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Epidemic of Male virgins in America

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Re: Epidemic of Male virgins in America

Post by OutWest » October 30th, 2014, 4:09 am

publicduende wrote:
OutWest wrote:The epidemic is one of millions of pathetic little whiny he-bitches. Men are no longer men, they are "guys",
or little "manlets". Churches of course have become little more than enforcers for the pu$$y cartel.
It's really messed up and indicative of a culture in terminal decline.
I wouldn't put the terminal decline of society, or at least of healthy balance between sexes, down to men's pussification, but to women's progressively gaining with more opportunity and power, let alone the smorgasbord of political and social backing. Mostly at the men's expenses.

Ironic how some of the social models where the skew is heaviest towards men, like Latin America, the Philippines, China etc. still sport numerous female power brokers at every echelon of politics, industry, and obviously media. Ok, Cristina Kirchner and Gloria Macapagal both came from presidential families, but what about Dilma Rousseff (Brasil) and Michelle Bachelet (Chile)?

The reality is, it's not all black and white and, at least outside the festering Anglosphere, there is a third way where women can feel like having real opportunities without having to espouse some extreme barking fringe of feminism, or lose their femininity at all.
What is going on in North America and Western Europe has little to do with anything remotely akin to
"a healthy balance between the sexes." Making men weak does not create strong women. Strong men foster strong
daughters. Weak men, well, its what you are getting now. Note, I did not say that the pussification of men was the cause of societal decline- I refer to it as an indicator. It is a symptom of cultural and moral destruction.
What is being destroyed in men will not remotely be created in women.




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Post by MatureDJ » October 30th, 2014, 6:17 pm

Contrarian Expatriate wrote:At a certain point after men start departing, the value of men will go back up again, but that is a long way off.
This is the MGTOW (Men Going Their Own Way) movement.

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Post by MatureDJ » October 30th, 2014, 6:21 pm

Taco wrote:More American women are going pro using websites like "Seeking Arrangement" where they get paid up to $3500 per "date". That's another reason most guys are still virgins.
Just for shits, I set up an account at https://www.whatsyourprice.com/ and get a steady stream of women "interested" in me.

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Post by Gadfly » October 30th, 2014, 6:44 pm

The value of men will go back up again? That's assuming quite a bit.

Even if enough men started leaving, and even if the women started to seem more respectful of men as a result, I doubt that would solve very much IMO.

Much of North America and Western Europe has been sick for a VERY long time now. Feminism is only one part of the problem.

MGTOW? What a joke. It's just a bunch of men who think they've found the answer by hiding in their basement.

I don't know what's going to happen, but I fear the worst. I do know that a healthy balance between the sexes will not arise from some bogus "3rd way" whereby women can feel like having "real opportunities." It's this type of Western European thinking that makes you wonder what we ever saw in these people in the first place.

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Re: Epidemic of Male virgins in America

Post by fschmidt » October 30th, 2014, 6:49 pm

I'm impressed, Gadfly. So what is your solution?

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Re: Epidemic of Male virgins in America

Post by Gadfly » October 31st, 2014, 3:07 am

I am a Christian... IMO if societies hope to survive, then they can't be secular. I would like to see human societies run as Christian theocracies. But even that is no guarantee of success, unless the citizenry were vigilant in their devotion to God.

I don't have a blueprint for the ideal society. But then, human intellect is nothing, compared to the power of Satan. He will ruin every attempt at a well-organized, patriarchal society. Unless we have God on our side, we're going to lose.

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Re: Epidemic of Male virgins in America

Post by Tsar » October 31st, 2014, 3:37 am

Gadfly wrote:I am a Christian... IMO if societies hope to survive, then they can't be secular. I would like to see human societies run as Christian theocracies. But even that is no guarantee of success, unless the citizenry were vigilant in their devotion to God.

I don't have a blueprint for the ideal society. But then, human intellect is nothing, compared to the power of Satan. He will ruin every attempt at a well-organized, disciplined, patriarchal society. So if we don't have God on our side, we’re going to lose.
I have a blueprint for an ideal society there's no real point at this time to actually write that into a manifesto. Established societies are already set in stone and there's no way they can be fixed from the inside. They must be destroyed and then rebuilt using a new blueprint.

