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Re: Sysadmin Wanted

Post by Cornfed » April 27th, 2017, 7:43 am

MrMan wrote:If you conclude that you are receiving short-term rewards and should be working to expect short-term rewards, that's fine. But that's no excuse for not working for what you are being paid for. If you agree to work as a street sweeper for minimum wage, then do your job and do it well for the money you agreed to. If you don't like it, find another job.
One could also look at it the other way round and say if you are expecting skilled workers to sweat blood with no further commitment of your part then you should pay them more than minimum wage. If you hold out the implied promise of advancement to get workers to work harder and then stiff them, and this situation is tolerated, then of course the workers are going to respond by not wanting to work so hard for shitty rewards. Why should they not? If you are not paying enough for a full time worker to support himself, why should you get the work of a full time worker? That is a parasitical entitlement mentality. If you pay low wages in an economy where workers have no ongoing expectations, you should expect shitty workers, just like you would expect a shitty car, TV or whatever if you paid the lowest possible price.
Typically, employers train workers and promote them because they need trained workers and they need them in the higher positions. They don't do it because they owe it to the workers.
It used to be that government and industry collaborated to see that the system I described above was maintained, and this produced good workers. If there is no incentive for workers to better themselves as they can be cut off at the knees at any time no matter what they do, then no-one should be surprised if the workers aren’t so great.
Suppose you had worked for 20 years, saved up a lot of money, and invested it in a new business, and then you ran that business for 10 years and built it up. Why would you spend money training employees? Would you spend your own hard-earned money to train workers when they could make your business more money, or would you do it just to empower white boys to move up the career ladder?
Fair enough. But why would you then expect your workers to not suck? Someone has to pay to train good workers. Why do you then get to employ them without contributing anything? Why do you get a free ride?




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Re: Sysadmin Wanted

Post by Kradmelder » April 27th, 2017, 7:45 am

Mr man. I see that often. Young people looking for a job but wanting a management post, or demand training, only office work etc. Wtf. If you perform you will move up. It isnt owed to you. Such types, give them a pass.

Regarding training, the best people don't ask for it. It comes natural. They willingly take on tasks beyond them and ask for help when they need it. Worthless ones say i cant do that, or first you must send me on a course, or it isnt my job. Pay me more first.

We have a policy of when you have free time develop someting. I do that and some merhods i developed had big financial spin offs in terms of new methodologies to address problems. It gets you in on every tender. The lazy ones will just use off time drinking coffee and gripe about how people earn more than them. And guess what? No jew is involved in there salary being what it is. Only their lack of skills development and entitlement mindset.

Good people likr an environment where their initiative can thrive. As they grow they are more marketable so you pay more to keep them and because their growing skills command higher rates.

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Re: Sysadmin Wanted

Post by Kradmelder » April 27th, 2017, 8:01 am

What cornfed describes is the classic adverserial approach between industry and unions. Unions say we want more money before we work harder. Industry says be more productive and we will pay you more. It is based on demands go up and money must come down. It has led to the demise of industry in the west and industry heading offshore.

What works better is where all have an interest in generating a profit, if that profit is shared with employees. Things like c
no guaranteed 13th cheque or christmas bonus. There is a share of profits, and a bigger share to those who exceeded targets. Such bonuses can be bigger than a 13th cheque. Those that don't make targets, no annual increase either.

Training courses, conferences etc can also be used as a reward for exceeding targets.

The military also works like that. No guaranteed promotion. Only those that stand out and show leadership get ahead. No unions or demands or confrontation. If you dont perform and get passed over enough they work you out, or give you duties to make you quit.

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Re: Sysadmin Wanted

Post by Cornfed » April 27th, 2017, 8:05 am

Kradmelder wrote:What cornfed describes is the classic adverserial approach between industry and unions. Unions say we want more money before we work harder. Industry says be more productive and we will pay you more. It is based on demands go up and money must come down. It has led to the demise of industry in the west and industry heading offshore.

What works better is where all have an interest in generating a profit, if that profit is shared with employees. Things like c
no guaranteed 13th cheque or christmas bonus. There is a share of profits, and a bigger share to those who exceeded targets. Such bonuses can be bigger than a 13th cheque. Those that don't make targets, no annual increase either.

Training courses, conferences etc can also be used as a reward for exceeding targets.

The military also works like that. No guaranteed promotion. Only those that stand out and show leadership get ahead. No unions or demands or confrontation. If you dont perform and get passed over enough they work you out, or give you duties to make you quit.
It is two ways of expressing the same thing. The trouble now is that the elite is running things as if they are going out of business in five years and screwing everyone for some reason, and then people wonder why workers also aren't so great.

