Prediction on George Zimmerman verdict

[BigJmack]

This is really a terrible cause for people to support. Trayvon Martin was 17 but he was no "child", dude was around 6 feet tall and already an experienced street brawler who had been suspended from school 3 times before for violence. He was just an aggressive young man who start swinging on the wrong person. Zimmerman is a dumb shit wannabe cop but both of them are idiots who collided that day.

ROTFL You're seriously equating Trayvon with GZ? Get real.

Trayvon was a VIOLENT THUG, who was suspended for possession of stolen jewelry and a screwdriver in his backpack. Yeah, that's right: Trayvon was a lowlife. He skipped school, scrawled graffiti, and was a pothead. He had pot in his bloodstream when he died.

OTOH GZ worked for an insurance company, and was a neighborhood watchman, defending himself and his neighborhood from a rash of burglaries that had taken place the past year. He spotted a lowlife black male thug casing houses, and then this black male thug sucker punched him in the face. Then he started bashing his head against the concrete. GZ did the only thing he could do, and defended himself from certain death.

LOL nice try though.

[zboy1]

This is really a terrible cause for people to support. Trayvon Martin was 17 but he was no "child", dude was around 6 feet tall and already an experienced street brawler who had been suspended from school 3 times before for violence. He was just an aggressive young man who start swinging on the wrong person. Zimmerman is a dumb shit wannabe cop but both of them are idiots who collided that day.

ROTFL You're seriously equating Trayvon with GZ? Get real.

Trayvon was a VIOLENT THUG, who was suspended for possession of stolen jewelry and a screwdriver in his backpack. Yeah, that's right: Trayvon was a lowlife. He skipped school, scrawled graffiti, and was a pothead. He had pot in his bloodstream when he died.

OTOH GZ worked for an insurance company, and was a neighborhood watchman, defending himself and his neighborhood from a rash of burglaries that had taken place the past year. He spotted a lowlife black male thug casing houses, and then this black male thug sucker punched him in the face. Then he started bashing his head against the concrete. GZ did the only thing he could do, and defended himself from certain death.

LOL nice try though.

George Zimmerman still acted like a vigilante, though. The cops told him not to follow Trayvon around, but he ignored their advice. He was wrong to do so. And I'm saying all this while supporting George Zimmerman during the trial. He was partly responsible for this whole mess...

[Cornfed]

George Zimmerman still acted like a vigilante, though. The cops told him not to follow Trayvon around, but he ignored their advice. He was wrong to do so. And I'm saying all this while supporting George Zimmerman during the trial. He was partly responsible for this whole mess...

I think GZ claimed he stopped following Martin around after the pig dispatcher told him he didn't have to and it was Martin who then approached him, but if not then so what? There is no reason people should have to kowtow to the pigs, and in any case they didn't explicitly tell him that he wasn't allowed to follow Martin.

[BigJmack]

This is really a terrible cause for people to support. Trayvon Martin was 17 but he was no "child", dude was around 6 feet tall and already an experienced street brawler who had been suspended from school 3 times before for violence. He was just an aggressive young man who start swinging on the wrong person. Zimmerman is a dumb shit wannabe cop but both of them are idiots who collided that day.

ROTFL You're seriously equating Trayvon with GZ? Get real.

Trayvon was a VIOLENT THUG, who was suspended for possession of stolen jewelry and a screwdriver in his backpack. Yeah, that's right: Trayvon was a lowlife. He skipped school, scrawled graffiti, and was a pothead. He had pot in his bloodstream when he died.

OTOH GZ worked for an insurance company, and was a neighborhood watchman, defending himself and his neighborhood from a rash of burglaries that had taken place the past year. He spotted a lowlife black male thug casing houses, and then this black male thug sucker punched him in the face. Then he started bashing his head against the concrete. GZ did the only thing he could do, and defended himself from certain death.

LOL nice try though.

George Zimmerman still acted like a vigilante, though. The cops told him not to follow Trayvon around, but he ignored their advice. He was wrong to do so. And I'm saying all this while supporting George Zimmerman during the trial. He was partly responsible for this whole mess...

