Moretorque wrote: ↑July 13th, 2018, 10:40 pm
You are saying that a lot of the world is capitalism and that is what you were saying at first, capitalism is defined by private property is it not? You are saying capitalism is flawed because of profit and I am saying nobody is going to put their best foot forward if they cannot keep the fruits of their own labor.
I'm not anti property and i'm not advocating Communism where a 'worker's state' takes over all the factories and farms and basically is just a totalitarian dictatorship for all intents and purposes. Not all property is the same. There's a big difference between a guy keeping control of his house and car and some mega corporation taking over all the utilities of some South American country after the CIA overthrows its democratically elected government. After which the people in the country trying to take back some of the country's natural resources so they can be used for the people that live on the land there, is called 'aggression' and an attack on property rights. So i disagree with private property used in that way but agree with property that supports people's rights and individual freedoms.
The whole entire world wide system has been hijacked and is being promoted as capitalism on purpose in order to destroy private property. You can't run a honest system of government or society that protects property rights and the fruits of labor without honest money.
You are saying profit is a problem and no it's not with competition so others can bring better options to market and displace run away monopolies who do not produce for society but as with any governing body the sheople go to sleep and the governing system gets hijacked just like America and the parasites take over. You cannot fix stupid and our rulers figured this long ago and this is their ACE....... The US first twelve amendments were the original and the 13th " titles of nobility " was placed in after the 1ST bank tried to take the country completely over but was censored out over time. Why ? because that is how they got us and that is how they do it today everywhere.
I agree that big monopolies are a problem but you don't seem to see my point about how this is encouraged by the profit motive. No competition does not just naturally remove monopolies, unlike some economic theorists may propose, with the 'invisible hand' of the market clearing up the issues. And I agree too that the banks are just parasites taking over the country while not producing any useful work but I am not understanding how you disagree that this is systemically encouraged by capitalism. Whether it's banking scams, or cutting corners on product safety to increase profit margins, this is all just a pursuit of the profit motive. Common decency would make most people think those things are wrong but it is discouraged by the system and undermined.
No system will work if the populace refuses to educate itself and as I told you I have seen the films you posted many times but not for several years and they are nothing new......
The American system can be molded to be whatever the people want but not if congress works for somebody else controlling the money spigot. Your point is BS, all the amassed power in this world and most of the corruption is from an organization that has an unlimited supply of #'s to manipulate us and a populace not quite able to figure it all out.
Not sure which point you mean here. Systemic corruption in capitalism or something else? Obviously systemic flaws only go so far and specific groups like the World Bank and the Federal Reserve are very big infuences in what's causing corruption in the world, but this is just a feedback loop. Flaws in the system create openings for these scams and then these kinds of groups will just make the system far worse as it is now.
I could tell you had never been in business for yourself, it's just obvious.
Our rulers are going to lock all the capital up if they can and it will just be a controlled state economy and marketed as democratic capitalism to the masses.
Don't kid yourself individuals with individual ideas " who want profit for their labor " is what created the modern world and I am also all for a safety net as well for the people but you cannot have the commies ripping the system off for 19 trillion and laying claim to the world with these purchasing tickets and then wondering why it's all going to shit for the average Joe and of course they will just tell you that's capitalism in action for you AND YOU WILL BELIEVE IT along with the other sheep.
It's not like profit is always inevitably bad no matter what. People who want resources to survive in the past did try to get money for labor, and in earlier times there was often just no other option, not like everyone's going to be a sustenance farmer. But times change and technology has improved over time making it more feasible to create effectively a resource abundance. Obviously yes the scenario you outlined could be used as an excuse by the ruling elite, where it's just blamed on 'capitalism' rather than also the specific groups exploiting further the flaws of capitalism and making the world into a shithole. Just because i talk about the systemic flaws doesn't mean these kinds of groups don't exist but it's a very important point to show the systemic errors and how they perpetuate the problem.
