Indian women are loyal to their men but Asian women are not?

[zboy1]

I know this may be a controversial topic, but here goes...

Why are Indian women so loyal to their own race of men, and Asian women are not? Asian women seem to be highly hypergamous in terms of dating 'outside their race,' while Indian women are not, except in places like the U.K.--where it's not unusual to see Indian women dating and marrying White and Black men; also, you will see many porn magazines in the U.K. featuring attractive South Asian females, unlike in the U.S.A., so maybe there is a history there of 'fetishizing' South Asian females similar to how Asian females are viewed by many men in the United States?

The interesting thing is...even in America, there is starting to be an increase in the number of interracial marriages among second and third-generation Indian Americans, not unlike other Asian American groups; but what's different about Indian females in the U.S. (or around the world, for that matter) is that, for the most part (although some Indian females also like to 'diss' their race of men), they don't seem to harbor the kind of 'hatred' and 'dislike' for their own race that Asian women like to display from time-to-time.

Also, Indian women are notoriously difficult to date--if you're not Indian: even sleeping around with Indian girls is not easy, although there is a subset of Indian females into interracial dating and relationships.

You don't see "mail-order" Indian brides or young Indians sleezing themselves off to the nearest foreigner, for sex or money; You don't see Indian women 'whoring' themselves-off, shamefully, like many Asian women do towards foreign men; And you will never see a young Indian women married to an old 60+ man, unlike a lot of Filipino and Thai girls in Asia.

But, lately, I've noticed on some Asian forums that I frequent, that some Indian men are 'complaining' about seeing an increase in interracial dating from Indian females--especially Indian women dating White men and some Black men in increasing numbers. (I hope this will not become a major dilemma, such as the one facing the Asian community in the U.S. and around the world.)

Anyway, can anyone tell me or guess, why Indian women tend to be much more loyal and supportive of their 'men' than Asian women? Is it the shame factor--especially strong in some Indian families--in opposing interracial marriages?; Is the racism factor, a major cause as well?: since Indians can be very racist and xenophobic--even more so than East Asians, in many cases; Or, is it due to religious and cultural factors that come into play?

It would be interesting to hear from some Indian members of HA (or people of Indian descent, like Renata), so I could learn more about the reasons for the strong loyalty factor inherent among many Indian females all over the world...

[Chad N. Froyda]

Keeping in mind that I am not an Asian man so my perspective is from an outside point of view, but I hardly ever see or hear Asian women put down Asian men, except when others press them with questions like "why don't you date Asian men?" or "what's wrong with Asian men?". Similar to Black men when people ask them "why don't you date Black women?" or "what's wrong with Black women? It is similar but not exact because I do see Black men speak ill about BW at times when not provoked. When Asian women respond then it is viewed as bashing when they are merely answering a question that shouldn't have been asked in the first place. If you going to ask the question, shouldn't you be prepared for the answer?

The question should not be asked because Asian women don't owe Asian men a damned thing (same with any race or gender). Get it through your head that nobody has to like you because you were born a certain way.

[nicho12]

Keeping in mind that I am not an Asian man so my perspective is from an outside point of view, but I hardly ever see or hear Asian women put down Asian men, except when others press them with questions like "why don't you date Asian men?" or "what's wrong with Asian men?". Similar to Black men when people ask them "why don't you date Black women?" or "what's wrong with Black women? It is similar but not exact because I do see Black men speak ill about BW at times when not provoked. When Asian women respond then it is viewed as bashing when they are merely answering a question that shouldn't have been asked in the first place. If you going to ask the question, shouldn't you be prepared for the answer?

The question should not be asked because Asian women don't owe Asian men a damned thing (same with any race or gender). Get it through your head that nobody has to like you because you were born a certain way.

This kind of narcissist thinking is what is destroying western civilization, "the notion that no one owes anything to anyone else" or to put it your way "Asian women don't owe Asian men a damn thing". If everyone started thinking like that and by the way which is already happening especially in the west, then society would collapse. Imagine if a civil war broke out today, who would be there to protect Asian women, it would be Asian men. Imagine if Asian men decided to also be complete narcissist like Asian women, then the Asian race would become extinct and all Asian countries would seize to exist and all you Asian women lovers would have no refuge to run to. Most people don't think about these things and that's why almost everyone in the West has become a complete narcissist to the extent that no one cares about what happens to the country anymore.

