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The Sugar Baby Culture - A Revelation

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Re: The Sugar Baby Culture - A Revelation

Post by MrMan » December 7th, 2017, 11:03 am

Contrarian Expatriate wrote:
December 6th, 2017, 5:41 pm
If I disagree with your lifestyle on the forum, that doesn't mean I'm 'hating on' you.

But if you followed your own advice in that quote above, would you have much left to post about? It's not consistent with your anti-marriage stance.
So is that why you be 'hating on' me? You keep up with your disingenuous projections. I find your philosophy extreme and potentially harmful. I'm not envious of you. If I wanted to go spend money and pay for girls to spend time with me or even hire prostitutes, I could hire a lot of them. There is no reason to be envious of that. Any ol' middle class Jabba the Hutt type could do that. That's immoral and not something I'd want to do.

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Re: The Sugar Baby Culture - A Revelation

Post by Contrarian Expatriate » December 7th, 2017, 4:02 pm

MrMan wrote:
December 7th, 2017, 11:03 am
Contrarian Expatriate wrote:
December 6th, 2017, 5:41 pm
If I disagree with your lifestyle on the forum, that doesn't mean I'm 'hating on' you.

But if you followed your own advice in that quote above, would you have much left to post about? It's not consistent with your anti-marriage stance.
So is that why you be 'hating on' me? You keep up with your disingenuous projections. I find your philosophy extreme and potentially harmful. I'm not envious of you. If I wanted to go spend money and pay for girls to spend time with me or even hire prostitutes, I could hire a lot of them. There is no reason to be envious of that. Any ol' middle class Jabba the Hutt type could do that. That's immoral and not something I'd want to do.
Delusion much?
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Re: The Sugar Baby Culture - A Revelation

Post by OutWest » December 7th, 2017, 5:02 pm

MrMan wrote:
December 7th, 2017, 11:03 am
Contrarian Expatriate wrote:
December 6th, 2017, 5:41 pm
If I disagree with your lifestyle on the forum, that doesn't mean I'm 'hating on' you.

But if you followed your own advice in that quote above, would you have much left to post about? It's not consistent with your anti-marriage stance.
So is that why you be 'hating on' me? You keep up with your disingenuous projections. I find your philosophy extreme and potentially harmful. I'm not envious of you. If I wanted to go spend money and pay for girls to spend time with me or even hire prostitutes, I could hire a lot of them. There is no reason to be envious of that. Any ol' middle class Jabba the Hutt type could do that. That's immoral and not something I'd want to do.
If you do not think that marriage in America is problematic, you are delusional or not paying attention.
I would liken sugar babies to concubines. You come across posturing with moral superiority while digging with insults. Jabba the Hutt? Really? I think many marriages in America end up being about the money. Specifically, about your lively bride taking it when she divorces you.
In business, only a fool would enter into a business partnership as one sided as marriage in America. Imagine, you and I go into a business partnership, and if it does not work out, I get all your stuff.

In America. Marriage has become a tool.of government power. Most women are bigamists. They are married to the government already. If you dont think this is true, watch who she runs to at the first sign of trouble. Yes, to her first love. "I promise to love, honor and obey the government till death does us part."

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Re: The Sugar Baby Culture - A Revelation

Post by MrMan » December 8th, 2017, 1:55 am

OutWest wrote:
December 7th, 2017, 5:02 pm
If you do not think that marriage in America is problematic, you are delusional or not paying attention.
You probably haven't read a lot of my posts. I really the family law system is messed up. There are states with their own laws, but by and large, if not entirely, I believe it is biased against men, at least in its implementation. I think a minority of American women would make acceptable wives. A large percentage of the population has been divorced, but a large percentage hasn't.

As far as my personal situation goes. I do not live in the US, or in the Anglosphere. I am abroad right now. I don't know if I'm 'happier abroad' since i can be happy in the US, too, if I go there. My wife is Indonesian from a people-group where women are trained to be diligent around the home and also support the family if the need calls for it. (I work full-time. She's got a few irons in the fire--different projects, and takes care of a lot of the issues with the kids, manages the maids, and takes care of other household issues.)
I would liken sugar babies to concubines.
There are different kinds of concubines. For Hebrews, concubines were slaves raised to the status of wives. For Romans, they seemed to be more like mistresses. Turkish emperors had a harem full of slave women who were probably competing with each other for the sultan's body to produce the first son and heir. But it must have been a bitter life when their sons killed each other off when they were older, all but one.
You come across posturing with moral superiority while digging with insults. Jabba the Hutt? Really?
That's the nature of going back and forth with CE. He's against nearly all marriage, though his arguments break down out of the Anglosphere and Europe. He resorts to insults when others disagree. Btw, I didn't say you guys looked like Jabba the Hutt, CE has bragged about his looks. But you don't have to be good-looking to pay for sex or even attract a gold digger.