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Re: Sysadmin Wanted

Post by MrMan » April 27th, 2017, 8:35 am

Cornfed wrote:
MrMan wrote:If you conclude that you are receiving short-term rewards and should be working to expect short-term rewards, that's fine. But that's no excuse for not working for what you are being paid for. If you agree to work as a street sweeper for minimum wage, then do your job and do it well for the money you agreed to. If you don't like it, find another job.
One could also look at it the other way round and say if you are expecting skilled workers to sweat blood with no further commitment of your part then you should pay them more than minimum wage. If you hold out the implied promise of advancement to get workers to work harder and then stiff them, and this situation is tolerated, then of course the workers are going to respond by not wanting to work so hard for shitty rewards. Why should they not? If you are not paying enough for a full time worker to support himself, why should you get the work of a full time worker? That is a parasitical entitlement mentality. If you pay low wages in an economy where workers have no ongoing expectations, you should expect shitty workers, just like you would expect a shitty car, TV or whatever if you paid the lowest possible price.
Let's get specific. Which company offers an 'implied promise of advancement"? What materials do they give out that imply a promise of advancement. If you THINK the company should promote you, that doesn't mean the company promised you anything. Companies pay low wages because they can get the skills they need at those wages. If you have a post that a talking monkey with a high school diploma could fill, the wages are going to be low. If you have a special post that requires special skills, you will pay higher wages for that. If you are the owner and you see a hard-working worker with few job skills who is honest, etc., you will likely promote him before you would the worker who doesn't do his best because he thinks the wages are too low.

You are responsible for your own life. You are responsible for developing your own job skills. You can take courses yourself. You can get degrees yourself. If you are a US citizen who hasn't gone certain types of convictions and you haven't defaulted on student loans, you likely could borrow money to get a degree or vocational training. There are opportunities. White men can borrow money, too.
Typically, employers train workers and promote them because they need trained workers and they need them in the higher positions. They don't do it because they owe it to the workers.
It used to be that government and industry collaborated to see that the system I described above was maintained, and this produced good workers.
Isn't that how fascism works?

Way back when, there were a lot of manufacturing jobs in the US. The competition wasn't as stiff because the Asian economies hadn't developed yet, except for Japan, who lost WWII. England and Germany had been bombed. The US had lent money to Europe and they were paying us back which drove the dollar down. We were exporting a lot of goods. Factory jobs were good jobs back then. We live in a different global economic situation.
If there is no incentive for workers to better themselves as they can be cut off at the knees at any time no matter what they do, then no-one should be surprised if the workers aren’t so great.
No one should be surprised if the workers who aren't so great are the first ones to get laid off. You are responsible for your own life. Don't depend on one employer. Save money. Start a business on the side. Just don't complain. And don't expect us all to sympathize with the idea of socialism... but for white boys only.
Suppose you had worked for 20 years, saved up a lot of money, and invested it in a new business, and then you ran that business for 10 years and built it up. Why would you spend money training employees? Would you spend your own hard-earned money to train workers when they could make your business more money, or would you do it just to empower white boys to move up the career ladder?
Fair enough. But why would you then expect your workers to not suck? Someone has to pay to train good workers. Why do you then get to employ them without contributing anything? Why do you get a free ride?
An employer paying market wages isn't getting a free ride. He's employing the workers. He pays their salary. If they need training to make him more money, he can train them. Why else should he pay for their training?

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Re: Sysadmin Wanted

Post by Kradmelder » April 27th, 2017, 9:04 am

Talking monkeys without even a high school diploma get very good wages. Check out BEE. Our highest paid person only has standard 8 education and is not qualified, cant use a computer, and can only talk rubbish. He is the CEO. He doesnt come in to work, does nothing and manages nothing and brings in no work. BEE states that 35% of a company shareholding must be black. That means blacks demand high salaries for doing nothing except selling their skin.

Just about every business has one of these talking monkeys as a figure head. If not the labour court comes after you. So talking monkeys get paid well. If they are black.

Where does their salary come from since they generate nothing? Form what used to be profits to share with workers. As a result end of year profit share evaporates into the paws of parasitic talking monkeys.

Ive had a few run ins with the labour court because the company is all white when you walk in. When they threaten us we just call in our talking monkey to come in in suit and his fancy car.

They dont care about blacks getting skills or earning their keep. All they care about is lining black pockets for doing nothing except living off whitey.

