America provides NO OUTLET for sexually starving men

[Yohan]

But at the same time, I blame those frustrated men themselves for not picking up and leaving. They will use every excuse in the world to rationalize staying in the US of Gay even though they hate life there.

Then you'd be offering coaching or information to these men who "make excuses" to stay? You're willing to share with them a methodology and a plan to expatriate and set themselves up elsewhere? If not, you might want to ditch the high horse perspective you have. Of course, you'll ignore this post, as you often do when your logic is called out for the gaping holes within it.

Nowadays there is plenty of information out on the internet, if somebody is seriously interested to learn more about MGTOW or at least to learn about life outside of USA.

The problem is that these brainwashed men - especially in USA - will never listen to other men who said 'good-bye' to Western feminist society.
They will still claim they are living in a paradise, while the rest of the world is nothing but a huge shithole of poverty.
When you ask such men some simple questions, for example do you have a passport, how many languages can you speak, can you find some major countries on a map - they will look at you if you are the man on the moon.... It's hopeless.

[flowerthief00]

There is no paradise anywhere. If there were, everyone would go there and then it would cease being a paradise. It would become overcrowded and expensive, like what happened to Hawaii.

Although the West is in decline, is there anywhere else actually better? I doubt it.

What isn't talked about on HA enough are the things you give up when you go abroad. I don't JUST mean "little" stuff like your home, your job, your friends, your family. How about basic freedoms?

Asia, the popular continent to expat to, is comprised of Communist states, Islamic states, or states simply ruled by the military. These are places where open criticism of the government is not tolerated, where bloggers and journalists routinely get thrown in jail, where Internet freedoms are curbed, religious freedoms are curbed, where minority groups are persecuted by the government itself.

If you want to live in a free country in Asia, there's Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Mongolia to choose from and not much else. The greater bulk of the most vast continent on earth is awash in authoritarianism and corruption.

So maybe you don't value your freedom as much as other things? Okay that's fair. If/when I go abroad to southeast Asia myself it will be to make my money last longer; escape from feminism will be a minor consideration in the big picture, and I'll have no illusion about what I'll be giving up.

[E Irizarry R&B Singer]

The USA is one of the few countries in the whole world where prostitution is illegal. Feminists want to keep it illegal forever.

Prostitution is illegal in MANY countries, even in Philippines and Thailand, partially here in Japan too, but you find 'other ways' to approach and to communicate with women and you need not to be worried to be belittled or facing vulgar and scornful comments from women in case you are rejected.

About feminists and prostitution, the opinion is divided. Infamous well-known feminists, like Solanas and Dworkin were working as prostitutes and some other feminists made statements that prostitution is a choice and is OK as long as it is safe and lucrative. Other feminists are totally against it.

Feminists don't know how to decide for their guideline in this question. Feminists are usually women of low morality and often out of money.

Therefore.....money is money and should be taken away from men...take as much as you can and give as little as possible... and anyway it's always the fault of men and never of women whatever happens....

Nowadays there is plenty of information out on the internet, if somebody is seriously interested to learn more about MGTOW or at least to learn about life outside of USA.

The problem is that these brainwashed men - especially in USA - will never listen to other men who said 'good-bye' to Western feminist society.
They will still claim they are living in a paradise, while the rest of the world is nothing but a huge shithole of poverty.
When you ask such men some simple questions, for example do you have a passport, how many languages can you speak, can you find some major countries on a map - they will look at you if you are the man on the moon.... It's hopeless.

Excellent case and points....

[jamesbond]

This is an important truth.

For thousands of years, societies have always understood that men have strong sexual urges, which if are not satisfied, will result in discontentment, dissatisfaction, anger, rage, restlessness and even violence. That's why prostitution has always been legal or tolerated as "necessary filth". This has always been understood by all societies that are in touch with male needs. All except for one exception: Modern America.

In truth, America provides NO OUTLET for sexually starving men. Men have urges, and sex is one of them. But not all men have lovers to satisfy their sexual urges. A normal man cannot just point to any pretty woman he fancies and ask her to have sex with him.

Therefore, some amount of prostitution is necessary in society. Otherwise, sexless men will become frustrated, angry, dissatisfied and invalidated. As a result, they will start doing stupid things such as developing unhealthy addictions (drugs, alcohol, food, video games, etc.). Or they may lose it and going on mass shooting sprees (e.g. as Elliott Rodgers and George Soudini did).

In other countries, societies understand this. That's why in nearly all countries except for America, prostitution is either legal or tolerated. That's because other countries are saner and wiser and understand that prostitution is a "necessary evil". Even Canada and England have legalized prostitution. Canadian cities, for example, have legal brothels (aka "massage parlors") where men can choose from a lineup of girls to have sex with.

Excellent points, Winston. The United States is the only industrialized country in the world that has not legalized prostitution. It's ridiculous that a modern country like the US refuses to legalize the oldest profession in the world. The government could tax prostitutes and get additional tax revenue.

In America, it's considered a crime if a man has sexual desires. WTF?

[MrMan]

Marriage is a legal sexual outlet in the US. It works for me. But I did meet my wife overseas.

[Yohan]

The United States is the only industrialized country in the world that has not legalized prostitution. It's ridiculous that a modern country like the US refuses to legalize the oldest profession in the world. The government could tax prostitutes and get additional tax revenue.
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In America, it's considered a crime if a man has sexual desires. WTF?

