Is filing taxes with the IRS voluntary?

[Winston]

Check out these speeches by former IRS agents, such as John Turner and Joe Banister, talking about how they used to work for the IRS but quit after they found out that there's no law that says that you have to file an income tax return and the IRS could not show them one either. (I guess the Internal Revenue Code doesn't count as a law?)

In fact, the IRS website even says that filing a tax return is voluntary and the federal courts ruled that if you file one, you are waiving your 5th Amendment rights because you volunteered the info you put in your tax return. WTF?

If this is true, then why does the IRS go after people and put them in jail? I don't get it.

[Moretorque]

The income tax is a control mechanism found in the communist manifesto, the income tax was passed in 1913 to go along with the Federal Reserve Bank. It was never ratified by all the states which has been documented by Bill Nelsons book "The Law That Never Was". It has nothing to do with what is Law and what isn't. It is all about what the elite can get away with in their quest for total world control.

All these taxes are for the bank in order to get their foot in the door and from there to keep ramping them up to drain the lower classes so no one can challenge their rule by possessing property and property rights along with the power that gives the individual.

The bank can just print the money it needs and does, it's all about wealth transfer and wealth control as stated. Law and what is right has nothing to do with it, enforcing their dictates on everybody at gunpoint under the color of what they call law is.

All the taxes are imaginary, the government which is the bank can just create the money it needs out of thin air.

[Cornfed]

Historically there have been no supposed lawful governments in Western countries since at least the 30s. Rather you have a set of private corporations that you can enter into voluntary contracts with. (Of course these contracts are generally fraudulently obtained.) When you do things like apply for an SSN or DL, you are deemed to have voluntarily agreed to abide by certain statutes of the corporate entities that grant those things in exchange for whatever privileges you acquire. It is similar to how a basketball player signing up with the NBA would agree to their policies and therefore be contractually bound to abide by their terms, including pay fines and such. In theory you could opt out of contracts with these corporations and not be bound by their statutes, but in practice they try to make it impossible for you to do so. Doing so anyway is what the freeman movement is all about.

[Rock]

Check out these speeches by former IRS agents, such as John Turner and Joe Banister, talking about how they used to work for the IRS but quit after they found out that there's no law that says that you have to file an income tax return and the IRS could not show them one either. (I guess the Internal Revenue Code doesn't count as a law?)

In fact, the IRS website even says that filing a tax return is voluntary and the federal courts ruled that if you file one, you are waiving your 5th Amendment rights because you volunteered the info you put in your tax return. WTF?

If this is true, then why does the IRS go after people and put them in jail? I don't get it.

Might is right! The IRS is very powerful institution. Law or no law, if you fail to file and pay taxes for multiple years and you have significant taxable income, they usually catch-up with you. When they do, there probably isn't a lawyer in the country who can help you avoid paying whatever back taxes, interest, and penalties IRS accesses. Going to tax court will be useless.

These fools in the USA who make a lot of noise about being legally entitled not to pay taxes and teach this to others usually get burned badly.

Just to put it in perspective, it can be argued that if Edward Snowden is guilty of espionage, so are Bush and Obama. Perhaps such arguments can be solidly backed by relevant laws. But we all know how useless it is to even go there. Might is right!

[Cornfed]

Might is right! The IRS is very powerful institution. Law or no law, if you fail to file and pay taxes for multiple years and you have significant taxable income, they usually catch-up with you. When they do, there probably isn't a lawyer in the country who can help you avoid paying whatever back taxes, interest, and penalties IRS accesses. Going to tax court will be useless.

If you engage one of their lawyers and go to tax court you are effectively agreeing to be a ward of their corporate kangaroo court and accepting their jurisdiction. If you want to take on the lying scum then PAN's strawman recapture strategy is likely to be your best bet.

[Rock]

PAN's strawman recapture strategy is likely to be your best bet.

What is that? Was that in one of those vids posted above? How exactly can someone avoid paying income tax to IRS without risk of asset seizure or jail time?

[Contrarian Expatriate]

Anyone who thinks they can legally fail to file tax returns is fooling himself. Just ask Wesley Snipes who made that claim and then found himself convicted.

Title 26 of the United States Code is the body of federal statutes that legally require the paying of taxes. The states have their own laws that require payment of taxes too.

Anyone who claims otherwise is either lying or just stupid as hell.

You've been warned.

[Rock]

Anyone who thinks they can legally fail to file tax returns is fooling himself. Just ask Wesley Snipes who made that claim and then found himself convicted.

Title 26 of the United States Code is the body of federal statutes that legally require the paying of taxes. The states have their own laws that require payment of taxes too.

Anyone who claims otherwise is either lying or just stupid as hell.

You've been warned.

1. Well, he really acted like an idiot. He had one of those high profile "you're not legally obligated to pay taxes' advisers and was so confident that he basically said f**k you to the IRS and even intentionally sent them a bad check. He spent a lot of money defending himself yet still got slapped with a huge civil and criminal penalties plus jail time. His adviser got a much lengthier sentence.

2. Lying OR stupid as hell? I thin most of these bozos fall into the latter category.