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America Fast Becoming A Dictatorship

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You cannot ignore this problem forever.

America Fast Becoming A Dictatorship
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Even the left is now noticing the growing police state. Here is an article out today from Mother Jones.

"How Every Part of American Life Became a Police Matter

From the workplace to our private lives, American society is starting to resemble a police state."


http://www.motherjones.com/politics/201 ... tarization
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MrPeabody wrote:Even the left is now noticing the growing police state. Here is an article out today from Mother Jones.

"How Every Part of American Life Became a Police Matter

From the workplace to our private lives, American society is starting to resemble a police state."


http://www.motherjones.com/politics/201 ... tarization
Lol, starting to resemble? After seeing some of the legal repercussions activists have faced for everything from whistleblowing to exposing dirty deals in politics, I fear trying to expose the corruption within our system, as I might very well end up behind bars. When citizens must fear imprisonment for seeking the truth, they certainly live within a police state. Here's a great book on how they take down undesirables:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1594035229

Basically, laws are so vague these days that it is virtually impossible to not commit a crime in the act of daily living. The author goes on to show how people commit an average of about three felonies every day, giving the state the ability to lock up anyone of their choosing.
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MrPeabody wrote:Even the left is now noticing the growing police state. Here is an article out today from Mother Jones.

"How Every Part of American Life Became a Police Matter

From the workplace to our private lives, American society is starting to resemble a police state."


http://www.motherjones.com/politics/201 ... tarization
"Even the left is now noticing...?" I think you've got it backwards. It wasn't the right that was objecting to Chicago police busting heads in 1968, National Guardsmen shooting college kids in 1970, cops beating anti-globalism demonstrators in 1999, and on and on. All that time the right was in its "law and order" phase, one result of which was the draconian federal sentencing guidelines put out during the Reagan era, which unleashed the prosecutorial abuses mentioned by House above.

The civil liberties left attempting to curb the power of the police state through the 4th Amendment and other approaches is a long-standing tradition in American politics. It's good that a few on the libertarian-right are finally starting to notice the problem.
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gsjackson wrote:
MrPeabody wrote:Even the left is now noticing the growing police state. Here is an article out today from Mother Jones.

"How Every Part of American Life Became a Police Matter

From the workplace to our private lives, American society is starting to resemble a police state."


http://www.motherjones.com/politics/201 ... tarization
"Even the left is now noticing...?" I think you've got it backwards. It wasn't the right that was objecting to Chicago police busting heads in 1968, National Guardsmen shooting college kids in 1970, cops beating anti-globalism demonstrators in 1999, and on and on. All that time the right was in its "law and order" phase, one result of which was the draconian federal sentencing guidelines put out during the Reagan era, which unleashed the prosecutorial abuses mentioned by House above.

The civil liberties left attempting to curb the power of the police state through the 4th Amendment and other approaches is a long-standing tradition in American politics. It's good that a few on the libertarian-right are finally starting to notice the problem.
Both sides are slowly encroaching on our freedom, just in different ways. The left passes laws against weapon possession and hate speech, while the right passes laws that allow for breeches of privacy and pushes for ever harsher penalties for victimless crimes. They both mean well, or so they claim. But the road to hell is paved with good intentions, after all.

Our political system is a false dichotomy, a means by which those in power can divide and conquer us by using peripheral issues like abortion and gay marriage as bait. Most Americans are centrists, but there is no centrist party, so we are left choosing between the lesser of two evils at every election. Rather than having a party that would optimize our current laws, we end up with two activist parties that want to swing the pendulum in their direction.
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gsjackson wrote:
MrPeabody wrote:Even the left is now noticing the growing police state. Here is an article out today from Mother Jones.

"How Every Part of American Life Became a Police Matter

From the workplace to our private lives, American society is starting to resemble a police state."


http://www.motherjones.com/politics/201 ... tarization
"Even the left is now noticing...?" I think you've got it backwards. It wasn't the right that was objecting to Chicago police busting heads in 1968, National Guardsmen shooting college kids in 1970, cops beating anti-globalism demonstrators in 1999, and on and on. All that time the right was in its "law and order" phase, one result of which was the draconian federal sentencing guidelines put out during the Reagan era, which unleashed the prosecutorial abuses mentioned by House above.

The civil liberties left attempting to curb the power of the police state through the 4th Amendment and other approaches is a long-standing tradition in American politics. It's good that a few on the libertarian-right are finally starting to notice the problem.
Who did the "Civil Liberties Left" vote for in the last two elections?
I will wait for the answer after the laughter dies down...


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OutWest wrote:
gsjackson wrote:
MrPeabody wrote:Even the left is now noticing the growing police state. Here is an article out today from Mother Jones.

"How Every Part of American Life Became a Police Matter

From the workplace to our private lives, American society is starting to resemble a police state."


http://www.motherjones.com/politics/201 ... tarization
"Even the left is now noticing...?" I think you've got it backwards. It wasn't the right that was objecting to Chicago police busting heads in 1968, National Guardsmen shooting college kids in 1970, cops beating anti-globalism demonstrators in 1999, and on and on. All that time the right was in its "law and order" phase, one result of which was the draconian federal sentencing guidelines put out during the Reagan era, which unleashed the prosecutorial abuses mentioned by House above.