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Post by MrMan » April 27th, 2017, 9:47 am

Kradmelder, I didn't mean 'talking monkey' in a racist sense. I don't know what BEE is.
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Re: Sysadmin Wanted

Post by Kradmelder » April 27th, 2017, 10:04 am

MrMan wrote:Kradmelder, I didn't mean 'talking money' in a racist sense. I don't know what BEE is.
BEE is Black economic empowerment, or legalised theft from whitey. It is an encompassing form of affirmative action to take from whitey and give to darkie. It has a series of laws:


Code 100: Ownership: blacks must own over 30% of businesses, not buying shares or building a company, having it handed over
Code 200: Management & Control: Blacks must be in senior management
Code 300: Employment Equity: Blacks must be given preference in hiring
Code 400: Skills Development: Blacks must be given training
Code 500: Preferential Procurement: If a white and black tender for the same job it must be given to darkie even if he is 20% more expensive
Code 600: Enterprise Development: Assistance to black business
Code 700: Socioeconomic development: levy on companies to hand money over to darkies
Codes 800 – 807: Qualifying Small Enterprises: Whitey need not apply

"black people" is a generic term which means Black Africans, Coloureds and Indians, anyone not white. The Chinese individuals (who were considered under Apartheid as honorary white), have been reclassified as "black" after the Chinese Association of South Africa took the South African government to court and won. However it is still discriminatory against some of these 'blacks' as black gets more points than coloured, who get more than indian, who get more than chinese. White male is zero points.

You get weighted on every job by how blacks control or benefit from:

Element Weighting Compliance Targets
Ownership 20 points 25%+1
Management Control 10 points (40% to 50%)
Employment Equity 15 points (43% to 80%)
Skills Development 15 points 3% of payroll
Preferential Procurement 20 points 70%
Enterprise Development 15 points 3%
Socio- Economic Development 5 points 1%

And as blacks still fail and whitey still gets ahead it gets more severe with ownership now at 35%

That means whitey is often forced to employ people based on skin colour to avoid discrimination by potential clients, who acnt give you work if you are noncompliant

It forces businesses to consider the race of any potential applicant instead of making decisions purely based on qualifications and experience, hence race is often the determining factor in finding employment. To avoid that, whitey must have skills that darkie can't do.

BEE has also caused a brain drain, where the qualified white expertise emigrating to countries where they would not be discriminated against. A more clever darkie like Mangosuthu Buthelezi is a strong critic of BEE and says "the government's reckless implementation of the affirmative action policy is forcing many white people to leave the country in search of work, creating a skills shortage crisis".

Like anything of negroid origin, is is based on theft, taking from others and taking no responsibility yourself for building or generating wealth.

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Post by MrMan » April 27th, 2017, 10:16 am

That's a lot harsher and more discriminatory than any kind of affirmative action I've heard of in the US. It looks like state-enforced discrimination against minorities. It looks like it's designed to drive white people out. If they want to keep the whites around, they should come up with something more symbiotic, or at least if they are going to bleed whites, just do it a little.

The could do it in a less subtle way by just taxing companies and giving out money for education and other benefits.

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Post by Kradmelder » April 27th, 2017, 10:23 am

Speaking of talking monkeys, here is our new Minister of Finance in his natural state

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and dressed up like a talking monkey. he likes expensive nigger style suits and shoes.

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He came into office under a cloud of corruption, making the Rand drop 10% upon his appointment

Do you think he has any financial qualifications? None at all. But he has very black skin and has aided Zuma in widespread thievery and corruption

After they have looted all the government coffers and stolen everything built up by Apartheid, he is now in america with the begging bowl visiting the Wold Bank and IMF talking about White Monopoly Capital and Radical Economic Transformation (it means take from whitey). :lol: How do you think those jew bankers will react, since 'white' monopoly capital is largely jewish, i doubt the jews will hand it over, nor support radical transformation to seize 'white' assets since jews profit from it. Jews don't want assets run by blacks.

They might offer him a loan at usurous jew rates, only with SA state assets as collateral. That is if the jews want anything run by blacks. The only thing jews want are companies run by whites that generate profits. Only whitey isn't about to offer them up just to hand over money to darkies and jews, no matter how much holocaust and apartheid guilt they throw up.


Only some of the corruption scandals plaguing this darkie. He still has a long way to go to catch Zuma's 800 corruption charges

https://mg.co.za/article/2014-06-12-the ... nk-account
http://www.lhr.org.za/news/2016/gigaba- ... -saysorry4
http://www.capetalk.co.za/articles/2526 ... -economist
http://www.dailysun.co.za/Speakup/Lette ... e-20170403
http://www.biznews.com/sa-investing/201 ... -minister/


So who says talking monkeys can't do very well for themselves with some well placed corruption and nepotism?