In America. Marriage has become a tool.of government power. Most women are bigamists. They are married to the government already. If you dont think this is true, watch who she runs to at the first sign of trouble. Yes, to her first love. "I promise to love, honor and obey the government till death does us part."
I think as many men would take the free money if they could get it as easily. The marriage you are talking about appears to be one-sided, with women getting and not giving back much to the government. Of course, not all women, even divorced women, are on welfare.

Divorce is generally a value-destroying proposition. Women who decide to opt for it may have a couple of safety nets, the potential to bleed the man dry in court, and the safety net of government assistance. These may present perverse financial incentives for divorce. But many of them end up poorer if they divorce than if they had not. So it is economically irrational from that perspective, though they may perceive that there is some utility in their independence and the ability to find another [s]chump[/s] [s]victim[/s] partner.

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Re: The Sugar Baby Culture - A Revelation

Post by Contrarian Expatriate » December 8th, 2017, 4:11 am

MrMan wrote:
December 8th, 2017, 1:55 am
That's the nature of going back and forth with CE. He's against nearly all marriage, though his arguments break down out of the Anglosphere and Europe. He resorts to insults when others disagree. Btw, I didn't say you guys looked like Jabba the Hutt, CE has bragged about his looks. But you don't have to be good-looking to pay for sex or even attract a gold digger.
Not sure why you are so obsessed with me Mr Man. Perhaps it is because I tell you the unpleasant truth about yourself and your marriage. But what I am sure about you is.....

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Re: The Sugar Baby Culture - A Revelation

Post by MrMan » December 8th, 2017, 8:03 am

Contrarian Expatriate wrote:
December 8th, 2017, 4:11 am
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So are you saying that's your self portrait? I figured you didn't look like Morpheus.

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Re: The Sugar Baby Culture - A Revelation

Post by Contrarian Expatriate » December 8th, 2017, 9:04 am

MrMan wrote:
December 8th, 2017, 8:03 am
Contrarian Expatriate wrote:
December 8th, 2017, 4:11 am
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So are you saying that's your self portrait? I figured you didn't look like Morpheus.
It's pretty clear now that your feelings have been hurt so badly to the point where your usefulness to me has run out and you're serving only as a disruption to important discussions for men.

I'm placing you in my ignore list. Now you can post to your heart's content about your marital bliss and how your marriage to a former prostitute in Indonesia is so great that other men should follow your lead.

In addition, your fake moralism about how other men's sex lives, lifestyles, and positive attributes belies the misery and hatred you have for your own life as a trapped, pathetic, married, cuck with a wife he can barely stand. You said yourself that one of the best things she does for you is set your social calendar which means she drags you around like a lifeless rag doll :lol:

My advice to you would be divorce your wife and begin to live the life that you forwent when you married as a pathetic virgin (which you admitted). My personal view is that you might not have been so pathetic then, but you have certainly become so as a cuck whose children very likely belong to another man.

Good luck, Cuck 8)
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Re: The Sugar Baby Culture - A Revelation

Post by MrMan » December 8th, 2017, 9:48 am

It's probably best I am on your ignore list, you lying slanderer. If you are still reading, you should know about the legal system to know that those proven to have called a woman a non-virgin can be held liable even if the other party has not been held up for public ridicule it's assumed. And my wife was a virgin when I married her.

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Re: The Sugar Baby Culture - A Revelation

Post by Contrarian Expatriate » December 16th, 2017, 8:48 pm

Exactly what he says.....

http://www.businessinsider.com/sugar-da ... nt-2017-11

After Business Insider published a story about how some college students are becoming "sugar babies" to help pay for college, we heard from several "sugar daddies" who said there was more to it. One reader wrote to us about his "sugar dating" experience.

This reader works in tech in Silicon Valley, and has an income "well over $250,000" and a net worth "well over $1.5 million." He is in his mid-60s.

His account, edited for clarity, is below, and he remains anonymous for privacy purposes.

Outsiders tend to equate being a sugar baby with prostitution, but that's not how I see it.

To me, sugar dating is more like an arranged temporary marriage where you do your own arranging.

A prostitute not only offers sex acts for money and sees multiple men a day, but that's how she makes her living. A sugar baby wants an ongoing relationship. She wants a guy who she can get along with. She wants what a girlfriend or wife might get if they found a well-off man. She has a job that mostly pays her bills, but she is looking to improve her lifestyle. And she does not talk about sex for money.

But most of them know if the arrangement is going to continue past the first date they have to make like a girlfriend and become intimate.

I've been a sugar daddy for more than a decade
I've had an account on SeekingArrangement.com since 2006, but I also tried Sugardaddyforme.com and was on Craigslist Erotic Services for years before that section was closed down.

I have met countless women from these sites. I talk with them and hear their stories. I've seen some of the women for years and others were just one time and some in-between.

