Anatol wrote:publicduende wrote:Anatol wrote:Hello,
I totally disagree. We'll have to agree to disagree.
It depends on what side of history you are on, for one reason or another. This is like the endless (and rather scholarly) debate within the Christian/Catholic community, whether true Christianity is closer to the teachings of the Bible (same root as traditional Islam) or that of the Gospel.
From your posts, I had the impression that you are somewhat advocating traditional Islam to grow stronger and act as a counterbalance against the social degeneration promoted by the "godless" market economy of the Anglo powers that be. That is a very good point. Yet, a moderate and progressive Islam that puts God, morals and individual dignity and freedoms in a healthy balance, would suffice. Nobody would benefits from being ruled by fringe fundamentalists who will lock women in their bedrooms to restore patriarchal domination at all costs.
Hello,
NO FEMINISM means no women's education, no women's jobs, no women's sports. That is what an anti-feminist is. Anyone advocating for anything else is a feminist. It's so simple. If the Western nations or China or India or Russia or anyone else stands for any of these three, it/they is/are the enemy. Which means, 90% of the world is the enemy of anti-feminist men. TRUE Islam {(no women's education, they are only home-schooled about the Koran about how to be the perfect wives. No women's jobs are allowed. No women's sports are allowed)} is the only bastion against the evil 90% of the world now.
LOL as suspected. No religious extremism has ever been a remedy or panacea for social decay. You would be simply replace one form of dogma with another. Moderate Islam was an amazing creative force in the Mediterranean precisely because it was moderate and progressive, open to cultural and commercial exchange. Only with Suleyman III, well into its fading period, the empire started to rely more and more on piracy to assert their sea domination, and that prompted the other naval powers of the time (mainly Venice and partly the Vatican State) to confront them militarily and reduce them to a shadow of their former self.
One needn't be a "feminist" to state that women have equal dignity to develop themselves culturally and professionally as they see fit. It needn't be too extreme. Perhaps things in America are f***ed up right now, but not so long ago you would still find plenty of college educated women who had a genuine desire, let alone the ability, to juggle their family life with a decent profession and a social life.
I see where you're coming from. Just saying, going full Taliban is far worse than the current state of things. If anything, one of the tenets of the HA movement is that several foreign countries still have women who have this healthy balance of traditional upbringing, which is conducive to them being good wives and mothers, with some degree of intellectual and cultural independence and ambition which leads them to embrace a profession.
Hell, I married one such woman, she is Colombian and I didn't even have to go to Colombia to meet her. Today she cooked a gorgeous spinach and ricotta pie (Italian recipe learned from my mum) and cleaned the house. We had sex and now she's resting a bit reading a bit about fashion, her hobby. And tomorrow she'll be back to her full time job as a project manager, where she is respected and make very respectable money.
It needn't be either Sodom or Kabul. A middle ground is possible. One just has to be motivated enough to know what they want from life, and take some steps to find their match.
Stay where you are, on top of your ivory tower, and just give us a buzz when you're feeling too lonely and want to come down into reality.