Alimony and Child Support are VOLUNTARY payments

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Jester wrote: Among Armenians, like some others in the Caucasus and Middle East I think, we follow a different pattern. We pay a dowry to the wife's father. It seems normal to me.
Dowry is usually defined as the money, goods, or estate that a wife brings to her husband's household at marriage. The assets are usually given by the bride's father. When the groom's family pays to the bride's family, that's usually defined as a "bride price".

My parents flew from TW to US last month to conclude their "round 2" negotiations with my GF's parents. ;p To sum it up, the dowry will be real estate, and the bride price will be Taiwanese style "double happiness" cakes, gifts of jewelry, and whole roasted suckling pig... oink oink.
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PeterAndrewNolan wrote:Contrarian Expatriate, this is simply NOT TRUE and I have PROVEN it is NOT TRUE. Alas, men do not allow a little thing like IRREFUTABLE PROOF change their FALSE OPINIONS.

Judge Griffin issued a court order for EUR6.000 per month interim support in December 2007. The ENTIRE family income. This is a standard tactic in Ireland. By issuing such an order the conflict is generated to get it LOWERED.
You have not PROVEN a doggone thing! Further, most men here are not from Ireland. You try that nonsense here in the US, the crime of Contempt of Court would be smacked accross your face so quickly that you would wake up in a jail cell. My proof of that is the statistic of thousands of men who have been arrested and convicted for contempt of court."

Further, the legions of men who are barred from obtaining US passports due to Child Support arrearage can attest to the impact as well.

Cut the crap now. Just because something should be voluntary does not make it so!
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Contrarian Expatriate wrote:
PeterAndrewNolan wrote:Contrarian Expatriate, this is simply NOT TRUE and I have PROVEN it is NOT TRUE. Alas, men do not allow a little thing like IRREFUTABLE PROOF change their FALSE OPINIONS.

Judge Griffin issued a court order for EUR6.000 per month interim support in December 2007. The ENTIRE family income. This is a standard tactic in Ireland. By issuing such an order the conflict is generated to get it LOWERED. quote]
You have not PROVEN a doggone thing! Further, most men here are not from Ireland. You try that nonsense here in the US, the crime of Contempt of Court would be smacked accross your face so quickly that you would wake up in a jail cell. My proof of that is the statistic of thousands of men who have been arrested and convicted for contempt of court."

Further, the legions of men who are barred from obtaining US passports due to Child Support arrearage can attest to the impact as well.

Cut the crap now. Just because something should be voluntary does not make it so!
Conrtrarian,
I provided IRREFUTABLE PROOF and men will not listen.

NOT MY PROBLEM to make men listen to IRREFUTABLE PROOF.

Men in the US do not have to pay child support or alimony. Indeed men in ANY english speaking country do not have to pay these two things.

To sit at your computer and deny irrefutable proof that includes the court order and the bill sent for the order is to just be in denial. And you and all those other men are welcome to be in denial and welcome to dis-believe IRREFUTABLE PROOF.

And when I tell men they are ignorant they get "upset"! LOL!!!

Modern western men are a joke. You know your politicians are liars but you believe what they say. If that is not the very definition of stupidity I do not know what is.

So go ahead and repeat the lies of your guvment telling men that alimony and child support is mandatory. Feel free to help oppress your fellow men rather then help them to freedom like I am doing.

Alimony and child support are the 2nd and 3rd biggest complaints of men in divorce. Yet when given the remedy FOR FREE they will not use it. Pretty amazing eh?
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Hi Winston,
the early part of this video shows exactly what is happening on the matter of alimony and child support so it is worth also putting the link here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvNabovR ... r_embedded

@Gents,
think about it this way. I spent more than 3,500 hours over 4 years at a personal cost of USD500,000 to re-introduce the rule of law into Australia and Ireland. I am nearly done now. We will achieve this very soon.

Along the way very, very few men helped me while THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of men asked for my help.