The picture the advertisements paint of a hot, young college girl meeting a rich guy who pays them to look pretty while eating dinner and traveling places is mostly fake. Women read the stories and try to get that easy gig, but it's not really there.

The women I meet are everyday people. They have jobs and an otherwise regular life. You'd never know they are a sugar baby. In fact, most women keep the whole thing quiet and, at most, discuss it with one girlfriend who is doing the same thing and maybe taught them the gig.

Most women only last a couple of weeks as a sugar baby, often because they get tired of getting weird propositions from creepy men who don't actually have the money to help them out. I treat sugar babies like regular people and figure out what they are up for and go with that.

The typical sugar baby has a goal, like saving up for a car, taking a trip, or getting a new apartment. She is likely in-between boyfriends, or just broke up with a boyfriend, or she's divorced and doesn't want dating drama. Some of them like that an older guy with money fancies them. Older women who have been married expect things, while sugar babies are grateful to get them.

It's like having a girlfriend — but I'll never get married
For three years now, I have been seeing one sugar baby. She's half my age but our relationship is like boyfriend and girlfriend.

As a sugar daddy, you are in the honeymoon stage most of the time — you get treated well, you get lots of romantic evenings and you are seen as a savior of the women in distress and the facilitator of her better lifestyle.

I have gone on vacations with some women and given some women extra money, but that's after I get to know them well. I've had women ask for money just for dinner, but I don't go for that. Why would I? I've had women ask for money up front or for a large allowance, but no thanks to that either. There are nice girls on sugar baby dating sites who are just looking for some help with their bills, but there are a lot of scammers, too.

Student loans are a problem for many younger sugar babies though, and there's no doubt many come to the site for cash to make their monthly payment. I've met two active college girls over the years, one who went to Berkeley and one who went to UC Davis.

Like all of the sugar babies I've interacted with, I gave them a per-visit donation of $200 to $300, plus dinner, gifts, and outings. But I know that very good looking college girls ask for $500 to $600, and some of them get it.

A guy has to be careful of who he is dealing with — many will tell you that they are a college girl when they obviously are not. The first thing I do when contacting someone is get their email and phone number and Google it. They often show up on Facebook, but sometimes on escort sites.

Once I get to know a woman, I might spend $1,000 to $2,000 a month, with dinners, vacations, and shopping on top of that. Some women ask for $5,000 to $10,000 a month, but I'd be surprised if they get that — unless they got lucky and met a millionaire from Manhattan.

My current sugar baby has a good job where she makes about $45,000 a year, but she couldn't afford an apartment without a roommate. Thanks to me she now lives in a one bedroom condo on her own and is happy. I have also taken her to Europe three times and she was thrilled.

I would never get married given the no-contest divorce laws in California and the courts that favor the woman. I have friends who lost their retirement savings late in life due to a wife who got tired of the marriage and took the house and bank account and then found a boyfriend who did her bidding.

My own brother has had a long divorce and custody battle. In fact, he's spent much more on divorce lawyers over the years than I have on sugar babies.

I'm having fun and I can still afford to retire.

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Re: The Sugar Baby Culture - A Revelation

Post by slazenger » January 25th, 2018, 12:55 am

I think the sugar baby/daddy routine is just fine as long as both parties are getting what they want out of it. Regarding the various websites... I have no good idea on their efficacy.

I find Tinder to be pretty effective in Colombia (totally ineffective when I lived in the US). I've met some stunning Colombian women on Tinder. I'm in my early-50s and these women are typically in their 30s. If things move along I try to "help" them in moderation with things they might need - think laptop, furniture, phone, education fees, stuff like that - but I make it clear that these are gifts and there's no quid pro quo; they don't owe me sex or anything else. The problem with straightforward prostitution - in which I've partaken, to be clear - is that the sex is generally pretty bad. Sure, the girls might be pretty hot (and I'm pretty picky)... but the actual act is generally sub-par and not at all worth it. That's been my experience, anyhow.

So, I've tried to find a middle ground. I don't want a wife (I've been married - in the relationship for 10 years) and I don't want a prostitute. (Nothing wrong with either, to be clear, but they have different sets of issues that I personally don't want to deal with.) I want to date hot mentally-stable women that are somewhat self-sufficient but might need a little help with things here and there and basically allow me to dictate the manner in which I help them. But, ultimately, if they're not attracted to me outside of my resources, it ain't gonna work. The resources should be the lubricant of the relationship, not the foundation. I could date women just as hot as these latinas in the US, but... the amount of time and money I'd have to dedicate to the cause would increase by a factor of 10. It's just not worth it to me - way too much hassle.

