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Vegetarians are healthier and live longer than meat eaters?

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Vegetarians are healthier and live longer than meat eaters?

Post by Winston » October 21st, 2018, 2:47 am

Check this out. Apparently, establishment studies claim that vegetarians on the average live 6 to 9 years longer than meat eaters do, and have less cancer and heart disease too. But it may be because they are more health conscious types, not because they don't eat meat. It's not clear which is the case or why.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/1 ... 61967.html

https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying- ... vegetarian

https://qz.com/91123/vegetarians-live-l ... -eat-meat/
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Re: Vegetarians live longer and have less cancer and heart disease than meat eaters

Post by flowerthief00 » October 21st, 2018, 6:56 am

Why wouldn't vegetarians live longer than carnivores? The latter frickin' eats flesh with all the toxins and disgusting stuff that's in it.

All nutrition ultimately comes from plants. Eat those plants directly instead of filtering their nutrients through the sick corpses of your fellow earthlings who you have to enslave/torture/kill in order to extract shit from and of course you will be better off. You will be better off physically, not to mention you will straight up be a better person. Why all this isn't common sense to everyone I'll never understand.

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Re: Vegetarians are healthier and live longer than meat eaters?

Post by Winston » August 10th, 2019, 12:52 pm

Oxford study shows that vegetarians are healthier and have less heart problems than meat eaters.

https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/9 ... 3bf07f1565

Why and how to be vegetarian

http://www.langeasy.com/veg/en/veg.html
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Re: Vegetarians are healthier and live longer than meat eaters?

Post by Winston » August 10th, 2019, 12:59 pm

British study links vegetarianism to higher IQ.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6180753.stm
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Re: Vegetarians are healthier and live longer than meat eaters?

Post by flowerthief00 » August 10th, 2019, 9:29 pm

I did NOT know about the link to higher IQ!

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Re: Vegetarians are healthier and live longer than meat eaters?

Post by HouseMD » August 11th, 2019, 5:27 pm

Smarter people tend to be more health conscious and future oriented, as well as tending to make more money. Vegetarian diets are undoubtedly healthier, but meat in moderation would very likely lead to the best mix of longevity and quality of life. Would you rather live to 100 eating cardboard or feast and die at 75? I value quality over quantity myself.

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Re: Vegetarians are healthier and live longer than meat eaters?

Post by flowerthief00 » August 11th, 2019, 8:23 pm

HouseMD wrote:
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Smarter people tend to be more health conscious and future oriented, as well as tending to make more money. Vegetarian diets are undoubtedly healthier, but meat in moderation would very likely lead to the best mix of longevity and quality of life. Would you rather live to 100 eating cardboard or feast and die at 75? I value quality over quantity myself.
I also value quality over quantity and I'm vegan. If you are suggesting that plant-based food is lacking in quality somehow I must disagree.

Besides that, from an environmental or ethical angle, "meat in moderation" isn't cutting it when it's taking 1.5 to 2 earths to sustain our "moderation".

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Post by Winston » August 14th, 2019, 12:49 am

Besides the health benefits and the ethics of cruelty free eating and factory farming, mentioned above, there are deeper reasons to be vegetarian or vegan too.

You see, when you eat meat it lowers your spiritual level and consciousness level too, as well as your creativity and connection to the divine and cosmos. Artists and writers know this, thats why they do their best work when they stop eating meat.

I too noticed that when i ate meat i had no thoughts or ideas to put down on paper. I was almost like a typical Asian in that sense, i couldnt think or formulate my own ideas, theories or even opinions. I was like an animal, instinct driven. Im addition i had less peace of mind and was not able to detach or let go of anything. Especially negative emotions and thoughts.

It was only after becoming vegetarian that i could think deeply and clearly and write well and express myself well. As if the doors of creativity were opened from higher dimensions or levels of consciousness. I also had more peace of mind as well and ability to control my mind better.

In addition, not eating meat gives you better karma too. You get bonus protection from the universe and higher forces for your cruelty free living, which meat eaters do not get. Less violence befalls you too. Animals also like you more when you're a vegetarian, as they can sense those who dont eat them.