Even international kikery is not happy with this level of darkie theivery
In court papers this year, the Oppenheimers accused Gigaba of being influenced by the Guptas over their luxury international airport terminal in Johannesburg, It’s an allegation Gigaba denied in court.

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Re: Sysadmin Wanted

Post by Cornfed » April 27th, 2017, 11:35 am

The whole SA thing would be hilarious if it weren't so sick. Hopefully the theory of reincarnation is correct so that we may one day laugh about this stuff.

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Post by Kradmelder » April 27th, 2017, 12:19 pm

MrMan wrote:That's a lot harsher and more discriminatory than any kind of affirmative action I've heard of in the US. It looks like state-enforced discrimination against minorities. It looks like it's designed to drive white people out. If they want to keep the whites around, they should come up with something more symbiotic, or at least if they are going to bleed whites, just do it a little.

The could do it in a less subtle way by just taxing companies and giving out money for education and other benefits.
They do tax whitey as well and give out money. In a nation of 53 million, 17 million receive social grants. And these have dependents. 75% of the nation lives on handouts. Care to guess their race?

3.3 million people pay 99% of all tax. Just over 5% of the nation carries the rest. Care to guess the race of the tax payers?

http://www.news24.com/mynews24/33-milli ... x-20131120

So the truth is it is not white oppression. It is whitey carrying the monkey on his back and whitey who should complain about oppression. Darkie gets a free lunch and complains the lunch handout is not big enough so let me steal what whitey is growing and cooking.

Africa is a long history of trying to drive out whitey, then they starve and everything falls apart due to darkies in charge, then they beg whitey to come back. It is not so much wanting to drive out whitey as wanting to take everything whitey has built because they cannot do it for themselves. Monkey see monkey do does not apply as they cant do.

You may not have to wait long. When whites are a minority in the USA they will make such laws there. They want what whitey built without working for it. Your being part indian will mean nothing and you will be 'white' when it comes to discrimination. The vast majority of darkies cant survive against whitey in an equal setting. They need to make laws to give them an edge and keep whitey down. So welcome to the white race and hopefully you realise where your future lies. It is in your interest that white racialism prevails. The opposite, if liberals get their way, will be discrimination against you. Whitey will never be toppled unless other whites do it. Nothing has ever been won by darkie, unless whites themselves pulled the plug on other whites in naive shortsightedness. I can only think of Haiti where blacks defeated whites. And look how that turned out. In SA, In europe, in america, it is whites who are the demise of whites by handing it over.

You seem to be in the liberal camp, willing to hand it over to non-whites,not associating with being white, happy that you don't employ whites or breed white. That is your choice if it makes you happy. Just keep in mind what will happen to you if non-whites who dont share such liberal sentiments take over. They will not give a damn about your liberal views. You will just be a white bastard that must be shoved aside or killed. If they can. Things like people-group nonsense wont matter then, Because all whites will band together when they are a minority. People group thinking just makes you a minority faster. In history it is common for whites to band together against a common racial threat. Who defeated the mongols and turks invading europe? No people group. It was a host of whites of different nations united in a common cause.

There is a race war against you now, but you refuse to acknowledge it. They are swarming over your borders, raping white women, killing whites, taking over local governments.How many non-white mayors do you have, all ensuring handouts for their people at whitey's expense? Soon they will have the numbers to vote you out as well. Obongo, the muslim Kenyan goat herd, was only the first blow.The black and brown hordes are coming for your heritage. They will not care if you tell them white is not my people group, I dont affiliate with it. You will be seen as white and will be put to the sword nevertheless, unless you are not a soft target.

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Post by Eric » April 27th, 2017, 2:56 pm

It is clear to see the Judaizing way of ethics and doing things has poured itself in and...corrupted entire countries ways of doing things.If you want a stable country you need hard workers. If you want hard workers you need solid, good morals and ethics.
The other problem is that there are tons of whites - especially younger whites who are young and impressionable or who are just starting out, seeing all this corruption and lack of value around them in the world; why work when everyone else is not, why bust my ass and be honest when the whole country is falling apart.

That is a valid sentiment. And unfortunately, it's realistic. I don't blame Cornfed for that problem, I've faced it too. The truth is...............it's not going to work. You have to continue to keep supporting and maintain a backbone and producing. You can't give up, even if parasitism exists - because that's the only option. What else are you going to do?
Just give up, and accept handouts? ........like everyone else, and contribute to a blustering miserable state of affairs we see today.