[polya]

Considering the rampant Indian feminists destroying the Indian family, soon Indian women will go for the good looking bad boys like our women!

[Chad N. Froyda]

This kind of narcissist thinking is what is destroying western civilization, "the notion that no one owes anything to anyone else" or to put it your way "Asian women don't owe Asian men a damn thing". If everyone started thinking like that and by the way which is already happening especially in the west, then society would collapse. Imagine if a civil war broke out today, who would be there to protect Asian women, it would be Asian men. Imagine if Asian men decided to also be complete narcissist like Asian women, then the Asian race would become extinct and all Asian countries would seize to exist and all you Asian women lovers would have no refuge to run to. Most people don't think about these things and that's why almost everyone in the West has become a complete narcissist to the extent that no one cares about what happens to the country anymore.

Here is what I propose to all the "save my people types": why don't these types find a man/woman who is considered undesirable from their respective peoples and procreate and mate with them? Why doesn't zboy1 marry a 350lb Asian gal (Asian? is that one group or many?) or nicho12 hook up with a 375lb women of the same race/culture/civilization group? If your motive is in saving your people then wouldn't any kind of the opposite sex do? A womb is womb and if you are invaded you are going to need soldiers. Don't be narcissistic and selfish now.

[OutWest]

I know this may be a controversial topic, but here goes...

Why are Indian women so loyal to their own race of men, and Asian women are not? Asian women seem to be highly hypergamous in terms of dating 'outside their race,' while Indian women are not, except in places like the U.K.--where it's not unusual to see Indian women dating and marrying White and Black men; also, you will see many p**n magazines in the U.K. featuring attractive South Asian females, unlike in the U.S.A., so maybe there is a history there of 'fetishizing' South Asian females similar to how Asian females are viewed by many men in the United States?

The interesting thing is...even in America, there is starting to be an increase in the number of interracial marriages among second and third-generation Indian Americans, not unlike other Asian American groups; but what's different about Indian females in the U.S. (or around the world, for that matter) is that, for the most part (although some Indian females also like to 'diss' their race of men), they don't seem to harbor the kind of 'hatred' and 'dislike' for their own race that Asian women like to display from time-to-time.

Also, Indian women are notoriously difficult to date--if you're not Indian: even sleeping around with Indian girls is not easy, although there is a subset of Indian females into interracial dating and relationships.

You don't see "mail-order" Indian brides or young Indians sleezing themselves off to the nearest foreigner, for sex or money; You don't see Indian women 'whoring' themselves-off, shamefully, like many Asian women do towards foreign men; And you will never see a young Indian women married to an old 60+ man, unlike a lot of Filipino and Thai girls in Asia.

But, lately, I've noticed on some Asian forums that I frequent, that some Indian men are 'complaining' about seeing an increase in interracial dating from Indian females--especially Indian women dating White men and some Black men in increasing numbers. (I hope this will not become a major dilemma, such as the one facing the Asian community in the U.S. and around the world.)

Anyway, can anyone tell me or guess, why Indian women tend to be much more loyal and supportive of their 'men' than Asian women? Is it the shame factor--especially strong in some Indian families--in opposing interracial marriages?; Is the racism factor, a major cause as well?: since Indians can be very racist and xenophobic--even more so than East Asians, in many cases; Or, is it due to religious and cultural factors that come into play?

It would be interesting to hear from some Indian members of HA (or people of Indian descent, like Renata), so I could learn more about the reasons for the strong loyalty factor inherent among many Indian females all over the world...

Dating? Much of Asia still practices courtship instead of dating, which is a highly Western concept. Some Asian-American men are upset because of all the interracial mating they see in the USA
and take to branding such women whores and such. It sounds like a problem they need to work past. Spend enough time within the masses of Asia and you realize that interracial marriage is
quite rare in terms of percentages. Within the Philippines, a few thousand girls per year marry foreigners, within a country of almost 100 million. It might be that more girls get run over in auto accidents than marry up with foreigners. In other countries, the numbers are even smaller.

World-wide, about 50,000 marriages occur in a year between US and other nationals, and that
includes both sexes. In other words, the percentages are very very small.

The sale of Asian girls to foreigners by Asian men and Mama-sans would seem to be a bigger problem.
What kind of man sells girls from his town to foreign mongers? Can you imagine the uproar if some white dude was caught selling American blond chicks to visiting Japanese tourists?