As my grandfather used to say, "There ain't much romance without finance." Any married man that looks down on prostitution (or any similar arrangement) should ask himself if his wife would stay with him if he lost his job or became impaired to the degree he couldn't work (or whether she would've married him in the first place without some expectation of resources/support). That's a rhetorical question; in the vast majority of cases, she wouldn't. Despite what we see in movies, it's quite rare that a woman's love is truly unconditional. And nor should it be. If a man's honest with himself he'll see a very fine line between many marriages and prostitution when the relationship is really analyzed under a microscope.
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Re: The Sugar Baby Culture - A Revelation

Post by Master » April 7th, 2018, 5:27 am

Contrarian Expatriate wrote: Here is where I disagree with you. I view these women a predators prey on weak and desperate and often misguided men who sometimes get duped out of thousands of dollars by these women. I might casually part with $50 and the dinner bill, but I can smell a scam a mile away. The manipulative sob stories about stolen wallets, due rent, and sick mothers NEVER work with me, but they often work on other men. It is therefore high time that we change the narrative to sugaring women, strippers, and sex workers being the exploiters and the men being the exploited, not the other way around. For this reason, I have no sympathy for any ill experience or harm that befalls a woman who chooses this lifestyle. I simply do not care.

Those stories usually work on men that know they are being scammed but dont care as long as they get pun. Misguided thinking that croutch is worth a damn.

Glad to know your not one of the suckas.

On the contrary, I vote for men to turn the tables on this hoes for they have it coming and they have zero sympathy for the men they exploit.

For example ive seen young 20 year olds exploit desperate deluded men over 60's strip them to the last dime without giving a damn with a pyramid of lies and then give it to the young lover.

Contrarian Expatriate wrote: I have no such regard for Western women, especially American ones. The woman I respect in the manner you described lives in Eastern Europe and is on a different level entirely than these voracious money-grubbers who are fun to pass the time with.
Makes much more sense. In volumes its much more likely for you to find quality in the EE rather than fat tart walmart whores.

Contrarian Expatriate wrote: Not a problem. We are all men here and should be able to take the heat of legitimate criticism and jeering without running for cover. There are some men who agree with me here and some who do not. I guarantee that some of those who do not will come to do so in due time under the right circumstances. The important thing is that different approaches are expressed on this forum so members can pick and choose. And so long as some of my jeering mockers are registering to try Sugar Daddying sites (though they would never admit it), my mission is complete.


The problem is that the sugar daddy culture is full of vultures, desperate pitiful men, and corruption. You are promoting it as if its some sort of fun but your leading them in the wrong direction. You mightve had luck. But many men will be victimized and used as with young desperate misguided women. Neither finding love, satisfaction, or a happy ending. An old men is never going to give a young woman the rump of her life. Young women are not going to be able to fulfill the emotional need of an older man or be able to connect deeply like a counter part of his generation would. Of course this might be seen as a threat by coming from a young buck I can see it being disapproved by the older folks but you cant deny logic and what goes in its place. Disrupting the natural order out of vanity does has its consequences so dont be surprised when the younger girl has another young lover and leaves you when she has wiped out your bank account or when you feel out of place and cant connect with a young woman. When you cant keep up with her sexually or you have different interests in conversation and feel unfulfilled by her limited capacities. When you feel your constantly looking over your shoulder because your girl is constantly being looked at and hit on making you wonder when is it going to be when she decides its time to jump the gun.
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Re: The Sugar Baby Culture - A Revelation

Post by xtravel » April 11th, 2018, 6:50 am

MrMan wrote:
December 5th, 2017, 12:32 pm
No, I'm saying it's close to prostitution, if not outright prostitution, because it's paying a woman to have sex.

Outright paying a young woman to date you is kind of pitiful. You have a very bizaar world view from my perspective, to defend paying a girl to go out with you and have sex with you, and then look down on people who get married.
There's some irony. And getting married isn't prostitution?

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Re: The Sugar Baby Culture - A Revelation

Post by MrMan » April 11th, 2018, 12:09 pm

xtravel wrote:
April 11th, 2018, 6:50 am
There's some irony. And getting married isn't prostitution?
Of course not. If two people are not married it is by definition not prostitution.

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Re: The Sugar Baby Culture - A Revelation

Post by Mr Natural » April 14th, 2018, 11:53 pm

Master wrote:
April 7th, 2018, 5:27 am
An old men is never going to give a young woman the rump of her life.
Maybe true in many cases but not always. Sometimes the older more knowledgeable experienced guy can make her feel better than any young boy like you. But hey, believe what you want.
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Re: The Sugar Baby Culture - A Revelation

Post by Master » April 18th, 2018, 3:57 am

Bring your young piece of meat and I'll show you.

I see you have an old geezer avatar with the oldest beard. Ive met gold diggers plenty. They tell me all the time they're with a sugar daddy out of need but when it comes passion she wants a young boy. The only experience an old fart can give a young piece of ass is a trip to the ER. Wrinkle balls will never give a young fox that orgasm glow.
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