Chinese Buddhists also claim that being vegetarian will reduce you having unusual and unexplainable physical pains too, which in my experience seems to be true. There are Chinese cartoons on YouTube made by Pureland Buddhists that teach this karmic lesson about eating meat too. They seem to imply that the spirits of the dead animals you eat will haunt you and give you nightmares and physical ailments and illnesses and afflictions too. Scary stuff.

Anyone who sees documentaries like "Diet for a New America" and "Earthlings" will become vegetarian and stop eating meat. I dare you all to see them.

However, being a vegetarian or vegan is not for everyone. It takes a certain type of consciousness or mental switch. I think you gotta be more connected to nature or the universe deep down inside your soul, in order to make the switch. The average instinct-driven lower consciousness person cannot do it yet. It takes a certain frequency of consciousness or vibration to be attuned to veganism or vegetarianism.
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Re: Vegetarians are healthier and live longer than meat eaters?

Post by HouseMD » August 14th, 2019, 10:54 am

flowerthief00 wrote:
August 11th, 2019, 8:23 pm
HouseMD wrote:
August 11th, 2019, 5:27 pm
Smarter people tend to be more health conscious and future oriented, as well as tending to make more money. Vegetarian diets are undoubtedly healthier, but meat in moderation would very likely lead to the best mix of longevity and quality of life. Would you rather live to 100 eating cardboard or feast and die at 75? I value quality over quantity myself.
I also value quality over quantity and I'm vegan. If you are suggesting that plant-based food is lacking in quality somehow I must disagree.

Besides that, from an environmental or ethical angle, "meat in moderation" isn't cutting it when it's taking 1.5 to 2 earths to sustain our "moderation".
I prefer meat based dishes, and my personal preferences mean that my particular quality of life would be reduced. As to these sustainability arguments, they're generally being made by elites as justification for why they want to make certain changes to the world, so I view them with a high degree of skepticism.

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Re: Vegetarians are healthier and live longer than meat eaters?

Post by Cornfed » August 14th, 2019, 12:01 pm

Here, as so often, Ed Dutton gives the good word:


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Re: Vegetarians are healthier and live longer than meat eaters?

Post by Winston » August 16th, 2019, 2:38 pm

Ed Dutton is such a hateful dweeb. So all vegans/vegetarians are neurotic, mentally unstable and mentally ill? And he picks the most extreme examples to paint all of them with a broad brush? He never even uses the word "spiritual" once. What about people who become vegetarians for spiritual or ethical reasons? They don't exist because Dutton doesn't want them to? That's a huge narrow logic fallacy. He is probably a Richard Dawkins/CSICOP loving, card carrying Atheist who doesn't know anything and doesn't consider anything outside of his little box. What about all my reasons listed above? He never mentions them. What a friggin idiot. Low IQ guy.

Why doesn't Ed even take into account all the people who have been helped by vegetarianism? Because he's stupid?! What about spiritual people like Gandhi? They aren't doing it out a fad or to gain an edge. They are merely following their beliefs. Why are men like Ed and his zombie followers here too stupid to not understand something so simple? Are they retarded and low IQ?
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Re: Vegetarians are healthier and live longer than meat eaters?

Post by Moretorque » August 16th, 2019, 6:06 pm

I cut my meat way down, from my reading a good meat source is hard to beat for health in some ways... 75 or 80 percent plant and 25 meat.
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Re: Vegetarians are healthier and live longer than meat eaters?

Post by flowerthief00 » August 18th, 2019, 2:13 am

Ed Dutton spent the whole video talking about (in his view) who vegans are, not what vegans say. In other words, the entire thing is an ad hominem which can and should be dismissed.
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August 14th, 2019, 10:54 am
I prefer meat based dishes, and my personal preferences mean that my particular quality of life would be reduced. As to these sustainability arguments, they're generally being made by elites as justification for why they want to make certain changes to the world, so I view them with a high degree of skepticism.
All right, but if personal preference is all that matters for quality of life with no other considerations, we can't deny that a cannibal with a preference for human flesh should achieve the best quality of life for himself by eating humans.

Certainly there are those who will use the facts about sustainability as a lever to gain power for themselves, but that doesn't mean the facts aren't real.

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