answering before making any rash moves. Therefore it really is a dumb decision to get married after such a short period of time.

Moving on. I was flicking through the "recommended" video's on my YouTube page and this appeared. It's about a couple of Aussie guys who go on a romance tour to the Ukraine (Foreign Affair). Check out the two Ukrainian chicks physically fighting over an ageing rich dude at a speed dating gig. :lol:

If you have watched many of the AFA social tour video's, the woman the younger Aussie picked who took the man to meet her mother in the video is on many of the AFA video's and at numerous socials "for years". Personally, I think she is a pro dater paid to be at the socials by the local agencies as a hostess model.

In Ukraine, it's a profession as a hostess model to be paid to attend these events. It's advertised as a job in the local papers by the local agencies. Models for Hire call this number. It's a business and is something DC and AFA has denied occurs. It's well known in Ukraine the local agencies are paying these women to attend the socials with the money AFA and DC pays them. It's how the socials are packed. The more money the American agencies pay local agencies, the more beauties will show up. Too many beauties is counter productive. While the American agencies, deny they pay for the women to attend. It's a slick legal way using a third party agency to release them from liability of what could be seen as fraud. They didn't directly pay the women to attend, the local agencies took the money and then paid the women. It's well documented some of these women were overheard by some Russian speaking American men at the socials asking "when can we pick up our money". These paid hostesses are there to flirt and date the men so the man "thinks" he is getting what he paid for in this expensive romance tour. In addition, the paid hostesses are good for marketing videos as the men view the social video's and are mislead by all the beauties in attendance and book future clients. Look closely at the video's as it's the same women over a few years time at these socials shown in many of the videos. They are smart enough to not show the same beauties every month in the video's. They never marry but are constantly on dates with men and the same song and dance as the relationship fizzled out once he returned to his home country and/or she began asking for him to send money to her. This is typically when the relationship ends when the send money process begins.

MD has stated it's common for the women to ask for financial help. While other credible professional Ukraine marriage agencies say, the good women will NEVER ask for money. Take a close look at DC. Anyone exposing the scam is dealt with and silenced. Take a look at Match Guaranty and how Joe was quickly shut down or paid off when this topic came up. The list goes on and on from Stryker, Neese, and many others. One thing about AFA, if you listen closely, they are telling you how the game works. Don't be a sucker. Don't letter write and don't go to restaurants, cafes and bars that they do not recommend. Never use the date's translator. Many other tips are out there so you do not get scammed.

In addition, realize the western clients are being used as a power play within those cities as these American agencies yield a lot of social economic power as they are bringing "rich" westerner's to the Ukraine cities to spend their money in hotels, shops, restaurants, cafes, bars and other venues. Trust me, they play that card for their own benefit with many Ukraine businesses and they get treated like Kings and Queens because you are the goose that lays the golden egg and they brought you there. It's all about marketing and you are the walking ATM the moment you set foot off the plane in Ukraine.

The woman in the Aussie documentary video played the role as the potential "Ukraine wife" to perfection. Even, inviting the Aussie to a homemade Ukrainian dinner with her mother. If you notice, she claimed she was a "model" and "actress" and the relationship fizzled after he returned home and she was seen back on the recent AFA social video kissing and cuddling up with the next tour group of men. Look closely grasshopper at the social tour videos over the last 5 years and educate yourself. I''m not saying there are not good women at these socials and the potential to meet a wife can happen but choose wisely and know the game. Avoid the women who approach you as they are working the social as a job to get you on a date for the extraction of money, dining, shopping, and kickbacks. Focus more on the women who are shy but give you brief eye contact from a distance. It can work but I am saying these paid hostesses dancing in sexy fashionable outfits, dating, and chatting up the men is all part of creating the "paradise illusion" to get men on a plane and pay for these expensive romance tours. If you get caught up in the business side of the romance tours, you will be exploited by these paid hostesses. Weeding out these women seems to be impossible as one gets banned another a new one appears. As the saying goes, "Don't hate the player hate the game". I would revise this saying too, "Don't hate the player KNOW the game". Maybe, you get lucky and find the good girl or you get caught in the spider web. Many men are sharing information on this thread to the disliking of a few who don't want the international game exposed as it effects their sales. Guys like MD want to sugarcoat the entire process and not tell the good and the bad. MD is destroying his own credibility with many as if he only told the truth instead of launching mass discrediting of those who had a bad experience with his company or exposed some untruth's on local agencies, paid pro daters, and their behavior. Wu's site is educating many men to better their chances by knowing the game both good and bad. This is too the disliking of many in the industry. "A fool and his money soon part"....