George Zimmerman still acted like a vigilante, though. The cops told him not to follow Trayvon around, but he ignored their advice. He was wrong to do so. And I'm saying all this while supporting George Zimmerman during the trial. He was partly responsible for this whole mess...

What GZ should have done was to keep a safe distance between himself and Trayvon so that 1) Trayvon couldn't sucker punch him fast enough and 2) GZ could get enough time to pull out his gun and aim it at (or shoot) Trayvon.

He also should have ID'd himself as a neighborhood watchman.

Had he done either or both of the above Trayvon might still be alive today and GZ wouldn't have gone through hell.

But he wasn't legally obligated to do either nor was there anything illegal about leaving his car/truck. The police initially didn't even file charges against him, it was an open and shut case of self-defense.

[Moretorque]

The whole thing is nothing but a bunch of bullchit, this crap happens everyday all over the country. The real ? is why was a crime so common like made such a big deal. Who was behind pushing this to be a big deal? who has the power to make a common self defense murder a big deal like this and why would they do it.

Look people all around me are losing their homes , jobs and families and future generations are being buried in total debt and obligations they did not create with very little hope of a bright tomorrow.

Out of 320 million we are going to have some one on one homicides but all this is is a distraction from the real issues at hand like stabilizing our society so our children do not fall through the cracks like this. The first key to stabilizing the world is to make sure that when you bring them here you truly want them and respect what they offer us as a means of genetic immortality.

[Cornfed]

Here is Fred Reed's commentary on the case:
http://www.fredoneverything.net/Zim.shtml

And now Zimmerman is apparently going to sue NBC and perhaps other lame stream media outlets. I hope he really takes them to the cleaners.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/eri ... -nbc-news/

[Cornfed]

This guy is really funny:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sL2f0PoqME

[Teal Lantern]

This is really a terrible cause for people to support. Trayvon Martin was 17 but he was no "child", dude was around 6 feet tall and already an experienced street brawler who had been suspended from school 3 times before for violence. He was just an aggressive young man who start swinging on the wrong person. Zimmerman is a dumb shit wannabe cop but both of them are idiots who collided that day.

... and if Zimm's last name had been Gonzales or Lopez, this story wouldn't have made it out of local news.

[Repatriate]

ROTFL You're seriously equating Trayvon with GZ? Get real.

Trayvon was a VIOLENT THUG, who was suspended for possession of stolen jewelry and a screwdriver in his backpack. Yeah, that's right: Trayvon was a lowlife. He skipped school, scrawled graffiti, and was a pothead. He had pot in his bloodstream when he died.

I agree that he was a thug and a bit of a lowlife. Not quite on the degenerate level yet since he didn't serve time yet before turning 18 but he was getting there.

OTOH GZ worked for an insurance company, and was a neighborhood watchman, defending himself and his neighborhood from a rash of burglaries that had taken place the past year. He spotted a lowlife black male thug casing houses, and then this black male thug sucker punched him in the face. Then he started bashing his head against the concrete. GZ did the only thing he could do, and defended himself from certain death.

LOL nice try though.

Hold on a minute here. Zimmerman had numerous complaints filed against him for trying to be a wannabe cop on campus. His cousin also said she got diddled by him. Everything about this guy says weird power tripping tool. He just happened to meet another shithead that day but I don't look at him as some upstanding citizen. He's definitely a weirdo.


That's why I think advocacy on either side of this case is not worth the time or effort. Both of them were pieces of shit. I don't want to sound callous but if you were to flip a coin to decide which one lived or died it would have had the same impact on society. Both of them were a negative impact on society and are completely irrelevant.

Also it's embarrassing how liberal white America is pumping Trayvon Martin up. He's practically the black ghandi now.

[Moretorque]

This guy is really funny:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sL2f0PoqME

That's racism plain and simple.

[Moretorque]

This guy is really funny:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sL2f0PoqME

That's racism plain and simple, some of them are just so right.

