momopi wrote: ↑October 12th, 2018, 2:45 pm
Winston wrote: ↑October 11th, 2018, 5:57 am
momopi wrote: ↑May 31st, 2011, 12:01 pm
Winston wrote:Is it true that animals in the wild don't get cancer unless they live with humans? If so, that says a lot doesn't it? What about the claim that people in the wild who never eat processed foods never get tooth decay? How come animals don't get tooth decay?
Animals in the wild have shorter lifespans. They're usually killed and eaten before they get old enough to develop or die from cancer. Animals that are ill, weak, slow, etc. get picked off by predators first.
i.e. Outdoor cats have very high infant (kitten?) mortality rate, and those that make it to adults live for 1.5 to 4 years on average. Indoor cats can live for 10-15 years, but
are at higher risk of mouth cancer from second hand smoking, because they lick their furs.
But that doesn't answer my initial question. What about animals in the wild that don't get killed or are at the top of the food chain? How do they’re usually die? Not from cancer right? How come only domesticated pets get cancer? How come the Amish, Eskimos and Hunza tribes don't get cancer after being separated from the modern western world? How come I hear that unvaccinated people never get cancer either
Truth seekers should ask such important questions like that.
Why can't you admit that obvious - that something in modern life and food and toxins cause cancer, which is not natural? Why do you feel the need to defend the establishment in every post, and assume that government never lies and never covers up anything?
1. You either did not read, or understand my response.
2. Wild animals do get cancer. Even elephants, which carry 20 times of the tumor suppression genes (p53/tp53) than humans, have 4.8% mortality rate to cancer.
3. It’s almost mid October. When are you planning to go to Europe? (If Europe is not your primary goal, please provide your primary goal).
I did read your response. You dodged the question. Don't you see that above? It's plain for all to see. Sometimes I wonder if you have a problem with basic English comprehension or if you like to play games and be sarcastic. Data from Star Trek would never do that, he's logical. Why can't you be like him? lol. Asian Americans are supposed to have Spockian logic. lol
Ok now you say that animals in the wild do get cancer. How do you know? Can you show me neutral unbiased sources that claim that?
Are you talking about elephants in wild Africa with no humans around and no pollution or toxins around? Or elephants in the zoo?
Do squirrels and birds out in the wild get cancer?
How come Eskimos and Amish and Hunza tribes do not get cancer? Did you see my question about that above?
Please keep in mind that government sources DO LIE more than you think. The Sloan Kettering case above is one example of that, which is obvious and well proven. There are many other examples I'm sure. So don't be fooled into thinking that everyone and all sources are honest.
You also didn't answer my other question. Why do you believe that government and official authority never lies? Can you give a list of reasons why you believe that? I have yet to see any establishment defender, such as you or Michael Shermer or MIchio Kaku or Paul Kurtz or CSICOP, etc. give a list of strong logical reasons why authority is always right and honest and only those who oppose the establishment are wrong and "crazy conspiracy theorists" etc.
I know that asking a typical Asian such a question, is like asking an ant or bee to give a list of reasons why their queen ant or queen bee is never wrong, since it goes against their DNA and programming to answer such a question, so they cannot. But you should be smarter than a typical Asian right? Or am I wrong?
As to question #3, dude come on. Don't use every thread to ask me that question. It's off topic here. I didn't appoint you to be my life coach. I wouldn't appoint an atheist who doesn't understand me and doesn't understand my deep angst or problem of getting distracted easily, to be my coach or mentor. Why don't you call my parents and ask them to stop wasting my time? They are dragging this out and wasting my time, and plus I keep getting distracted too. Every time I get sidetracked by one of my hobbies and interests, I think it's just for a day, but it turns into weeks and months and then years. And my environment seems to want to f***ing annoy me too. The f***ing phone keeps ringing off the hook here. I can't even finish typing this f***ing post without the phone ringing constantly for no reason and making me yell and cuss. The phone ringing sound must have been designed to annoy sensitive spiritual types of people the most. I find it the worst sound of all. I am super sensitive to sudden noises, but the typical phone ring has got to be the worst and most nerve wracking of all! f**k man! I never seen it ring off the hook like it does here in Vegas. Sometimes no one is there, the call just hangs up and is there just to annoy me. f**k! It's like everything wants to f***ing annoy me! f**k man! The environment seems timed against me.
Plus I feel tired and drowsy a lot when I'm in Vegas around so many strip malls and concrete and soulless closed people. So my sleep keeps getting f***ed up too. I didn't finish my errands here in Vegas until recently. Now we can do the road trip I planned back in July and also last year. But since so much has been distracting and delaying me, it's hard to get moving again. I have no f***ing control over my life and keep wasting months! f**k man! How the f**k does anyone get anything done? I cannot f***ing control my schedule and my parents are now slow and lazy to move. I been waiting months for them to take this road trip since July but my schedule keeps getting f***ed up man! Why you f***ing annoying me about it? f**k MAN! EVERY TIME I THINK ABOUT IT I"M f***ing PISSED AND ANGRY! f**k! HOW THE f**k DO YOU GET CONTROL OF YOUR LIFE AND ELIMINATE DISTRACTIONS THAT KEEP BUGGING THE f**k OUT OF ME!
I know you don't believe that the universe or invisible forces are against me, but that doesn't make it any less untrue. You see, I hate talking to atheists. They never understand me. That's why I don't pick people like you to be my coach or mentor. In the end, atheists and I are like oil and water, we argue endlessly until we both get annoyed of each other. That's why I stay away from them from now on. My other atheist friends have all gotten on my nerves and pissed me off with their stupidity and obstinance. I've had it with them. Enough. They always try to bring me down to their level and believe in a non-spiritual godless universe governed by chance. But I know for a fact that they are wrong. But they don't listen. I'm not gonna waste my time arguing that 2+2=4 to someone who keeps arguing the opposite all day and waste hours of my time. I had enough of that already.