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Post by Zambales » May 4th, 2019, 8:20 am

ErnieMagic wrote:
May 4th, 2019, 2:23 am

If you have watched many of the AFA social tour video's, the woman the younger Aussie picked who took the man to meet her mother in the video is on many of the AFA video's and at numerous socials "for years". Personally, I think she is a pro dater paid to be at the socials by the local agencies as a hostess model.

In Ukraine, it's a profession as a hostess model to be paid to attend these events. It's advertised as a job in the local papers by the local agencies. Models for Hire call this number. It's a business and is something DC and AFA has denied occurs. It's well known in Ukraine the local agencies are paying these women to attend the socials with the money AFA and DC pays them. It's how the socials are packed. The more money the American agencies pay local agencies, the more beauties will show up. Too many beauties is counter productive. While the American agencies, deny they pay for the women to attend. It's a slick legal way using a third party agency to release them from liability of what could be seen as fraud. They didn't directly pay the women to attend, the local agencies took the money and then paid the women. It's well documented some of these women were overheard by some Russian speaking American men at the socials asking "when can we pick up our money". These paid hostesses are there to flirt and date the men so the man "thinks" he is getting what he paid for in this expensive romance tour. In addition, the paid hostesses are good for marketing videos as the men view the social video's and are mislead by all the beauties in attendance and book future clients. Look closely at the video's as it's the same women over a few years time at these socials shown in many of the videos. They are smart enough to not show the same beauties every month in the video's. They never marry but are constantly on dates with men and the same song and dance as the relationship fizzled out once he returned to his home country and/or she began asking for him to send money to her. This is typically when the relationship ends when the send money process begins.

MD has stated it's common for the women to ask for financial help. While other credible professional Ukraine marriage agencies say, the good women will NEVER ask for money. Take a close look at DC. Anyone exposing the scam is dealt with and silenced. Take a look at Match Guaranty and how Joe was quickly shut down or paid off when this topic came up. The list goes on and on from Stryker, Neese, and many others. One thing about AFA, if you listen closely, they are telling you how the game works. Don't be a sucker. Don't letter write and don't go to restaurants, cafes and bars that they do not recommend. Never use the date's translator. Many other tips are out there so you do not get scammed.

In addition, realize the western clients are being used as a power play within those cities as these American agencies yield a lot of social economic power as they are bringing "rich" westerner's to the Ukraine cities to spend their money in hotels, shops, restaurants, cafes, bars and other venues. Trust me, they play that card for their own benefit with many Ukraine businesses and they get treated like Kings and Queens because you are the goose that lays the golden egg and they brought you there. It's all about marketing and you are the walking ATM the moment you set foot off the plane in Ukraine.