The civil liberties left attempting to curb the power of the police state through the 4th Amendment and other approaches is a long-standing tradition in American politics. It's good that a few on the libertarian-right are finally starting to notice the problem.
Who did the "Civil Liberties Left" vote for in the last two elections?
I will wait for the answer after the laughter dies down...


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It's a false dichotomy. They both want to limit our freedoms and rights, just in ways they deem socially acceptable.
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HouseMD wrote:
OutWest wrote:
gsjackson wrote:
MrPeabody wrote:Even the left is now noticing the growing police state. Here is an article out today from Mother Jones.

"How Every Part of American Life Became a Police Matter

From the workplace to our private lives, American society is starting to resemble a police state."


http://www.motherjones.com/politics/201 ... tarization
"Even the left is now noticing...?" I think you've got it backwards. It wasn't the right that was objecting to Chicago police busting heads in 1968, National Guardsmen shooting college kids in 1970, cops beating anti-globalism demonstrators in 1999, and on and on. All that time the right was in its "law and order" phase, one result of which was the draconian federal sentencing guidelines put out during the Reagan era, which unleashed the prosecutorial abuses mentioned by House above.

The civil liberties left attempting to curb the power of the police state through the 4th Amendment and other approaches is a long-standing tradition in American politics. It's good that a few on the libertarian-right are finally starting to notice the problem.
Who did the "Civil Liberties Left" vote for in the last two elections?
I will wait for the answer after the laughter dies down...


outwest
It's a false dichotomy. They both want to limit our freedoms and rights, just in ways they deem socially acceptable.
What dichotomy? The Bush-Obama administration has worked tirelessly to destroy freedom.
It has been a very effective team.
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OutWest wrote:
HouseMD wrote:
OutWest wrote:
gsjackson wrote:
MrPeabody wrote:Even the left is now noticing the growing police state. Here is an article out today from Mother Jones.

"How Every Part of American Life Became a Police Matter

From the workplace to our private lives, American society is starting to resemble a police state."


http://www.motherjones.com/politics/201 ... tarization
"Even the left is now noticing...?" I think you've got it backwards. It wasn't the right that was objecting to Chicago police busting heads in 1968, National Guardsmen shooting college kids in 1970, cops beating anti-globalism demonstrators in 1999, and on and on. All that time the right was in its "law and order" phase, one result of which was the draconian federal sentencing guidelines put out during the Reagan era, which unleashed the prosecutorial abuses mentioned by House above.

The civil liberties left attempting to curb the power of the police state through the 4th Amendment and other approaches is a long-standing tradition in American politics. It's good that a few on the libertarian-right are finally starting to notice the problem.
Who did the "Civil Liberties Left" vote for in the last two elections?
I will wait for the answer after the laughter dies down...


outwest
It's a false dichotomy. They both want to limit our freedoms and rights, just in ways they deem socially acceptable.
What dichotomy? The Bush-Obama administration has worked tirelessly to destroy freedom.
It has been a very effective team.
They are sold to the public as being polar opposites. We recognize they are the same, but the public is stupid and believes they have two different choices, thus they are a false dichotomy.
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Agree strongly with all points made subsequent to my post. The last three presidents -- the three baby-boomer presidents, appropriately enough -- have completely unhinged our politics from any sort of coherent ideological principles and made it all about unabashed power grabs. Obama is the final, most cynical step in enlisting government into the preservation of the status quo and the undermining of civil liberties.

And yet, as House points out, the media play pretend that the two parties stand for something other than power grabs, and that we have a functional politics.
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OutWest wrote:
gsjackson wrote:
MrPeabody wrote:Even the left is now noticing the growing police state. Here is an article out today from Mother Jones.

"How Every Part of American Life Became a Police Matter

From the workplace to our private lives, American society is starting to resemble a police state."


http://www.motherjones.com/politics/201 ... tarization
"Even the left is now noticing...?" I think you've got it backwards. It wasn't the right that was objecting to Chicago police busting heads in 1968, National Guardsmen shooting college kids in 1970, cops beating anti-globalism demonstrators in 1999, and on and on. All that time the right was in its "law and order" phase, one result of which was the draconian federal sentencing guidelines put out during the Reagan era, which unleashed the prosecutorial abuses mentioned by House above.

The civil liberties left attempting to curb the power of the police state through the 4th Amendment and other approaches is a long-standing tradition in American politics. It's good that a few on the libertarian-right are finally starting to notice the problem.
Who did the "Civil Liberties Left" vote for in the last two elections?
I will wait for the answer after the laughter dies down...


outwest
Good point, but in many cases they were fooled, assuming that as a constitutional law professor he would be an ally (having not learned anything about cynicism from our other con law prof, Bill Clinton). Some of them are certainly taking notice now. An example of the breed is James Goodale, attorney for the New York Times in the Pentagon Papers case. He came out with a book earlier in the year that assessed Obama as the most hostile president to freedom of the press in American history, poised to shoot well past Nixon if he prosecutes Julian Assange.

Of course, we're talking about old people here, being dragged off the stage. America's zombie younger population couldn't care less about anything like freedom of the press.
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This just in.

Time To Be Afraid In America
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