Can the Pill Make A Woman Pick the Wrong Man?

[josephty1]

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[Adama]

Of course it does, because it allows women to choose to sleep around before marriage.

[Cornfed]

I don't think it explains their preference for scum, but it does explain many divorces. The scenario is that the female is humping dirtbags on the pill but then realized her womb is growing cobwebs and so marries some guy she finds palatable. She then goes off the pill to have children and due to the resulting hormonal changes is suddenly repulsed by him, for which she of course blames him and files for divorce. Yet another reason not to marry Western sluts.

[Adama]

I don't think it explains their preference for scum, but it does explain many divorces. The scenario is that the female is humping dirtbags on the pill but then realized her womb is growing cobwebs and so marries some guy she finds palatable. She then goes off the pill to have children and due to the resulting hormonal changes is suddenly repulsed by him, for which she of course blames him and files for divorce. Yet another reason not to marry Western sluts.

It's not the hormones that do it. It is only the fact that they are whores. That is it.

[Cornfed]

It's not the hormones that do it. It is only the fact that they are whores. That is it.

Numerous studies have shown it to be the hormones as well.

[Adama]

Science, falsely so called.

[onethousandknives]

Science, falsely so called.

Whatever, you believe the Earth is flat, right?

Anyway, one problem with the birth control pill is it causes really rapid personality changes in women as well. I think it would even explain a lot of the reason why American women are the way they are with their crazy personalities.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12812862

Results from three studies suggest fluctuation in estrogen level may influence the expression of borderline personality disorder (BPD) symptoms. In the first study, 226 women were administered the Personality Assessment Inventory, borderline scales (PAI-BOR; L.C. Morey, The Personality Assessment Inventory, Professional Manual, 1991) and a questionnaire that assessed time in menstrual cycle and use of oral contraceptives, that is synthetic estrogens. BPD symptoms were most common in women using oral contraceptives and during times in the menstrual cycle when estrogen level is rising. In Study 2, 52 women were measured four times across one menstrual cycle and provided salivary samples at each test session. The samples were assayed and estrogen levels were obtained. The principle finding was that variation in estrogen levels predicted the presence of BPD symptoms (r=0.4, p<0.01). This relationship remained significant when a general increase in negative affect was statistically controlled. Study 3 employed a pre-post Oral Contraceptive (OC) design with a control group. It was found that for women with high pre-existing levels of BPD, symptoms became significantly worse after starting pill use (F (3,42)=4.7; p<0.01). Research findings that link the serotonin system and estrogen are reviewed and theoretical and practical implications are discussed.

Fun stuff.

[Adama]

Science, falsely so called.

Whatever, you believe the Earth is flat, right?

Anyway, one problem with the birth control pill is it causes really rapid personality changes in women as well. I think it would even explain a lot of the reason why American women are the way they are with their crazy personalities.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12812862

Results from three studies suggest fluctuation in estrogen level may influence the expression of borderline personality disorder (BPD) symptoms. In the first study, 226 women were administered the Personality Assessment Inventory, borderline scales (PAI-BOR; L.C. Morey, The Personality Assessment Inventory, Professional Manual, 1991) and a questionnaire that assessed time in menstrual cycle and use of oral contraceptives, that is synthetic estrogens. BPD symptoms were most common in women using oral contraceptives and during times in the menstrual cycle when estrogen level is rising. In Study 2, 52 women were measured four times across one menstrual cycle and provided salivary samples at each test session. The samples were assayed and estrogen levels were obtained. The principle finding was that variation in estrogen levels predicted the presence of BPD symptoms (r=0.4, p<0.01). This relationship remained significant when a general increase in negative affect was statistically controlled. Study 3 employed a pre-post Oral Contraceptive (OC) design with a control group. It was found that for women with high pre-existing levels of BPD, symptoms became significantly worse after starting pill use (F (3,42)=4.7; p<0.01). Research findings that link the serotonin system and estrogen are reviewed and theoretical and practical implications are discussed.

Fun stuff.

Yes, that is correct. The thing with these scientists is, whatever the outcome they're paid to get, they'll reach it. I don't understand why people don't get that these people are paid by researchers to come to a pre existing conclusion.