The woman in the Aussie documentary video played the role as the potential "Ukraine wife" to perfection. Even, inviting the Aussie to a homemade Ukrainian dinner with her mother. If you notice, she claimed she was a "model" and "actress" and the relationship fizzled after he returned home and she was seen back on the recent AFA social video kissing and cuddling up with the next tour group of men. Look closely grasshopper at the social tour videos over the last 5 years and educate yourself. I''m not saying there are not good women at these socials and the potential to meet a wife can happen but choose wisely and know the game. Avoid the women who approach you as they are working the social as a job to get you on a date for the extraction of money, dining, shopping, and kickbacks. Focus more on the women who are shy but give you brief eye contact from a distance. It can work but I am saying these paid hostesses dancing in sexy fashionable outfits, dating, and chatting up the men is all part of creating the "paradise illusion" to get men on a plane and pay for these expensive romance tours. If you get caught up in the business side of the romance tours, you will be exploited by these paid hostesses. Weeding out these women seems to be impossible as one gets banned another a new one appears. As the saying goes, "Don't hate the player hate the game". I would revise this saying too, "Don't hate the player KNOW the game". Maybe, you get lucky and find the good girl or you get caught in the spider web. Many men are sharing information on this thread to the disliking of a few who don't want the international game exposed as it effects their sales. Guys like MD want to sugarcoat the entire process and not tell the good and the bad. MD is destroying his own credibility with many as if he only told the truth instead of launching mass discrediting of those who had a bad experience with his company or exposed some untruth's on local agencies, paid pro daters, and their behavior. Wu's site is educating many men to better their chances by knowing the game both good and bad. This is too the disliking of many in the industry. "A fool and his money soon part"....
It has been known for the basic dating sites to employ the "baiting" tactic, too, to lure guys in so I'm not at all surprised. Anyhow, I've never even considered signing up to one of these romance tours. Perhaps if I was living in that country, knew the language and the price was around 90% cheaper I might be tempted out of convenience. It wouldn't be in the Ukraine though. I find the women around this part of the world to be of a frosty persuasion unlike those from Asia and Latin America for example who have much warmer personalities in my opinion.

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Post by Shemp » May 4th, 2019, 11:57 am

Everyone scoffs when I tell them my approach, for older men living part or full time in Ukraine. Namely, hire a series of escorts for test drives. When you find one that clicks with you, start seeing her on a regular basis. Eventually, a true relationship develops. You still have to pay her, but so what? As I noted in a previous post, you have to pay almost any young woman if you want her to maintain her femininity.

(Older women who were housewives and then got rich by divorce or widowhood are another story. These can remain feminine without you paying them. Some beautiful widows like that in Ukraine in their early 40's. These were trophy wives who married rich man 20 years older when they were 19 or 20 years old, and then the man died when he turned 60 and the woman was 40. Men often die young in Ukraine.)

One of the advantages of escorts of that the relationship doesn't have a complete power imbalance. So many men think, I'll "save" one of these poor Ukrainian women who only make $300/month. That is a very unpleasant attitude from the woman's perspective, even submissive women, and very tempting for the man in this position to lord it over the woman. (Think of our own ContrarianExpat and that girl who is so grateful to him, or so he says.) Whereas escorts are toughened up psychologically and used to men trying to manipulate them with money, and they'll shoot the man down fast if he gets too big for his britches. This is good because it forces the man to behave himself and treat the woman with respect from the start, until true respect develops naturally as part of a real relationship. Meanwhile, the woman retains her power, since she has a book of other clients initially, and so doesnt feel manipulated by the man giving her money. Later, once there is a true relationship, the woman can give up her other clients if she and the man want monogamy. Lots of escorts plan on this career path. That is, make a nest egg while young, then marry or have an LTR with a favorite client.

This approach is, like I said, mainly for older men like me living part of full time in Ukraine (or SE Asia or Latin America). Nothing wrong with turning whores into hosewives if you do it right. Main thing is don't bring them back to the USA as wives where you risk divorce rape. Treat them like half wild animals and leave them in their natural environment. I personally have no plans to marry my mistress. Being able to leave at any time, and seeing her only part of the year, keeps us both on our best behavior, so the relationship remains in honeymoon mode forever. Needless to say, I'm taking here about high class escorts who are selective about their clients and always use condoms, not the low class drug users in brothels who take anyone who has money in his pocket.

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Re: Is Dream Connections by Mark Davis worth the high price? Any experiences? (Uncensored Open Discussion)

Post by ErnieMagic » May 5th, 2019, 3:42 am

Shemp wrote:
May 4th, 2019, 11:57 am
Everyone scoffs when I tell them my approach, for older men living part or full time in Ukraine. Namely, hire a series of escorts for test drives. When you find one that clicks with you, start seeing her on a regular basis. Eventually, a true relationship develops. You still have to pay her, but so what? As I noted in a previous post, you have to pay almost any young woman if you want her to maintain her femininity.