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Re: Epidemic of Male virgins in America

Post by fschmidt » October 31st, 2014, 4:42 am

Gadfly wrote:I am a Christian... IMO if societies hope to survive, then they can't be secular. I would like to see human societies run as Christian theocracies. But even that is no guarantee of success, unless the citizenry were vigilant in their devotion to God.

I don't have a blueprint for the ideal society. But then, human intellect is nothing, compared to the power of Satan. He will ruin every attempt at a well-organized, patriarchal society. Unless we have God on our side, we're going to lose.
I should have said "practical solution" as distinguished from "ideal solution".

Religions can have a practical impact on their own members even without government support. I have been working on this specifically for Christians. Since you are Christian, I would be interested in your feedback on this thread:

viewtopic.php?f=15&t=24730

My practical approach is to try to get Christians to follow the concepts of the Bible and to reject modern culture.

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Re: Epidemic of Male virgins in America

Post by Gadfly » October 31st, 2014, 6:13 pm

fschmidt wrote: My practical approach is to try to get Christians to follow the concepts of the Bible and to reject modern culture.
Yes I would agree with that. Although I would add regular prayer as well. And proselytizing others, if you can. Any solution, practical or ideal, has to involve God, IMO.

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Re: Epidemic of Male virgins in America

Post by Wolfeye » October 31st, 2014, 10:43 pm

People turn to the Bible anytime they figure society has taken a bad turn. They figure it's going to fix everything. Not for nothing, but what about the simple fact that plenty of problems happened in Bible-following societies? Not even getting into whether it was against the Bible or along with it to cause all the various, appalling, things that have been done with the "Bible in hand."

Personally, I figure a lot of things have to do with the concept of not fighting back. That's a major thing & it seems like they'd rather be hyper-religious when someone tries to kill them, but not when it comes that whole "forgiveness" thing- especially when it comes to minor things. That's like ranking a pickpocket as a more severe thing than a murder!

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Re: Epidemic of Male virgins in America

Post by MarcosZeitola » November 1st, 2014, 10:28 am

OutWest wrote:The epidemic is one of millions of pathetic little whiny he-bitches. Men are no longer men, they are "guys",
or little "manlets". Churches of course have become little more than enforcers for the pu$$y cartel.
It's really messed up and indicative of a culture in terminal decline.
Very true. Men not being men is the biggest reason. But to be fair, it's not much of a loss. If a weak and whiny man cannot get laid, so be it. I feel more the strong and decent man who is in the same boat. But at least he has the tools to get out there, go into the world and change his life for the better. The strong man acts, the weak man cries alone in a corner. It's always been like that, and I suspect it always will be.

There's also the fact that these "chronic virgins" make their lack of sexual success into a part of their identity. It becomes who they are, rather then a problem they face. They make it their identity and take no action, inspire no pity or sympathy with their attitudes, nor get or deserve any understanding. They do not take a good look at their own personalities, life styles and life's choices.

Yes society is messed up, yes, there are many men suffering from this, but no, crying about it won't "fix" a thing. You fixing yourself will. It's all you can do. If you are not a part of the solution, you are a part of the problem.

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Re: Epidemic of Male virgins in America

Post by publicduende » November 1st, 2014, 6:12 pm

OutWest wrote:What is going on in North America and Western Europe has little to do with anything remotely akin to
"a healthy balance between the sexes."
Sorry, I have re-read my post and there was a missing word. It should have read: "I wouldn't put the terminal decline of society, or at least the lack of a healthy balance between sexes, down to men's pussification..."

I am quite critical of those who exasperate the tones of the public discourse on gender equality and gender dynamics, making it look like there's a full-blown war which only one side can win, at the other's expense none the less.

There is nothing wrong with women being on the same platform as men when it comes to academic and professional opportunities, down to more or less questionable lifestyle choices. For all their conditioning and downward pressure towards minimum common denominator pop culture, first-world societies are not tyrannies, they don't restrict individual freedom and don't mask the responsibilities for the consequences of an individual's choice.