The whole reason bankers can come along and exploit everyone like that is their dependence on the monetary system mostly due to lack of other ways to manage things in a freedom-respecting way at the time where people could achieve their resource needs without being independently capable of acquiring all they need. Due to technological advances the necessity of this medium of exchange has basically disappeared, although obviously the ruling elite would try to use technology to instead facilitate an unbreakable dictatorship. Point is that the old economic system is becoming obsolete and no longer necessary for everyone to obtain needs in an open source way not requiring a hierarchical government. You yourself said that apparently there is a car engine that can run on water alone, which would already obsolete anyone's need to ever buy fuel again, they could just obtain it anywhere there is water. In other words that invention runs counter to capitalism as it reduces the market and the range of goods that need to be bought and sold. If someone invented a car that would also never break down for an extremely long time then you wouldn't need to replace with a new car removing more need to buy products. And so on, the further you improve technical efficiency of products the less needs to be bought and sold. The more indoor aeroponics and aquaponics improve and the more people are able to be self sufficient with their own food, the less they need to buy. Ideally everyone is self sufficient and the market becomes fully obsolete with enough technical advancement, but the point is the same regardless of the degree, technological progress renders capitalism more obsolete over time.
Did you look at the Gene Pax generator, that will solve being able to live in your local ECO like right now. Did you look at what Dr. Royal Rife or Tesla were attempting to do ? they all tried to bring things to market but were shut down by the bad money system because our rulers don't want competition to displace them. Yes competition can cure many ills!
That's a good example of science and individuals who want to benefit society accomplishing a lot of good things. Actually that's an example of competition undermining true progress if true. As the market system means you should undermine your competition if you want to profit, regardless of the social cost of doing so. So if your competitor would render your whole profit mechanism obsolete then you are doomed to go out of business unless you prevent their invention from getting out.
Please you need to go study your history on this a little better, you have ALOT more reading to do.
Everything from Wall Street to the military industrial complex here and world wide was created by the people who are trying to destroy all private property except for theirs and make it all part of the Crown system. Also there are supposed to be no standing armies in America that is what the militia was for, they gave them a Navy with 25,000 men to look out for England. This whole entire police state here in the US was done at the behest of the Crown Corp so they can come get the land for the debt owed on their bills of credit. Go look at a map of UN agenda 21 for the USA to see what they have planned for the American peskies who disobeyed the Crown from the beginning.....
I am telling you the founding documents for America with updates are the answer as far as a government for the people but you cannot fix stupid! The country was designed to promote competition amongst the states and evenly distribute the power across a broad range. As with capitalism with a honest money system the economy will be spread across the hands of many many private owners and this solves many many problems with resource monopolies and amassed power leading to so much corruption.
I am not saying capitalism is the answer but what I am saying is it's defined by private property and therefore I have never seen it and neither have you.......
I'll look into more of the things you mentioned later. I agree with the legal system having some countermeasures that are supposed to prevent too much corruption. Like those Anti-Trust laws that seem to never get invoked anymore as these few giant corporations dominate everything, which happens to also include owning all the congressmen. I'm not going to dogmatically say that capitalism is always bad, as sometimes beneficial results can still emerge under it. But I definitely don't think it's ideal, or that human needs are optimally delivered under a price tag at all. Obviously the typical false dichotomy the elite creates is that if you don't endure their version of capitalism then anything else must be some communist dictatorship which is not what I am saying would be good at all. All the things you advocate if true, like water powered cars or a RIFE machine that cures cancer, if optimally applied, would go against capitalism as a whole. For example, if a RIFE machine can cure cancer as you say then the best method would be if technology advanced to the point where everyone could have one to cure cancer easily. Or just go to a doctor that has one for free. There would be little revenue to gain from doing this but much increase in social health. In fact if the machine just lasted many decades and required little energy to cure cancer it would be essentially cost-less to make cancer no longer an issue in the world. This would obviously be good on an objective social level so if you realize this you have to agree that social welfare is definitely not the same thing as what's good for the market.
The market may have been more necessary in the past for maintaining a medium of exchange as open source platforms like the internet obviously did not exist at the time. But now that the internet exists and technology has advanced much since then the possibility for more and more individual self sufficiency through applied technology has grown quite a lot and will only grow bigger over time. Leading to basically the inevitable obsolence of the market.