Marriage and family formation is not some kind of problem. The underlying hopelessness and poverty
drives the sale of girls to visiting foreign mongers is of course the root of the problem. And then of course, there are the foreign men who come, promise marriage, bed the girl, and leave...with her life often shattered.

Better to look at people as individuals- a good man is a good man, whatever race he is.
Americanized Asian women? Who cares...they are all part of the American women poontang cartel.
Go elsewhere and live a happy life.

Outwest

[nicho12]

This kind of narcissist thinking is what is destroying western civilization, "the notion that no one owes anything to anyone else" or to put it your way "Asian women don't owe Asian men a damn thing". If everyone started thinking like that and by the way which is already happening especially in the west, then society would collapse. Imagine if a civil war broke out today, who would be there to protect Asian women, it would be Asian men. Imagine if Asian men decided to also be complete narcissist like Asian women, then the Asian race would become extinct and all Asian countries would seize to exist and all you Asian women lovers would have no refuge to run to. Most people don't think about these things and that's why almost everyone in the West has become a complete narcissist to the extent that no one cares about what happens to the country anymore.

Here is what I propose to all the "save my people types": why don't these types find a man/woman who is considered undesirable from their respective peoples and procreate and mate with them? Why doesn't zboy1 marry a 350lb Asian gal (Asian? is that one group or many?) or nicho12 hook up with a 375lb women of the same race/culture/civilization group? If your motive is in saving your people then wouldn't any kind of the opposite sex do? A womb is womb and if you are invaded you are going to need soldiers. Don't be narcissistic and selfish now.

The time will come when the United States will collapse like the Soviet Union did, it's not too far, the day is approaching and in a country where most of the people have the mentality of "it's every man for him self" not much will be left of that kind of society. Why do you think Jews always stick together like glue, because they understand the power of togetherness and it's the primary reason why they have become enormously wealthy throughout history and although they're tiny minority of people, other races have tried to wipe them out but have failed, the reason being is that they stick together like glue and collaborate with each other around the world

[zboy1]

Considering the rampant Indian feminists destroying the Indian family, soon Indian women will go for the good looking bad boys like our women!

You know...it's so strange; on the one hand, Indian females are very loyal and devoted to their men, no matter what race they are; On the other hand, Indian women are notorious for coming under the influence of feminism. So why the strange dichotomy?

[celery2010]

You're forgetting the caste/religion system in India.

Even in the United States-- Indians are supposed to ideally find someone that is of similar
caste, same religion and i believe also from the same region of the country.

There's no caste culture in East Asia.

Indians are more conformist in this way-- arranged marriages are something close to it is still the norm. It's not in most of E Asia.

[tre]

This kind of narcissist thinking is what is destroying western civilization, "the notion that no one owes anything to anyone else" or to put it your way "Asian women don't owe Asian men a damn thing". If everyone started thinking like that and by the way which is already happening especially in the west, then society would collapse. Imagine if a civil war broke out today, who would be there to protect Asian women, it would be Asian men. Imagine if Asian men decided to also be complete narcissist like Asian women, then the Asian race would become extinct and all Asian countries would seize to exist and all you Asian women lovers would have no refuge to run to. Most people don't think about these things and that's why almost everyone in the West has become a complete narcissist to the extent that no one cares about what happens to the country anymore.

A Civil War would be political more than anything else. Why make the division between races? In a Civil War scenario, I'd join with those on my side politically....regardless of race. I'd band together with those I care for so that we can protect each other. You think a white man wouldn't fight and die for an Asian woman whom he truly loves? Same goes for an Asian man in regard to a woman of a different race whom he loves. Give me a break, it makes no difference if she is white, black, brown, or yellow...you protect who you care for. Yes....I don't owe white women a damn thing in regard to dating and love (I'm white btw). Why do I owe them that...why are they entitled to my affection? Why should I have to be restricted to them when I'm not attracted to them? It's not like I wouldn't protect them in a Civil War scenario because I don't want to date them. I'm talking about dating and love....I don't owe them that. It's called personal preference and white women are NOT my personal preference when it comes to dating. Not sure why this is so hard to understand.

[zboy1]

Okay, guys...let's get back to the subject of the thread!--which is why Indian women are so different in behavior to other Asian women. I think the caste system is probably the BIG reason why, there's such a difference between them and other Asian females.