(Older women who were housewives and then got rich by divorce or widowhood are another story. These can remain feminine without you paying them. Some beautiful widows like that in Ukraine in their early 40's. These were trophy wives who married rich man 20 years older when they were 19 or 20 years old, and then the man died when he turned 60 and the woman was 40. Men often die young in Ukraine.)

One of the advantages of escorts of that the relationship doesn't have a complete power imbalance. So many men think, I'll "save" one of these poor Ukrainian women who only make $300/month. That is a very unpleasant attitude from the woman's perspective, even submissive women, and very tempting for the man in this position to lord it over the woman. (Think of our own ContrarianExpat and that girl who is so grateful to him, or so he says.) Whereas escorts are toughened up psychologically and used to men trying to manipulate them with money, and they'll shoot the man down fast if he gets too big for his britches. This is good because it forces the man to behave himself and treat the woman with respect from the start, until true respect develops naturally as part of a real relationship. Meanwhile, the woman retains her power, since she has a book of other clients initially, and so doesnt feel manipulated by the man giving her money. Later, once there is a true relationship, the woman can give up her other clients if she and the man want monogamy. Lots of escorts plan on this career path. That is, make a nest egg while young, then marry or have an LTR with a favorite client.

This approach is, like I said, mainly for older men like me living part of full time in Ukraine (or SE Asia or Latin America). Nothing wrong with turning whores into hosewives if you do it right. Main thing is don't bring them back to the USA as wives where you risk divorce rape. Treat them like half wild animals and leave them in their natural environment. I personally have no plans to marry my mistress. Being able to leave at any time, and seeing her only part of the year, keeps us both on our best behavior, so the relationship remains in honeymoon mode forever. Needless to say, I'm taking here about high class escorts who are selective about their clients and always use condoms, not the low class drug users in brothels who take anyone who has money in his pocket.
I picked up immediately that Shemp was very wise to the game and is offering very sound advice to many newbies and those considering a romance tour who are reading this thread. I will keep the subject matter on the thread discussion topic of DC. Just to throw out a question. We all know Ukranian women are the masters of manipulation when it comes to men. Do you think MD has become a mere puppet in his own company? He seems lost to what is going on with the women side of the business. Is MD is being left in the dark? The women only need MD to launch his marketing skills to get men to Ukraine. After that, he's nothing more than Colonel Sanders walking around the KFC shaking hands in his costume of fancy clothes and jewelry. Now, MD is even covering himself in tattoo's like some gangster Ukrainian hooligan. Does he think he is Ukraine mob?

His manager is doing the work of getting women to the socials and was a former employee of one of the Big Local Dating Agencies in Nikolaev. I am sure she has been around the block and knows the money game. Once the suggestion began swirling of some DC women being paid by the local agencies, MD quickly posted up a video of his Manager saying "no women were being obtained from local agencies". The Manager has been set up on video. If anything goes off the tracks, MD and AD are released from any liability as the "manager" will be the fall character. MD is a genius to cover his ass and these Ukrainians underestimate him. Several former tour clients and those dating some of the women in the local area have reports of the Manager offering payment for social attendance and to go on dates with certain clients so they have the impression their DC experience was worth the money. He's even getting them to fill out "company reviews" at the time they think these women are into them so they rave about the DC experience. Once the train comes off the tracks when they return to their homeland, some of these men are realizing they were duped and begin to complain. It's not an issue until it ends up on the internet where it's being exposed. MD then whips out the review when they said it was a total great experience using it against them. Notice the pattern and it's happened in many cases. These guy's are being set up from start to finish in a paper and video trail. Brilliant mind this MD! Some go away silently with the legal threats. He's a diabotical genuis! Even goes so far as being suspected here posting under alias names as the manipulation has no end!

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Re: Is Dream Connections by Mark Davis worth the high price? Any experiences? (Uncensored Open Discussion)

Post by Cornfed » May 5th, 2019, 4:12 am

If you are going to rent prostitutes to find a girlfriend, why not just keep renting prostitutes? What is the advantage in tying yourself down to one whore?

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