The three biggest "complaints" for men in divorce are
1. Child custody.
2. Alimony.
3. Child support.

by that I mean Alimony including the asset stripping that goes on of men.

So I thought it would be good to give men a very simple method, one that ANY man can understand and use, to retrieve his children from the wife and stop paying alimony and child support.

I know a man in the US who retrieved his child in under 8 weeks using the exact same techniques I am talking about. I have been offering to retrieve a child from an ex in Australia for nearly two years now to test that process in Australia. No man is willing to do it.

I gave men a simple six page document to lawfully not pay a court order. Simply send a bill for the order and agree to deliver on the order when the bill is paid. Every man in the western world is familiar with the process of order, bill, payment, delivery. It happens for EVERY amazon transaction although the BILL is a virtual bill and is often called an "invoice". Has anyone else noticed that 30 years ago you used to get BILLS and now you get INVOICES?

There is a reason for that. If they kept using the term BILL in common usage then people might wake up to what the guvments are doing when they introduce BILLS into parliaments. The BILL they introduce into parliament is exactly that. A BILL that is being imposed on the people by the parliament that needs to be paid to make sure the people are kept down.

So...given I have addressed the three biggest "complaints" of men in divorce at a personal cost of USD500,000 and ALMOST NO MAN USES THEM.....why would I try to further help men for free?

It is clear men WANT TO BE SLAVES. They just want to complain about being slaves rather than actually free themselves. I was surprised by that at first. I addressed this in the first book in a comment "what about the zombies". I advise leaving them alone. 99.7%+ of men in the MRA-MRM movement are zombies. They busily run around telling EVERYONE ELSE how "enlightened" they are about "feminism" while refusing to even learn what a right is and where it comes from. They are ignorant as hell while claiming to be trying to "wake up" or "help" their fellow men. talk about the blind leading the blind! MRAs are doing FAR more harm than good nowadays as it is they themselves who are propagating the BIG LIE that legislation is law.

And another question men might like to ask is this.

ALL the "leading MRAs" have had this PROOF in front of them for nearly 2 years now. Yet there is not ONE article written by ANY OF THEM about my case. Why?

Surely when a man comes along with PROOF he has not paid a court order that would be of interest to discuss wouldn't it?

The answer us not simply denial. The answer is clearly that ALL leading MRAs have an agenda that is NOT to solve the issues of men. They have a different agenda. I had the agenda of solving the issues of men so they would stop killing themselves and leaving their kids fatherless as well as the issue of stopping the 95% cull planned.

MRAs and MRMs do NOT have that as their agenda items. And this is PROVEN. They will use the excuse "but the legislation applies to us". So I asked them to present PROOF of that. No MRA has ever been able to provide PROOF that legislation applies to men mandatorily. And THAT is not discussed either in the MRA-MRM area.

One reason I have put the MBA onto a commercial footing is that no matter HOW MUCH HELP you give to men FOR FREE they WILL NOT USE IT. So they might as well PAY for it.

Men can have all the freedom they are willing to PAY FOR. Freedom is not FREE. It must be PAID for. If not with money then with blood, sweat and tears.

And my assessment is that 99.9% of men, if not MORE, do not wish to live in freedom.....they just wish to live in a kind of comfortable slavery. And that is NOT MY PROBLEM ANY MORE. Men refused my assistance for FREE. So my assistance is commercialised....just like a plumber or an electrician commercialises HIS assistance.

One thing I also find amazing is how much I am abused for commercialising my assistance and asking to be paid for my time. No man goes to the sandwich shop expecting to get his sandwich for free. But THOUSANDS of men expect my time for free and then 99.9% of them reject what I tell them. If that is not ignorance and stupidity I do not know what is.

And please note. I have commercialised my time after putting USD500,000 on the table to HELP MEN who refuse that help but whine about me wanting to be paid in the future! LOL!!