I think another reason is arraigned marriages, although some East Asian families still employ this kind of tactic as well...just not to the extent of Indian families.

[zboy1]

The big question for me is...why aren't Indian women as open to interracial dating and marriages, compared to other Asian females?

I've always been attracted to Indian women, but they rarely 'date-out' of their race; you compare that to Chinese, Korean or Filipino women...and it's amazingly high in comparison...

I think there was a thread on Roosh about this same subject, but it was drowned-out by racists, braggarts, and PUA-types who ruined the whole thread. I hope that doesn't happen here...

[Mr S]

People will stick to whatever the dominant culture they live in espouses. Thus, in traditional Indian culture they generally do not mix with other nationalities/cultures that would have a possible conflicting influence over family issues. However, if Indians are living in another culture outside of theirs such as in a Western country usually by the 3rd generation and definitely the 4th, the previous cultural influences will not exist for the most part or be of limited influence.

Right now you are just starting to see this clash of cultures playing out in Western Europe with many Pakistani and Indian's trying to force their daughters/sons to marry arranged marriages conducted back in the homelands but some children are starting to rebel. Most of the immigrants right now are either 1st or 2nd generation so it's still difficult to get with these people for relationship purposes but probably 20 years and onward they will be much more fully integrated in Western society and you'll see more interracial marriages.

For example, Sebastian Bach the former lead singer of Skid Row was mainly raised in Ontario Canada area. He was married to a Canadian Woman of Indian decent and she was and is still decent looking. They have three kids together but are divorced. He is of European decent.
I don't know how many generations her family was in Canada but she is at least 2nd generation if not 3rd possibly.

Anyways, here's an interesting video about their marriage when they were together, its in 3 parts.



Here are some recent pictures of his former wife, she obviously has had plastic surgery done, but still looks decent for being 50ish.

http://www.fanpix.net/gallery/maria-bierk-pictures.htm
https://www.facebook.com/mariabierk

You can basically see how she is pretty much just like a typical Western female and only her genetics are still of Indian decent. This is what will happen to most any nationality once so many generations of descendants have been in said Western country no matter how much parents or grandparents protest a female's now Western decadence lifestyle over traditional cultural homeland values.

So in another 20 or so years there will be plenty of bonking Indian women in Western countries if you are lucky to be either a male in that future generation or you are an older virile male who can attract such a female when they start coming down the pipeline in another generation or so.

[kai1275]

The big question for me is...why aren't Indian women as open to interracial dating and marriages, compared to other Asian females?

I've always been attracted to Indian women, but they rarely 'date-out' of their race; you compare that to Chinese, Korean or Filipino women...and it's amazingly high in comparison...

I think there was a thread on Roosh about this same subject, but it was drowned-out by racists, braggarts, and PUA-types who ruined the whole thread. I hope that doesn't happen here...

You have completely overlooked arranged marriages. That is so much more ingrained in their culture more so than all other Asian groups. It really is not that complicated. That is why you see alot less mixing. This has alot less to do with loyalty that you think.

Another thing is that in India, there are so many different languages spoken by different local sub groups that even within Hindus for example, you must stick with your local area for a wife because you may not be able to verbally communicate with another Hindu from a different tribal group.

The last thing you haven't addressed is the legacy of the caste system. Indians are waaay more sensitive about marrying someone at their level or higher than maybe even Chinese. Light skinned, upper middle classed ones, stick with their groups specifically:

So to recap:

1. Religion first
2. Arranged Marriages (sometimes with many options the bride or husband can pick from)
3. Local region/Language (If both speak English this one can be ignored a little)
4. Class level

[Chad N. Froyda]

Okay, guys...let's get back to the subject of the thread!--which is why Indian women are so different in behavior to other Asian women. I think the caste system is probably the BIG reason why, there's such a difference between them and other Asian females.

I think another reason is arraigned marriages, although some East Asian families still employ this kind of tactic as well...just not to the extent of Indian families.

Not prepared for the answer, don't ask the question. But answering it at face value and ignoring the whiny undertone I would say that Indian women in the US are not that prized (possibly the 2nd least prized women next to Black) with few exceptions like the Aishwarya Rai looking ones. Asian women are among the most prized and they use it to their hypergamous advantage. Also the US does not have the colonial/war history with that part of the world the way the the UK does, which is why Indian women are more prevalent/prominent there than in the US.