A woman must be allowed to develop herself as a career woman if she so wishes, as she will bear the full brunt of her choices. Same if said young woman wants to dive into two decades worth of sexual debauchery and then think she can settle down and feel true love towards the first man who gives her the time of the day. Again, her choice, and her frustration if she complains later.
OutWest wrote:Making men weak does not create strong women. Strong men foster strong
daughters. Weak men, well, its what you are getting now. Note, I did not say that the pussification of men was the cause of societal decline- I refer to it as an indicator. It is a symptom of cultural and moral destruction.
What is being destroyed in men will not remotely be created in women.
What's happening now is that, for all the push towards equality, both men and women are dragged down in terms of maturity and social responsibility. Their emotional and psychological development is being stunted. Strong daughters (and sons) are fostered by strong families who are consistent with their values and instil them in their offspring. Strong daughters and sons are also fostered in extended families, where the inter-generational dialogue happens not only with the parents but with the grandparents as well.

If you want to talk about terminal societal decline, I wouldn't even think of starting from feminism and women having the little princess syndrome. There's much bigger fish to fry first, starting from the endemic hypocrisy and corruption of the "do as I say, not as I do" baby boomer generation. Continuing with the collapse of the family system, with up to 75% kids having to endure the drama (sometimes tragedy) of their parent's divorce, or living in company of videogames and porn in a two-job household where parents are rarely present. Etc.

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Post by RickyRetardo » November 8th, 2014, 6:52 am

MarcosZeitola wrote:A male virgin in his twenties or older is seen as a defective human being by most. And harsh as this may sound, there is a lot of common sense in that. Because if you live in a country with an abundance of sluts and easy, immoral women, there really is no reason for you not to get laid and your inability to do so hints at a problem on your part.
What about a man who only wants sex with a woman whom he loves?

Some people find the idea of casual sex unappealing.
Let's get together and feel alright.

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Post by Tsar » November 8th, 2014, 7:11 am

RickyRetardo wrote:
MarcosZeitola wrote:A male virgin in his twenties or older is seen as a defective human being by most. And harsh as this may sound, there is a lot of common sense in that. Because if you live in a country with an abundance of sluts and easy, immoral women, there really is no reason for you not to get laid and your inability to do so hints at a problem on your part.
What about a man who only wants sex with a woman whom he loves?

Some people find the idea of casual sex unappealing.
World must be more attentive to male virgins

Link to Article: http://english.pravda.ru/society/sex/28 ... _virgin-0/
Marcos's viewpoint is one of many. But male virgins can't be grouped into one category or some can't be grouped in any categorical viewpoint. Every person is different. A male virgin isn't defective. Sometimes a male virgin chooses not to lose his virginity, especially to a defective slut.
Promises, religion or personal beliefs may be reasons for male virginity. Mathematician Isaac Newton and philosopher Immanuel Kant preserved their virginity, since they believed that it is worth wasting your energy on science, not on sex.

source: http://english.pravda.ru/society/sex/28 ... _virgin-0/
It is very likely that one of the greatest scientists in history, Nicola Tesla, also remained a virgin.

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Re: Epidemic of Male virgins in America

Post by abcdavid01 » November 8th, 2014, 9:44 am

Tsar wrote:
Gadfly wrote:I am a Christian... IMO if societies hope to survive, then they can't be secular. I would like to see human societies run as Christian theocracies. But even that is no guarantee of success, unless the citizenry were vigilant in their devotion to God.

I don't have a blueprint for the ideal society. But then, human intellect is nothing, compared to the power of Satan. He will ruin every attempt at a well-organized, disciplined, patriarchal society. So if we don't have God on our side, we’re going to lose.
I have a blueprint for an ideal society there's no real point at this time to actually write that into a manifesto. Established societies are already set in stone and there's no way they can be fixed from the inside. They must be destroyed and then rebuilt using a new blueprint.
What do you mean Tsar? I took another century for Marx's blueprint to see any progress.

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