Do politicians know that the 2 party system is a sham?

Post by **Winston** » November 7th, 2011, 6:58 am

I'm wondering about something.

Many conspiracy researchers say that the 2 party political system in most countries is a sham and illusion of democracy created by the elite, and that in reality, both parties represent the same elite corporate interests, which is why no matter what party is in power, government policy stays the same. The differences between them are all a public show, using social wedge issues to project an illusion of a genuine debate between them.

This is how the Democrats and Republicans work, they say.

Now, if that's true, then are all the politicians in the Senate, Congress, and everyone in public office in on this conspiracy? I mean, do they all know that the 2 party system is a sham and illusion? Or do they genuinely believe that a free open debate and true democracy is going on between both parties? How can that many people, such as everyone in the House of Representatives, be in on it?

How does it work? Are all politicians in on it? Or are they victims of the sham too?

Ghost · Post by **Ghost** » November 19th, 2011, 12:39 am

Camp38 · Post by **Camp38** » November 20th, 2011, 7:50 pm

Alex Jones gave a reasonable and believable explanation for the seemingly blatant ignorance surrounding government corruption among elected officials. He applied the same reasoning and explanation in regards to corporations. People in such hierarchal organizations are compartmentalized. As a result, one person understands only his/her small role in the overall scheme. This is why you can actually have good, moral and constitutional abiding elected officials who are completely oblivious to the larger picture or agenda. Although this would be difficult to discern against the hordes of political and corporate cronies & hacks. Still the theory has merit.

A good read and lecture on this is by Noam Chomsky...check out his Propaganda & Control of the Public Mind:

HAGAR · Post by **HAGAR** » January 2nd, 2012, 6:38 am

Damn Winston. For someone your age, you sure are naive. Instead of trying to debunk UFOs, maybe you need to read more on politics. Democracy itself is a scam. Why do you think America pushes for democracy so hard on countries, often with the use of bombs and missiles. Once a country becomes a democracy, it becomes easy for the USA to control. If you control the media, then you pretty much control the election results. A few examples include south Korea, Japan, Taiwan(not a country), Hong Kong. All of these countries/provinces are democracies, but they are also pupet regimes of the USA. If the media backs 0bama, then he'll win no matter what. If they don't back him, then they can frame him for a sex charge, and talk about it non stop in the media. This method was used against Dominique Strauss Khan, who was about to run for French president. The political scam is not a conspiracy. It's reality. The real conspiracy is that democracy represents the majority somehow. It does not matter if there's 2 political parties, or 20, as long as those parties all represent similar interests, then it's basically a dictatorship. Take a look at Ireland. They got a bunch of political parties, but at the end of the day, they all represent casino capitalism interests. That is why their economy is screwed, and now they are under the control of the IMF, and world bank. This was no accident or coincidence, and was planned years in advance. The same goes for Greece, even before they joined the European Union, and the banksters cooked by books to get them into the EU. If you take a look at 0bama, and Bush, what really is the difference between the two of them? They both represent capitalism, multinational corporations, torture, surveillance, war, imperialism, the rich, terorism, and prison industrial complex. The entire system in most "democracies" are illegitimate, and do not allow any free or open debate. All of the debate is controlled in these so called democracies. Every single person in the house of representatives is corrupt, otherwise, they would have never obtained their position. In order to run for office, you need money. Where does that money come from? They would need the support of multinational corporations, meaning they have to be corrupt, and represent the interests of multinational corporations, rather than the working class majority, which is the exact opposite of what a real democracy stands for. In a real democracy, as soon as the politician stops representing the majority, then he is pulled down. As far as I can see, this has never happened to politicians in the fake democratic world. In fact, you can argue that the exact opposite happens. Eliot Spitzer was overthrown because he threatened to prosecute Wall Street for causing the financial crisis. Since Wall Street essentially runs America, it was Eliot Spitzer who was punished, and not Wall Street. All politicians are not in on it, however, most Canadian, Australian, European, NZ, American, HK, SK, Japan, Taiwan, Singapore politicians are in on it. If they're not in on it, then you can count on them being assasinated, or overthrown soon. One example of someone who didn't play ball was John F. Kennedy. As you can see, he paid the price for it. His crime was that he was going take down the CIA. Here's who's not "in on it"- Iran, Venezuela, Zimbabwe, North Korea. Libya was also not "in on it". Libya had the highest standard of living in all of Africa and refused to allow western countries to rob his country. Notice how all these countries are on the hit list of America, because they're the ones who are actually not corrupt. In this world that you live in, good is bad, and bad is good. If you want to get a better idea of how politics works, you should read from globalresearch.ca