Not true, in Europe are various countries where prostitution is illegal, often with strange feminist legal context, like prohibition to buy sex, but legal to offer it in Sweden. UK similar. In Norway a citizen can even be prosecuted for paying prostitutes abroad. In Iceland even downloading pornography is illegal.

[WorldTraveler]

There is no paradise anywhere. If there were, everyone would go there and then it would cease being a paradise. It would become overcrowded and expensive, like what happened to Hawaii.

Although the West is in decline, is there anywhere else actually better? I doubt it.

No country has everything. You go to the country that has what your looking for. If you like French food you go to France. If you like Thai women, you go to Thailand. If you like to work, make money and eat hamburgers, go to the USA. So why not spend some time in each of the countries you like. None have it all, so why would you only chose one?

[Yohan]

There is no paradise anywhere. If there were, everyone would go there and then it would cease being a paradise. It would become overcrowded and expensive, like what happened to Hawaii.

Although the West is in decline, is there anywhere else actually better? I doubt it.

This depends really on the individual and the financial situation of that person.
It depends also on the education level and citizenship.

Simply said, if you are rich you can live everywhere...

If you have still to work for a living, better - if your citizenship permits it - choose a place where are still jobs which offer a reasonable salary.

If you have a reasonable secure income, like a state pension and need not to work (but are far away from being rich, your income is just enough for a moderate life-style) you are often better off to move away from your native Western country - you get really more for your money if you are moving to abroad. - cheaper rent, lower pricing for food and medical care, and often not to forget much better weather...

If you cannot do that, I found many Scandinavian people are doing the right 50/50 solution - during cold winter they stay in tropical places, doing nothing for 5 months, and when the weather conditions in Norway etc. are getting better, they move back to their own native country and work there - just any simple work will do - for 7 months (must be more than half a year). This means they keep their social insurance including claim to their future pension allowance up to end of life.

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Believe me one thing, and think about it:

Nothing is worse in your life if you are already happily abroad and running out of money and you find yourself on an airplane moving back from where you come from. It's not a joke to be in such a painful situation.

Thailand, Pattaya is really a famous but sad place for such kind of foreigners... it happens every week...

Foreign man with no money rents a room in the upper floors of a hotel or serviced apartment, a last bottle of whiskey, walking to the balcony and - gone...his remains will be sent to a temple for cremation.

[jamesbond]

Marriage is a legal sexual outlet in the US. It works for me. But I did meet my wife overseas.

Not every man in America is married or has a girlfriend. What are men who are not in a relationship in the US supposed to do if he wants to have sex? Prostitution needs to be legalized in America. It's legal in almost every country in the world, there is no good reason why it should not be legalized in America.

[IraqVet2003]

Marriage is a legal sexual outlet in the US. It works for me. But I did meet my wife overseas.

Not every man in America is married or has a girlfriend. What are men who are not in a relationship in the US supposed to do if he wants to have sex? Prostitution needs to be legalized in America. It's legal in almost every country in the world, there is no good reason why it should not be legalized in America.

Hey Jamesbond, there is only one place in the U.S. where prostitution is legal and it is in the state of Nevada. However, according the state's laws this activity can take place only in licensed brothels such as the "Bunny Ranch".

[jamesbond]

Hey Jamesbond, there is only one place in the U.S. where prostitution is legal and it is in the state of Nevada. However, according the state's laws this activity can take place only in licensed brothels such as the "Bunny Ranch".

Your right, prostitution is legal in a couple of counties in rural parts of Nevada. But from what I have heard, they charge something like one thousand dollars and the women are not very good looking.

[IraqVet2003]

Hey Jamesbond, there is only one place in the U.S. where prostitution is legal and it is in the state of Nevada. However, according the state's laws this activity can take place only in licensed brothels such as the "Bunny Ranch".

Your right, prostitution is legal in a couple of counties in rural parts of Nevada. But from what I have heard, they charge something like one thousand dollars and the women are not very good looking.

I agree with you Jamesbond. It's interesting that we even are discussing this very subject on Valentine's Day!!! I also don't think paying for the services for an ugly or subpar looking woman is worth that much!! Many guys might be better off either saving their money to travel overseas go to hookers in the Netherlands, Germany, Brazil, or wherever it is legal. Or maybe purchasing a sex doll(s).

[Will N. Dowd]

February 14th is also MGTOW day.

[jamesbond]

What's interesting is that, in America, a man's only access to sex is if he has a girlfriend. So, no girlfriend = no sex. A man just can't go to a prostitute and get laid in the US. Also, contrary to popular belief, one night stands are very rare.

From all the guys I have known throughout my life from school, work, friends, family members and acquaintances NONE of them have ever had a one night stand. This includes guys who are really good looking. Also, none of them have ever had a 'f**k buddy.' These things are talked about in movies and TV shows like every guy in America has had a one night stand or a f**k buddy.

Like Winston has said, America truly is a sex prison for men.

[Traveler]

In other countries, societies understand this. That's why in nearly all countries except for America, prostitution is either legal or tolerated. That's because other countries are saner and wiser and understand that prostitution is a "necessary evil". Even Canada and England have legalized prostitution. Canadian cities, for example, have legal brothels (aka "massage parlors") where men can choose from a lineup of girls to have sex with.

New laws have been passed in Canada.
https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/other-autre/c36faq/

According to the Canadian government, a man who buys sex deserves to spend up to five years in prison. Prostitutes, however, are victims and therefore should not be punished for selling sex.