See, this is what the Judenfolk don't understand, or seem to understand, when you stop the engine that is the main workforce of a nation and it's economy and it's morals...then who's going to produce? Won't the nation stand at a halt. Then what, authoritarian dictatorship? Like, we've tried that with the Soviet era. Life expectancy is down....morale was awful. People were just drones and mindless slaves, that's not how human nature works. People are incentivized by hard work and individual purpose. Capitalism works the best in a good and FREE economy.
The Soviet era crumbled....just as everything else will because it can't support it's bolstering weight. Then what, the parasites move onto the next nation. What about, if there's nowhere left to go? The whole world's demoralized, which is where we're at now. The Judaist game is up, the board has been played. Then what?


Nothing, you have a mad max scenario.... where things utterly deteriorate from there. Obama almost nearly destroyed my Nation. Almost, nearly. Now, they say Trump wants to build it back up - but has he? Have I seen anything, other than aggressive warhawk strategies in the mid east and NK and for Russia? No, he doesn't give a damn about the country. He's a demagogue and I pointed it out and knew it from the start.
God help this nation and the world. These assholes don't make sense, they attack and target and demonize whites, traditionals...who are the hardest working, most good folks there are. That's like shooting the host with a mortal salvo of ammunition so that he doesn't get up. Why would you do that? Is that rational or sane. No, unless you have a plan up your sleeve - like what are they going to do, create robots? A robot army of workers. Ok...these people aren't geniuses, and they aren't rational. They're just extremely evil, they are willing to try and go to any depth or stoop to any means and that's why they have "success". But the success is not even real success. Corruption..? Fake money schemes? evil, murder, exploitation.




The real reason things have slowed to a halt is not the lack of jobs, opportunities or whatnot, etc. I can't believe that people haven't recognized that - what's right in front of them...it's morale. It's the culture of laziness, non-hard work, valueless-ness and blame we've created. It sits people on their asses and makes them victims. It sits in them a paralysis toxin.
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Post by Cornfed » April 27th, 2017, 6:50 pm

MrMan wrote:Companies pay low wages because they can get the skills they need at those wages.
If companies pay low wages then over time they are going to get low quality workers, just like if consumers refused to pay more than $5k for a new car they are going to get low quality cars. It is silly to blame the workers or car manufacturers for this.
You are responsible for your own life. You are responsible for developing your own job skills. You can take courses yourself. You can get degrees yourself.
If you have this outlook your society will not produce quality workers. If everyone in Tiger Woods’ life from his father onwards maintained that if he wanted to play golf it was up to him to train himself, as would have been their right, it would be idiotic to expect him to become the best golfer in the world like he did. It is only by encouraging them to provide a conveyer belt to train him like they did that you produce excellence.
Isn't that how fascism works?
Yes, fascism/National Socialism is what works and to the extent they were copied in the West (and they were extensively copied between about 1945-1975) is where the West succeeded.
No one should be surprised if the workers who aren't so great are the first ones to get laid off.
Often it is the best workers who are the first to get laid off as they are employed solely for being good workers (as opposed to being AA hires, corporate whores or whatever) so the moment a machine or third world coolie can do their job for a few cents cheaper they are cut loose. This makes sense in the short term but in the long term disincentivizes people from bothering to be good workers. This is where the government used to step in and solve the problem. Since this no longer happens, workers are going to increasingly suck. It is simple cause and effect.
An employer paying market wages isn't getting a free ride.
Often he is. The workers are being paid welfare. Their kids are getting free schooling etc. Someone else is paying their share of the cost of infrastructure etc. If this were not the case the employers’ business model wouldn’t work. The employers are effectively on the dole.

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Post by fschmidt » May 19th, 2017, 7:15 am

I'll give an update on this story. I got 3 serious candidates. I got an American and an Iraqi immigrant to Canada from the reddit ad. And I got a Mennonite from advertising on a Mennonite forum. The Mennonite asked me about the morality of my businesses and I was honest with him and he turned down the job. The American scheduled a Skype interview and failed to show up and then said that he forgot and wanted another interview. Of course I didn't respond to the irresponsible idiot. The Iraqi was the best but he said he couldn't leave his job but he could handle my requirements anyway. I hired him and it looks like he can't really handle both jobs. So in case this fails, as I expect it to, I am looking again. But I learned a key lesson from my last search which is that Westerners are just worthless scum, absolutely unemployable degenerate morons. So now I am making connections in China so that I can hire Chinese.

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