[skateboardstephen]

This guy is really funny:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sL2f0PoqME

That's racism plain and simple, some of them are just so right.

[BigJmack]

ROTFL You're seriously equating Trayvon with GZ? Get real.

Trayvon was a VIOLENT THUG, who was suspended for possession of stolen jewelry and a screwdriver in his backpack. Yeah, that's right: Trayvon was a lowlife. He skipped school, scrawled graffiti, and was a pothead. He had pot in his bloodstream when he died.

I agree that he was a thug and a bit of a lowlife. Not quite on the degenerate level yet since he didn't serve time yet before turning 18 but he was getting there.

He was already there. Trayvon SHOULD have served time in jail, but didn't because his school failed to act responsibly. When he was caught with the stolen women's jewelry and screwdriver, he should have been turned over to the police and arrested. Instead, the school chose to regard this crime as a school matter and he got suspended for graffiti (he got caught scrawling 'WTF' on a school locker). Also, taking a swing at a bus driver qualifies as 'already there' in my book.

Hold on a minute here. Zimmerman had numerous complaints filed against him for trying to be a wannabe cop on campus. His cousin also said she got diddled by him.

LOL now you're really desperate. The liberal news media came out with that (surprise, surprise) right after GZ was arrested. They were eager to paint him as a racist murderer out to kill blacks, oh and he was a child molester to boot LOL.

Frankly I don't buy that story. It was all about smearing GZ and distracting people from the events that occurred that night between GZ and Trayvon. Funny, we haven't heard anything about this allegation ever since. Nice try again. Keep trying.

Everything about this guy says weird power tripping tool. He just happened to meet another shithead that day but I don't look at him as some upstanding citizen. He's definitely a weirdo.

That's why I think advocacy on either side of this case is not worth the time or effort.

Wrong. This case was about using firearms for self-defense against violent blacks. If GZ had been found guilty, it would have been much harder for any law abiding citizen in the future to stand his ground, and use firearms for self-defense against a violent black without being prosecuted like a criminal (actually the fight's not over, but that's for another topic). Now thugs like Trayvon will have 2nd thoughts when prowling the neighborhood. GZ acted lawfully and defended himself against a violent thug who was pounding his head against the concrete.

And I will agree that advocacy on either side wasn't worth the time or effort because this case NEVER should have been brought to trial in the first place. Race NEVER should have entered the picture. It was a clear cut case of self-defense, NOTHING more. But race baiters in the news media as well as Jackson and Sharpton made it about race, and demonized GZ as a child molester and cop wannabee. It's because Trayvon was black that we heard about this at all.

Both of them were pieces of shit. I don't want to sound callous but if you were to flip a coin to decide which one lived or died it would have had the same impact on society. Both of them were a negative impact on society and are completely irrelevant.

You can criticize him for not handling it right, but equating him with Trayvon is a typical white liberal move to avoid looking like a white liberal LOL

Like I said, GZ could have defused the situation if he had IDed himself as a neighborhood watchman or at least kept a safe distance from Trayvon so that Trayvon couldn't assault him as fast.

Despite that, I have NO problem with GZ keeping a close eye on Trayvon nor do I have a problem with GZ following him. Any responsible, law-abiding citizen watching out for his community would (or should) do the same. If that makes him an asshole or a shithead, so be it. He is still MILES ahead of Trayvon as far as character goes. As events turned out, GZ was fully justified in suspecting Trayvon as up to no good whether Trayvon was actually going to rob someone or not.

[BigJmack]

Good article on the Zimmerman verdict.


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 47030.html

OPINION
July 15, 2013, 7:12 p.m. ET

Jason Riley: Race, Politics and the Zimmerman Trial
The left wants to blame black criminality on racial animus and 'the system,' but blacks have long been part of running that system.

By
JASON L. RILEY

George Zimmerman's acquittal of murder charges in a Florida court has been followed by predictable calls for America to have a "national conversation" about this or that aspect of the case. President Obama wants to talk about gun control. Civil-rights leaders want to talk about racial profiling. Others want to discuss how the American criminal justice system supposedly targets black men.