I put a paypal address into my latest book...not with the intention of being paid, but with the intention of NOT BEING PAID so that I could point out that even though that book is worth TENS OF THOUSANDS if not more than a HUNDRED THOUSAND dollars-euros to any young man who uses it he WILL NOT PAY ONE DOLLAR FOR IT.

Like I said. Men can have all the freedom they are willing to pay for. If they are not willing to pay ONE DOLLAR-EURO for the two books I have released and all the material referenced then they deserve exactly the amount of freedom they have PAID FOR. None.
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Peter,

What I would like to know is how you managed to threaten a judge with death and not get arrested for it. In Canada at least, uttering death threats is a serious offence and will get you thrown into the clink, just as it will in the UK and many other countries that have (or had, like Ireland did at one time) British-style legal systems.
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ExpeditionSailor wrote:Peter,

What I would like to know is how you managed to threaten a judge with death and not get arrested for it. In Canada at least, uttering death threats is a serious offence and will get you thrown into the clink, just as it will in the UK and many other countries that have (or had, like Ireland did at one time) British-style legal systems.
ExpeditionSailor,
I absolutely deny that I ever threatened a judge with death. That is a very poor mis-representation of what took place.

What happened was the judge committed the crime of extortion. He issued an order for EUR6,000 per month which was the TOTAL family income at the time. This was an obvious ploy to "negotiate the amount down" and I recognised it for what it was immediately. He also threatened to JAIL ME if I did not pay it. He also issued orders to freeze my personal and company bank accounts and the banks complied. So he was CLEARLY COMMITTING CRIMES. Since he was committing crimes he was NOT A JUDGE. He was a criminal PRETENDING TO BE A JUDGE. BIG DIFFERENCE.

So I told my lawyer to tell him exactly these words "If he unlawfully incarcerates me then he had better lock me up longer than mandella because when I am released I WILL KILL HIM."

The lawyer was all upset about that and claimed I was threatening the judge. I told him no. I am not threatening him. I am GUARANTEEING HIM I WILL KILL HIM if he UNLAWFULLY incarcerates me. I told him to tell the judge I take my freedom VERY seriously and will NOT TOLERATE unlawful incarceration. He was WELL WARNED.

In Germany for my court appearance there I sent the judge a Lawful Notice to tell him I has said that to an Irish Judge and I MEANT IT. I also noticed the judge that I claim the right to carry any weapons I choose and will use them in self defend in any way I see fit. He read the notice because he asked me why I said that. I told him that I take my freedom seriously and I will not tolerate UNLAWFUL INCARCERATION. He had FIVE armed police in the court room so I gather that was an overwhelming show of force.

Canada has the SAME LAWS as Ireland and Germany....The laws of nature, the laws of the creator.... the most fundamental one being "do unto others as you would have them do unto you". So if someone UNLAWFULLY INCARCERATES ME he will pay 500 ounces of gold for each hour or part thereof or he will wake up dead before his time.

I do NOT delegate my self defence to the guvment. The guvmetns are full of criminals right now.

I am creating courts and juries in Ireland and Australia to create a community supported path to justice...but I have AT NO TIME waived my right as a sovereign to dispense justice any way I see fit. That is part of what being a sovereign is about. Kings dispense justice. Some even do it wisely.

Being a sovereign carries with it the responsibility of always acting in a way that honours He who created us. Call him "the creator" or "God" or the easter bunny...but something created us and I take the position that everything I do must honour Him and His creation....me.

It is amazing to me that I have been at this FOUR YEARS and people STILL question my integrity and STILL question the truth of what I say.

I mean to say. I captured the VIDEO of a man committing the crime of impersonating an Australian Federal Court Magistrate and people STILL deny that the judiciary are criminals.

EVER WHEN SHOWN VIDEO EVIDENCE!!!

As kirkegard I think it was said "There are two ways to be fooled. To believe what is not true. And to disbelieve what is true."

MRAs are fooled on BOTH levels.

They believe legislation is law which is false....and they do not believe they can rescind their consent to be governed..which is true.
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