Ever hear about eggs and coffee? Some studies say you should avoid eggs. Some studies say you should avoid coffee. Then other studies will come out to tell you that both are actually healthy for you. Which set of scientists would you trust?

Would you trust the scientists who would prescribe a statin drug for you, knowing that it does damage to your liver and pokes holes in your brain causing liver disease and dementia? And they don't acknowledge that the cure is worse than the disease because they make their entire living off of peddling pills. And you believe these so called scientists?

And since you think I must lack intelligence on some level, how is a study on women with "borderline personality disorder (BPD)" relevant here? You pump drugs into a psycho and then you blame the drugs for the psycho being a psycho? That doesn't make sense.

Now if a person was to claim that hormones can influence moods, I would say fine, but not behaviors. As you can see even from the study you yourself posted for some mysterious reason (bahaha), the women in the study were already psychos. Hardly a good study at all.

[Adama]

Scientists don't actually know what's going on in the brain. They are speculating. They can't measure neurotransmitters in the brain. They can merely take images of the brain using radioactive markers to see where their medication (poison) ends up inside the brain. They'll mislead you to believe that that means they know what's going on. They don't. They are just selling magical pills. Look into for yourself. The whole pharmaceutical industry is a money making scam designed to make people life long customers and especially to make people sicker so they can be prescribed more pills for the damage the medication they're already taken has done to them. The silly people just think they are getting older, while in reality their doctors are poisoning them to death slowly. Keep trusting in these people and their radical theories just because all the other goons in white who are paid to deceive you agree with one another.

[onethousandknives]

That doesn't refute my points at all. The women with BPD manifest it much more and much more often while on birth control. What ulterior motive would someone have to pay for such a study? Birth control is given out quite literally like candy in this country, and it's given to girls who have not even finished developing, and is a giant industry with television advertisements and stuff.

Anyway, point is, just like someone with mild depression or anxiety might have few/very little problems in their life and social interactions with people, then you introduce a factor that makes it go from mild to severe and then you cause problems for that person and the people around him likely, too. Mild BPD symptoms would likely be the same way, someone that is mildly schizophrenic for example (schizotypal) could lead a very good life, but if something triggers it to full blown schizophrenia then he and people around him suffer. As far as what I mean by practical differences of this study (since many women with BPD are undiagnosed as well...) a mildly BPD type woman might, say, occasionally mildly nag you once a week. Now put this woman on birth control and she throws stuff at you and yells and screams everyday. One is able to be lived with, one isn't.

This is why most intoxicants are discouraged, because they have an amplifying effect on behaviors. Do you think people who crash their cars when driving drunk, do most have perfect driving records or would be described by their friends as good, safe, and careful drivers when not drunk? No, generally not. But we discourage and penalize drunk driving, public drunkenness, etc, because alcohol makes people with a propensity to do stupid things even more likely to do it. Sure, deep down they may just be horrible people, but as far as how everyone else is concerned, not having them drunk makes life better for everyone else around them.

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(Keep in mind, I do not believe in psychiatry as a god and it is entirely subjective of a "science" but you can use the diagnostic criteria as a word for certain behaviors and subsets of them...)

[onethousandknives]

For anyone doubting the effect of hormones alone on changing a person, hormones alone can do this:





I'd also like to note something about estradiol, which is what birth control pills contain a synthetic version of.
http://raypeat.com/articles/hormones/h1.shtml Estradiol is a shock hormone. It's not meant to be elevated significantly all the time, but by using birth control pills, it is. Of note, they had to lower the doses in birth control pills by significant amounts in recent years. One thing of note, that may explain biologically an attraction to Asian women is most in Asia have lower estradiol levels than American women, with it being thought to be partially genetic, and partially lifestyle choices. Asian women also have more estriol, which is a milder estrogen generally thought to improve health instead of doing things like causing cancer like estradiol does.

I could go on and on about hormones as I find the topic quite interesting, but I think in the West the sociological and physiological landscape has been so altered by them that humans have been altered significantly and we're in very uncharted territory. I can even say with certainty that most cases of transgenderism, transexuality, and even to some extent homosexuality have been caused by environmental hormones, speaking more to natal exposure and genetic alteration by pharmaceuticals, and not even things like plastic/etc.