All of which is fine. Just don't expect these conversations to be especially illuminating or honest. Liberals in general, and the black left in particular, like the idea of talking about racial problems, but in practice they typically ignore the most relevant aspects of any such discussion.
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Political Diary editor Jason Riley on why black civil rights leaders focus on white racism instead of personal responsibility. Photo: Getty Images

Any candid debate on race and criminality in this country would have to start with the fact that blacks commit an astoundingly disproportionate number of crimes. African-Americans constitute about 13% of the population, yet between 1976 and 2005 blacks committed more than half of all murders in the U.S. The black arrest rate for most offenses—including robbery, aggravated assault and property crimes—is typically two to three times their representation in the population. The U.S. criminal-justice system, which currently is headed by one black man (Attorney General Eric Holder) who reports to another (President Obama), is a reflection of this reality, not its cause.

"High rates of black violence in the late twentieth century are a matter of historical fact, not bigoted imagination," wrote the late Harvard Law professor William Stuntz in "The Collapse of American Criminal Justice." "The trends reached their peak not in the land of Jim Crow but in the more civilized North, and not in the age of segregation but in the decades that saw the rise of civil rights for African Americans—and of African American control of city governments."

The left wants to blame these outcomes on racial animus and "the system," but blacks have long been part of running that system. Black crime and incarceration rates spiked in the 1970s and '80s in cities such as Cleveland, Detroit, Chicago and Philadelphia, under black mayors and black police chiefs. Some of the most violent cities in the U.S. today are run by blacks.

About 500 other demonstrators during a rally and march in support of Trayvon Martin in Birmingham, Ala., on July 15.

The jury's only job in the Zimmerman trial was to determine whether the defendant broke the law when he shot and killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin last year in a gated community near Orlando, Fla. In cases of self-defense, it doesn't matter who initiated the confrontation; whether Mr. Zimmerman singled out Martin because he was a black youngster in a neighborhood where there had been a series of burglaries by black youngsters; or whether Mr. Zimmerman disregarded what the police dispatcher told him before he got out of his car. Nor does it matter that Martin was unarmed and minding his own business when Mr. Zimmerman approached.

All that really mattered in that courtroom is whether Mr. Zimmerman reasonably believed that his life was in danger when he pulled the trigger. Critics of the verdict might not like the statutes that allowed for this outcome, but the proper response would not have been for the jury to ignore them and convict.

Did the perception of black criminality play a role in Martin's death? We may never know for certain, but we do know that those negative perceptions of young black men are rooted in hard data on who commits crimes. We also know that young black men will not change how they are perceived until they change how they behave.

The homicide rate claiming black victims today is seven times that of whites, and the George Zimmermans of the world are not the reason. Some 90% of black murder victims are killed by other blacks.

So let's have our discussions, even if the only one that really needs to occur is within the black community. Civil-rights leaders today choose to keep the focus on white racism instead of personal responsibility, but their predecessors knew better.

"Do you know that Negroes are 10 percent of the population of St. Louis and are responsible for 58% of its crimes? We've got to face that. And we've got to do something about our moral standards," Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. told a congregation in 1961. "We know that there are many things wrong in the white world, but there are many things wrong in the black world, too. We can't keep on blaming the white man. There are things we must do for ourselves."

Mr. Riley is a member of the Journal's editorial board.

A version of this article appeared July 16, 2013, on page A15 in the U.S. edition of The Wall Street Journal, with the headline: Race, Politics and the Zimmerman Trial.

[Moretorque]

I have read the statistics on the blacks and in no way can you have a modern functioning open republic that goes forward as a collective as the Fore Fathers intended with that kind of behavior.

Our rulers know this and are trying to lock the country down because they have all the info and statistics themselves and know America is going to and will collapse and spiral into anarchy.

Our ancestors brought the Africans over, so as they say in the bible the sins of thy father will visit thy sons and daughters.

One major positive # coming out statistically as of late has been the blacks are slowing down on having children and this is great news to try and stabilize the country.