Post by **Winston** » January 2nd, 2012, 6:58 am

Welcome Hagar. Boy that's very disturbing. You should separate your post into paragraphs though. Of course there's no democracy, since there is no country in which the common people rule. But even if there were, a true democracy is not necessarily a good thing. What if 51 percent of the people voted to take away the rights of the other 49 percent? How is that just?

I think the Libertarian philosophy is the most sensible. But of course, they never get any media coverage.

Who are you and how did you find this forum?

Btw, I don't debunk UFO's. You must have me mixed up with someone else.

Who is running all this by the way? Are Secret Societies behind all this? Aliens? Or just greedy men behind closed doors?

What about China? Is it under the control of Western powers?

onezero4u · Post by **onezero4u** » January 2nd, 2012, 7:28 am

dam Hagar thats a pretty loaded first post!! welcome

btw: most of what you said made sense & i also believe democracy is a sham....why should 51% of a mob decide what 49% have to do?

i want to be left the f**k alone....i think a constitutional republic would offer the best chance for that but they are short livied unfortunately.

the older i get, the more anarchy appeals to me being that govt is the source of nearly all my troubles not the solution.

Post by **Winston** » January 2nd, 2012, 11:51 am

Btw, if the Founders of America never intended to set up a democracy, and didn't even mention the word in the Declaration of Independence, then where did the myth come from that "America is a democracy"? Who started it and why?

HAGAR · Post by **HAGAR** » January 2nd, 2012, 8:45 pm

Winston wrote:Welcome Hagar. Boy that's very disturbing. You should separate your post into paragraphs though. Of course there's no democracy, since there is no country in which the common people rule. But even if there were, a true democracy is not necessarily a good thing. What if 51 percent of the people voted to take away the rights of the other 49 percent? How is that just?

I think the Libertarian philosophy is the most sensible. But of course, they never get any media coverage.

Who are you and how did you find this forum?

Btw, I don't debunk UFO's. You must have me mixed up with someone else.

Who is running all this by the way? Are Secret Societies behind all this? Aliens? Or just greedy men behind closed doors?

What about China? Is it under the control of Western powers?

I found you on Baidu. Why should the 1% dictate to the 99% what to do? That's what happens in most capitalist societies, and most certainly would happen in a Libertarian society. Libertarianism is only sensible because you have money. As soon as you run out of money, then communism starts becoming sensible. Communism gets even less media coverage. As far as libertarianism (U.S. definition), they do actually get a lot of coverage. The tea party, and Ron Paul are both libertarian, and get a great deal of cover. Of course they are also sponsored by the same oligarchs who control the media, ie Koch brothers. The oligarchs love libertarianism because they get to keep all the money they make and give back none of it to the common man. Libertarianism also means complete budget cuts for healthcare, welfare, education, etc, meaning that the majority of the people will suffer. Libertarianism is nothing more than an extreme form of capitalism, selfishness, and greed. Under libertarianism, only rich people would be able to get educated. Mainland China is much less corrupt than the USA, Europe, Canada, etc, that is why China has largely maintained their industries, and lifted the people out of poverty. China is partially influenced by the west, but not completely, that's why China takes a lot of heat from the west compared to Japan, who is completely under the control of the west. Who's running the west is a lot of groups. CFR, Trilateral commission, Bildeberg, Wall Street (Goldman Sachs, Bank of America, JP Morgan), IMF, World Bank. That's a start. They're not secret. Most educated people know about them. These are also the same groups who make money off of war by laundering money. They are also tied in with bankers who launder money for drug sales.

odbo · Post by **odbo** » January 3rd, 2012, 1:05 am

Winston wrote:Btw, if the Founders of America never intended to set up a democracy, and didn't even mention the word in the Declaration of Independence, then where did the myth come from that "America is a democracy"? Who started it and why?

The first few minutes of this might explain it.